Tancredo Boycotts Univision Debate, says it's "un-American"

[SamLowrey]

Tancredo's comment here sounds like common sense to me. I doubt anything can rip a country apart more quickly than groups/factions/regions separated by language. I know George Washington did not trust Dutch settlers who refused to speak English. That is good enough for me.

With the borders as wide open as they are right now and America's current situation in the world pecking order, I think we need a moratorium on legal immigration is a good thing. Secure the border and take a step back to examine the rationale of allowing immigration in the first place.

Even a country as big as this has limited resources. Can we handle 250 million immigrants from India and China over the next ten years? Will these people have the same beliefs and worldview that contribute to a healthy, functioning republic? Believe it or not, many people in the world don't think secular democracy and hyper-individualism is a good way of life. Should we let those people into our society? Remember the Paris riots and the Theo Van Gogh murder. How will our environment and national infrastructure expand to meet these new demands? More taxes to widen the roads? Also, why are we bringing in immigrants when we have places like Michigan, where thousands of legal Americans lose their jobs to the third world every year?

Check the video - your intuition is correct.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...114&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

The immigration laws were re-written in 1965 specifically to undermine and destroy this country.

 

[AlexMerced]

Hmmm, bombing other countries isn't part of being an "isolationist" - whatever that means.

I think anyone who wants this flood of immigration should practice what they preach. Remove the door from your home - take it right off the hinges. Funny how these open border-types seem to be "isolationists" when it comes to their own personal lives.

This country is becoming balkanized and no country will survive that.

it's neo-islolationist, being hostile towards other countries and avoiding friendships.

Closing the borders completely would kill all competition in the workforce and lower productivity


Bottom line: Only be Abolishing the Welfare state can fix the economic ramifications of runaway immigration

 

[AlexMerced]

Exactly. And I've used this on another subject in this board - what would the GLOBALISTS do? Shouldn't the fact those who want to destroy this country are ALL big advocates of massive immigration give one pause? What are their motives.

Club Sierra sold out to such a globalist. Though the connection between immigration and the degradation of our ecology (THINK about that - what is fueling the flight to the suburbs? THINK about how much that adds to the miles driven every DAY.) is clear, they were told by the globalist that he would stop giving them MONEY if they EVER said anything bad about immigration!

Globalists want to give illegals tax money, if you abolish the welfare state, illegals can't take tax money, only work. Without minimum wage laws, who you think they are going to choose an illegal immigrant, or an american.

Abolish the welfare state, the incentive to immigrate illegal is gone


the only reason it enefits them to do it illegally is cause of wage competition, be rid of that and boom

 

[SamLowrey]

it's neo-islolationist, being hostile towards other countries and avoiding friendships.

Whatever happened to that quip that nations don't have friends - only interests. Seems to be trotted out all the time when one of our "allies" like Israel stabs us in the back again.

Closing the borders completely would kill all competition in the workforce and lower productivity

If by "competition" you mean a "race to the bottom" then I would agree because that is what is happening. Every time someone like you says this I can back you in the corner by asking if you don't think it would lower the quality of life if EVERY Third Worlder were to move to the US. You know it would.

Bottom line: Only be Abolishing the Welfare state can fix the economic ramifications of runaway immigration

Right, because the Welfare State artificially lowers the number of "unemployed" we have. So, your solution is to allow swarms of people to come here, legally, and then claim welfare? I don't see that as a solution. Just close the border and you have prevented the boat from getting swamped.

 

[SamLowrey]

Globalists want to give illegals tax money, if you abolish the welfare state, illegals can't take tax money, only work.

Keep the illegals out, then they aren't eligible for tax money, either. It is a lot easier than removing the welfare state.

Without minimum wage laws, who you think they are going to choose an illegal immigrant, or an american.

Why don't you look up what they were paying those ILLEGALS at the Swift Meat packing plant? Remember the incident where AMERICAN lined up for those jobs vacated by the illegals?

I remember a Californian "businesswoman" interviewed on a radio show who was advocating Amnesty who said she couldn't find Americans to work landscaping jobs for [I think it was] $15 an hour or something. We called her bluff - she was FLOODED with applications from Americans.

Might want to check your facts.

Yes, there is more overhead in doing things LEGALLY, just as you can buy a tv that has been stolen cheaper than retail. Being ILLEGAL should clue you in on that. I guess you want to get rid of the income tax, too? So does everyone - so does Ron Paul. But until that time we don't allow barbarians to rampage across the US, ok?

Abolish the welfare state, the incentive to immigrate illegal is gone

And abolish the Income Tax, Social Security, etc....

Oh, but we will ALSO have to abolish the American dream, as most see it. You, know, like having a house, running water, things like that. Because these Third Worlders will always be able to come in and live 30 to a house and undercut your salary......

So, you see, the globalist elites love immigration - best way to destroy those pesky middle class Americans who are always carping on about "rights" and the "Constitution." Better to replace them with some illiterate Third Worlders who won't complain as long as they have enough money for today to buy Ding-Dongs and Pepsis at the 7-11 and some cheap booze and a 12-year old to rape (of course, 12 year olds are "legal" in glorious Mexico.) No matter, the globalists who actually own the companies are living in the Swiss Alps - they want that labor CHEAP and that is all that matters!

 

[split_lipz]

Tancredo is too extreme on immigration. I think he'd be good as head of ICE, but not as a head of state.

 

[SamLowrey]

Tancredo is too extreme on immigration. I think he'd be good as head of ICE, but not as a head of state.

Bush is too extreme on immigration - he didn't do anything after we were literally attacked on our own soil by immigrants!

The fact he didn't close the border on 9/12 reveals he is a traitor IMO.

 

[AlexMerced]

on the extreme other end, if all immigrants were legal, they'd have abide by minimum wage laws, again, there'd be no reason to hire them.

i agree with Ron Paul with ron paul and most economists when they say this is problem cause of the welfare state

 

[Knightskye]

Tancredo is too extreme on immigration. I think he'd be good as head of ICE, but not as a head of state.

Head o' lettuce? He has some good jokes; maybe he could go on the road with Michael Richards.

 

[Danny Molina]

Tancredo's name is unamerican.

 

[xao]

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/12/07/politics/horserace/entry3590234.shtml QUOTE]

At least someone has a backbone and isn't pandering to the special interests of pro laraza Univision. Though I can see why Ron wouldn't mind some extra votes, but I truthfully don't think he'll fool the laraza racists.

This is a quote from another member who put this thing into the proper context.
His handle is rg...?? something(sorry forgot the rest)

"There shouldn't be a debate in spanish to begin with. It is a debate for the "Illegal vote" Which any illegal person in the country with a drivers license can vote. I do not see any debates being conducted in German, French, Italian, Sweedish, Arabic, etc, etc. Illegal immigration isn't about race, nationality,or color. It doesn't matter if the illegal is red, yellow, black or brown. Its about the law and allowing to many people into our country with no allegience to america without time to assimialte createing a foreign country within our own. This is being done on purpose to make the NAU transitition easier."

Now a dose of reality for the neo-liberal Ron Paul supporters. He's pretty strict on the illegals issue.

rons grade b+
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=TX&VIPID=787

As you can see, only tancredo and hunter have higher grades but they are utterly clueless on

other very important issues and sub tier in polling and funding.
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Ron with a B grade here
http://www.vdare.com/burns/070813_pi.htm

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul269.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul314.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U4RgUh5G38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZsBiZYocg

 

[xao]

I'm sorry but I think Tancredo is a racist F***.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/...anish-debate-attacks-their-entire-viewership/

That's because you're a laraza F***
Your actions earlier proved that. That's all you laraza nuts do is call anyone who is against illegal immigration a "racist".

You continually spew the marxist constructs and words like "racist". You probably have no idea where the word even came from. It was created by the bolsheviks in Russia when they took russia by force. Anyone who tried to stop there REAL terror was called a "Racist", anti-semtie, etc.

You know when you have to call people "names", you've lost your argument. Illegal immigration is crippling this country. It's been crippling California, where I am from, badly.

 

[xao]

Do those countries pander to Americans that have invaded their countries illegally? Bet not.

Nope, in fact you can't even get into most of them and stay, if you want to. Mexico has one of the harshest immigration policies in the world.

 

[xao]

Can you back that up? Because I haven't seen it. And I sure don't want to stop legal immigration.

Most Americans would probably like a moratorium on immigration altogether. We know that they want illegal immigration stopped(around 85% of americans do).
So I wouldn't be surprised at all if over 70% of americans wanted Legal immigration stopped. Why? Because we have so many people that have flooded the country, it will take some time for the country to heel from that massive population dump.

 

[xao]

Hmmm, bombing other countries isn't part of being an "isolationist" - whatever that means.

I think anyone who wants this flood of immigration should practice what they preach. Remove the door from your home - take it right off the hinges. Funny how these open border-types seem to be "isolationists" when it comes to their own personal lives.

This country is becoming balkanized and no country will survive that.

Bravo

 

[xao]

I am a firm believer that we need to halt all immigration and focus on improving the lives of people who already live here.

Awesome

 

[literatim]

on the extreme other end, if all immigrants were legal, they'd have abide by minimum wage laws, again, there'd be no reason to hire them.

i agree with Ron Paul with ron paul and most economists when they say this is problem cause of the welfare state

Many of the jobs they take generally paid more than minimum wage before businesses started hiring illegals.

 

[xao]

Tancredo's comment here sounds like common sense to me. I doubt anything can rip a country apart more quickly than groups/factions/regions separated by language. I know George Washington did not trust Dutch settlers who refused to speak English. That is good enough for me.

With the borders as wide open as they are right now and America's current situation in the world pecking order, I agree that we need a moratorium on all immigration for the present. Secure the border and take a step back to examine the rationale of allowing immigration in the first place.

Even a country as big as this has limited resources. Can we handle 250 million immigrants from India and China over the next ten years? Will these people have the same beliefs and worldview that contribute to a healthy, functioning republic? Believe it or not, many people in the world don't think secular democracy and hyper-individualism is a good way of life. Should we let those people into our society? Will they be loyal to America or to their native countries? Remember the Paris riots, Wen Ho Lee, and the Theo Van Gogh murder. How will our environment and national infrastructure expand to meet these new demands? More taxes to widen the roads? Also, why are we bringing in immigrants when we have places like Michigan, where thousands of legal Americans lose their jobs to the third world every year?

So true.

In fact PAT BUCHANAN has stated in his book and on Tv that we need a moratorium on all immigration into this country until we can get back on track.

And Pat is essentially the quintessential Real Republican. A Paleo-Conservative Republican, like Ron. Like the founders.

 

[xao]

Here's the kicker, WE DON'T EVEN NEED ILLEGALS OR ANY IMMIGRANTS TO PICK THE LETTUCE IN THE FIELDS.

Cases in point.....


Colorado Farmers Turn to Low-Level Prisoners to Do Work of Illegal Immigrants!
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289270,00.html
We DON'T need any more mexicans to pick our crops! We have majorly overcrowded jails in this country. EASILLY MORE THAN ENOUGH in each state to do the job! Let's do what Colorado and Washington does.


FOXNews.com - Colorado Farmers Turn to Prisoners to Do Work of Illegal Immigrants! Since Colorado adopted tough new laws to crack down on illegal immigrants, farmers have ...
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Colorado Farmers Turn to Prisoners to Do Work of Illegal Immigrants Friday, July 13, 2007

AVONDALE, Colo. — For generations, farmers in southern Colorado have depended on immigrant labor to work their fields.

But the new immigration laws in Colorado are some of the toughest in the nation, and now illegal immigrants are hesitant to come to the Centennial State.

Farmers say only half the normal number of migrant workers appeared this year, going instead to states like New Mexico and Arizona, where the laws are not so strict.

But the soil in Colorado still has to be tilled, and the seeds have to be planted, and somebody has to be in the fields to harvest the crops so that the onions, peppers and melons don't rot in the ground.

So the state came up with a plan to replace the illegal immigrants with workers from a different kind of home: inmates from colorado's overcrowded prison system.

"It's not a cure for our immigration problem, but it's something that we can turn to and maybe get us through these times until legislation gets these laws in order…." Said Joe Pisciotta, an onion farmer who now has women from a local prison working in his fields.

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"I've got to get my crops out. That's my livelihood and I've got to think about that first."

At first the farmers were concerned that the prisoners wouldn't work as hard as the illegal immigrants they are replacing. They also had concerns about having the prisoners around their families.

But only low-risk prisoners are allowed to work in the fields; sex offenders and inmates sentenced to life without parole are not permitted to participate in the program. And the prisoners are constantly supervised by a prison guard.

The farmers pay the Department of Corrections $9.60 per hour per inmate, most of which goes toward paying for the guards, transportation and lunch. The inmates themselves earn $4 a day, which is nearly seven times the 60 cents a day they can earn in prison. And the money they earn will be waiting for them once they've finished serving their sentences.

The work proved so hard, many of the women dropped out quickly. But most of those who have toughed it out say it's well worth it.

"It's one of the hardest things I've ever had to do in my life, said Kaedra, a drug offender who is working in Pisciotta's onion field.

"One of the cabbage fields … they were just little tiny plants and now they're big huge cabbage, and now we're getting ready to harvest them. And...we're actually pretty excited about it...and I wasn't expecting to feel that way."

As for the pay, Kaedra said: "I make $4 a day. For us, that's a lot."

Though some farmers were skeptical at first that the inmates could do the work, everyone now seems to be satisfied with the program. Twice the number of farms have asked the prison to provide workers this fall for the harvest.

FOX News' Carol McKinley contributed to this report.
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Not All Illegal Aliens Come Here To Work
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[literatim]

Globalists want to give illegals tax money, if you abolish the welfare state, illegals can't take tax money, only work. Without minimum wage laws, who you think they are going to choose an illegal immigrant, or an american.

Why exactly do you think they want to give illegals money?

Money is a lure, nothing more. They are trying to systematically destroy our national identity through massive immigration of strangers so as they can easily divide our country. If they eliminate the middle class, they destroy the country.

Abolish the welfare state, the incentive to immigrate illegal is gone

Our wealth alone is an incentive. They are paid nothing in Mexico compared to here, even with low wages. It also doesn't address the issue about how there is also a vibe through a portion of the Mexican populace that believe south western United States is rightfully theirs.