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[driller80545]

Haha I thought you wanted to WIN the election.

 

[SWATH]

I think in order to win the older vote Ron's gotta get on tv. My grandparents only watch Fox News, their main issue is killing the Arabs before they kill us and forcing the rest of them to be wholesome Ozzie and Harriets for their own good. I can't get through to them. All I hear is "he want's to leave Iraq, he must be a liberal", "he can't win", "I don't know, I never see him on the news", "I heard Hannity say he got all that money from George Soros and credit card scams", "I like some of what he says but he can't win, I never see him on tv". Unbelievably frustrating the stranglehold the media has. It's like they can't believe their own eyes until they receive validation from the media.

 

[BeFranklin]

Well, I don't know about getting closer to God as one gets closer to meeting his maker. Nonetheless, the boomers are a brand of their own. I'll give you that.

I will say this, though. Many of the people I spoke with here were either old or evangelicals. In both cases, they liked seeing the involvement of the young people. They liked the momentum we have. Their problem was electablility. Some of the old people are bigger conspiracy theorists than anyone here. They really don't believe 'they' will let someone with real moral convictions win. They've lived a long time and seen alot of things. But they've never seen an honest man win the presidency. It was an obstacle.

I ran across the same thing on electibility. I told her it was a moral issue, because it is a moral issue. Saying you are going to vote for someone because they are 'electability' is the same thing as voting for what the majority thinks, not what is right or wrong.

Its at the very heart of right or wrong. I told her she should do the right thing, and not just because everyone is doing it. I wanted to say do what God wants you to do.

She seemed to respond well.

Seems basic morality like doing something just because it is right needs to be preached to the older people. That is the un-addressed moral issue.

 

[BeFranklin]

I made a suggestion to the young people a few days ago.

I have one suggestion - and I'm not young or old. HAVE ABOUT YOU OLD PEOPLE MEETING WITH OTHER PEOPLE OF YOUR AGE

 

[Revolution9]

EXCELLENT idea!

Carol rocks. All the older ladies would respect her and the grandpa type guys would admre her spunk and probably wish their wife was a little more like her.. She exudes Mom America and apple pie. She can speak to the older ladies interests in the homecrafts and how our young ladies miss out on it and would love it.

The question is..how do we get her speaking to the older crowd? She hasn't got enough time for personal stumping visits to enoguh people.

However a DVD drop to Senior Citizen homes and communities right before their primaries could work if coordinated with the various state meetup organisations, loosely knit though they are. If you visit old folks homes ask if you can bring along your pets..It will brighten their faces.Take your music instruments and play them some tunes. they will love you for it..

Best
Randy

 

[BeFranklin]

I've never, ever personally experienced anyone express a problem with the Revolution banners except people within the Ron Paul movement. I'm not saying others don't exist. I've just never met anyone.

Its self abasement. Huck has hucksarmy, you never hear it mentioned as anything.
Biblically, this is pecking at specks of dust while ignoring the logs in your own eyes.

In example, the log in the original post in the thread, as amusing as it might be,
was all the cussing at people while telling them to behave properly.

We have too many drama queens around here. One thing we could improve on is
to cut down on chatty threads like this, and find some way of not moving relevant
threads off grassroots, or burying them in posts like this - ie improve our news
dispersion to everyone.

Each of us individually is wasting an enormous amount of time getting real news and information - multiplied by everyone that is a lot. If we can improve that, it will help alot.

 

[hueylong]

I think the post was directed at people canvassing, waving signs, etc.

The old people in the campaign already know how to act.

 

[RockEnds]

I ran across the same thing on electibility. I told her it was a moral issue, because it is a moral issue. Saying you are going to vote for someone because they are 'electability' is the same thing as voting for what the majority thinks, not what is right or wrong.

Its at the very heart of right or wrong. I told her she should do the right thing, and not just because everyone is doing it. I wanted to say do what God wants you to do.

She seemed to respond well.

Seems basic morality like doing something just because it is right needs to be preached to the older people. That is the un-addressed moral issue.

I'm not the only one prompting him to vote his conscience. But I like your suggestion about judgment day! I might have to use that one. Maybe not quite so bluntly. But I like the approach. I have until the next caucus in March.

He did start off as a Huckabee supporter. His daughter and my son were in the same class at school. We pulled our kids and began homeschooling at the same time over problems with the same teacher. After a long conversation about socialism in schools, he left the Huckabee camp. There's still hope. He does have a conscience, and that's a start!

 

[BeFranklin]

I'm not the only one prompting him to vote his conscience. But I like your suggestion about judgment day! I might have to use that one. Maybe not quite so bluntly. But I like the approach. I have until the next caucus in March.

He did start off as a Huckabee supporter. His daughter and my son were in the same class at school. We pulled our kids and began homeschooling at the same time over problems with the same teacher. After a long conversation about socialism in schools, he left the Huckabee camp. There's still hope. He does have a conscience, and that's a start!

Conscience is what really needs to be preached. Thats the real problem.

 

[newmedia4ron]

agree with the first post

 

[Bossobass]

Just mails them a flyer that reads the truth:

Alan Greenspan August, 2004:

"Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said Friday that the country will face "abrupt and painful" choices if Congress does not move quickly to trim the Social Security and Medicare benefits that have been promised to the baby boom generation.

"Greenspan has repeatedly this year addressed the looming crisis in Social Security and Medicare, a development that the presidential candidates have chosen to virtually ignore given the painful choices that will likely be presented to the next president."

Ron's the only member of Congress or the senate who has never voted to touch a dime of Social Security.

Ron's the only candidate who has pledged to keep Social Security solvent, and has a real plan to do so, with real numbers to back it up.

"Solvency is the key to keeping our promise to our seniors, and I have introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to ensure that money paid into the system is only used for Social Security.

"Excessive government spending has created the insolvency crisis in Social Security. We must significantly reduce spending so that our nation can keep its promise to our seniors.

"It is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system. The Social Security for Americans Only Act (H.R. 190) ends the drain on Social Security caused by illegal aliens seeking the fruits of your labor."

Ron's the only politician they can name who has never flip flopped or lied to the American public or gone back on his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, which is what separates us from every other country in history.

Get the list for Florida. Raise the stew to print them. Keep it simple and use BIG FONTS. Mail the damn things.

Ms D = my girl. Love this thread.

Bosso

 

[BeFranklin]

I think the post was directed at people canvassing, waving signs, etc.

The old people in the campaign already know how to act.

Ummm, yes, reading through this thread, I pick up on how the old people know how to act as being: they let the young people do all the work, even when talking to old people, and they cuss a lot while telling other people how to behave.

I guarantee you that old people are no less likely to not know how to behave then young people. Granted, an old man steeped in the ways of the Lord is a blessing, but some old people are like rotting trees - even WORSE because they are old, they grew that way.

What I'm seeing here is some mock playfulness over cussing, laziness over working - getting others to do it for you while complaining about it, logs in your own eyes, and some vanity and pride over age.

Some of that hurt? Well, some of this thread probably hurt younger people too. The old people apparently didn't know how to act. One of the best ways to have acted would have been to just approach the old people yourself if you think they're is a relate-ability problem. GEEZE.

 

[BeFranklin]

I think in order to win the older vote Ron's gotta get on tv. My grandparents only watch Fox News, their main issue is killing the Arabs before they kill us and forcing the rest of them to be wholesome Ozzie and Harriets for their own good. I can't get through to them. All I hear is "he want's to leave Iraq, he must be a liberal", "he can't win", "I don't know, I never see him on the news", "I heard Hannity say he got all that money from George Soros and credit card scams", "I like some of what he says but he can't win, I never see him on tv". Unbelievably frustrating the stranglehold the media has. It's like they can't believe their own eyes until they receive validation from the media.

This is what I think some people also mean about "electibility"

That isn't a moral issue. (but tied into it) Now they think what other people think "the majority" is what the media presents them.

Thats a logic issue. One of the reasons to need advertising is so Ron Paul "seems electible". The broader problem is to address the illogic of that reasoning or that they've never really thought about it.

 

[Bossobass]

Ummm, yes, reading through this thread, I pick up how the old people need to act is: they let the young people do all the work, even when talking to old people, and they cuss a lot while telling other people how to behave.

I guarantee you that old people are no less likely to not know how to behave then young people. Granted, an old man steeped in the ways of the Lord is a blessing, but some old people are like rotting trees - even WORSE because they are old, they grew that way.

What I'm seeing here is some mock playfulness over cussing, laziness over working - getting others to do it for you while complaining about it, logs in your own eyes, and some vanity and pride over age.

Some of that hurt? Well, some of this thread probably hurt younger people too. The old people apparently don't know how to act. One of the best ways to have acted would have been to just approach the old people yourself if you think they're is a relate-ability problem. GEEZE.

None of your post hurts me because it's far too easy to see for what it is, and it'll take a helluva lot more than some post in a forum to hurt me.

I probably wouldn't play the 'who does all the work' card with me if I were you 'cause you'll lose that one. Young people hurt by this thread? You're yankin' my chain, right?

Take the damned thread for what it's worth. Jump on board and quit looking for crap to argue about.

Bosso

 

[Rhys]

Thank you.

For God's sake, who's not showering before canvasing?

We're not just talking about older folk... we're talking about older Republican folk! CONSERVATIVE is our friggen favorite word.

("our favorite" as in republicans. lol i'm just pushin 30.)

 

[LJHudd]

Why'd it take an older lady to say it before ya'll gave 100+ ''I agree!" So many people have been trying to say this all along, yet so many never listened!

 

[kyleAF]

Wouldn't the knowledge that Barry Goldwater, Jr has officially endorsed Ron Paul ring a few bells in the minds of the older GOP base? Maybe they'll think twice before listening to FOX say they should dismiss him outright.

I agree. It's the old people who vote and decide how us young people should live... even after the same old people die. That's the way of things. We need to accept that and look for the solution, instead of the problem. Get the elderly vote!

I think appealing to their past and knowing a little about their history will go a long way to getting them to join us.

 

[aravoth]

Normally I'd say something witty, in an attempt to fill in any gaps that may not have been closed. But this post needs no additions. It is perfectly accurate in every way.

 

[icon124]

you criticize us for criticizing others, don't you find that a little ironic?

 

[tpreitzel]

I'm 24 and agree with you. Sadly the older folks only watch Fox News for their info, I don't know how we can reach out more to this group, someone from this older age group needs to step up with the plan.

The older generation, i.e. voters > 60, see a need for state protection which is unfortunate. The best way to reach this group is by showing conclusively that Ron is NOT an isolationist, his foreign policy will promote good will internationally and allow the plunging dollar to stabilize, and securing the borders will increase security while simultaneously addressing the rampant problem of illegal immigration and its costs. Stress the COSTS of domestic and foreign policy while reminiscing about the bygone days of America where the middle class was free and prosperous.