Taking down McCain - About an hour phone call with Ted Sempley

Just sticking it in here to read it better as the link is a bit of a mess...........





For national security reasons, Sen. John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee for President and Commander in Chief of the United States military must be required to release his medical and POW files.







Presidential candidate John McCain claims his experience as a prisoner of the communists for 5

1/2 years (three of which he spent in solitary

confinement) better qualifies him to be President of the United States. He has forged that experience along with his military record deeply into his campaign.

McCain has admitted that his Vietnamese captors considered him a "special prisoner," the "crown prince" of U.S. POWs, because his father, Adm.

John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam.

He has admitted that because he was considered such a "special prisoner," he was targeted for intense indoctrination sessions by Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban intelligence agencies operating in U.S. POW camps.

According to McCain, the indoctrination sessions included nonstop brutal beatings and threats to withhold medical attention if he did not cooperate. McCain admits that on his fourth day of captivity, he broke and began cooperating with the communists.

"Demands for military information were

accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate.

Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Pages 193-194, by John McCain.

McCain implies that he collaborated with communist only once while being tortured and that he was so disturbed because he broke that he attempted suicide.

But, declassified U.S. government files show that McCain traded cooperation with the enemy for better treatment, not just once, but at least 32 times spanning about 18 months of the time he was kept isolated from other U.S. POWs.

How much more cooperation did POW McCain give his communist interrogators? How many statements and radio broadcasts did McCain actually make for the enemy? Why is he continuing to demand that his POW records remain classified?

It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not make him mentally unstable.

Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies?

McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment?

Does McCain’s former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner which they could use to blackmail a President John McCain.

McCain must be required to explain why, during a May 1993 meeting with Vietnamese officials in Hanoi, he and former POW Pete Peterson (the U.S.

ambassador to Vietnam) threatened to derail U.S.

normalization of trade and diplomatic relations with Vietnam if "Vietnamese files possession pertaining to American POWs who were released in 1973 were ever made public."

Garnet Bill Bell, special assistant to Gen.

Thomas W. Needham, commander of the Joint Task Force for Full Accounting, was present at that meeting along with several other Americans.

The Vietnamese, according to Bell, agreed to keep the files, which were apparently extensive, confidential but threatened to release their files on former POW Marine Private Robert Garwood if he continued "to say bad things about them and accuse them of holding living American prisoners of war."

McCain must be required to explain why he wants those files kept secret.

McCain was a strong advocate for bringing Bosnian and Yugoslavian war criminals before a war crimes tribunal, but he opposed any kind of war crimes investigations of the Vietnamese. McCain must be required to answer why he is opposed to bringing to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as "the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba" and many others that were responsible for the murder of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others.

In November 1991, when Tracy Usry, the former chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, he revealed that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam.

McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S.

prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets."

Yet, former U.S. POW Laird Gutterson, who was held with McCain, told the that McCain told him the Soviets were involved when McCain needed special medical attention as a result of his shootdown in 1967.

Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified under oath before the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs that the KGB interrogated U.S. POWs in Vietnam.

Gen. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer,"

who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.

Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war, he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.

McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he rushed forward to the witness table and warmly embraced Col. Bui Tin as if he was a long, lost brother. Why did McCain physically embrace his former interrogator.

McCain must explain, in detail, exactly what contact he had with the former Soviets while he was a prisoner of the communists.

Candidate McCain must answer why he warmly embraced Col. Bui Tin, one of his former interrogators.

During the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war . During the Korean War, one out of every three U.S. POWs collaborated.

McCain must answer why he has opposed a U.S.

government study that would determine the success or failure of Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban attempts at exploiting American prisoners of war
 
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That will work, thanks. The e-mail he sent me wasn't formatted very well, and I guess neither was my document. Thought it would look better in the doc than here, guess I was wrong.

Looking through this, I think theres some good stuff. Dunno if we can use it all or not, but definately workable. If anyone thinks we need any more information on any of this stuff to flesh it out, he gave me his cell number and told me I could follow up with him.
 
That will work, thanks. The e-mail he sent me wasn't formatted very well, and I guess neither was my document. Thought it would look better in the doc than here, guess I was wrong.

Looking through this, I think theres some good stuff. Dunno if we can use it all or not, but definately workable. If anyone thinks we need any more information on any of this stuff to flesh it out, he gave me his cell number and told me I could follow up with him.

Ask him if he has any video or pictures of McCain embracing his interrogator, and any audio of the interrogator saying that the soviets were working on all of the prisoners.
 
Ask him if he has any video or pictures of McCain embracing his interrogator, and any audio of the interrogator saying that the soviets were working on all of the prisoners.

Sent him an e-mail asking. It will probably be tomorrow before I get any info on it though. I'm pretty sure he's probably sleeping at this hour, and I should be...

Finishing up a tad of homework, and I keep making the mistake of popping in here to see what's going on...

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Found the picture on my own: http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcain_bu.gif

I doubt he would have the audio, but I asked. If anything though he may be able to cite a source.

Another pic of interest http://www.usvetdsp.com/gifs/mcaincuban.jpg
 
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Go to bed bill..pick it up tomorrow

Done.. but the refresh button is just so addicting..

I've been trying to make it through a chapter on "Human Populations" for my Envirnomental Studies course, but keep coming back here. Kept promising myself to finish the chapter before going to bed.. Guess Ill do it tomorrow, not due until Friday.

Have fun guys.
 
Associating with the Ron Paul campaign with Ted Sampley will do more harm than good, and give the opposition more ammunition.

Ted Sampley has been long discredited in the media, he is known racist, compulsive liar, felon, and a bigot who uses the plight of POWs for his own gain.

Don't believe me? Just look at his record:

Named one of the "World's Worst" persons in American politics:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/...wift-boat-sampley-lou-dobbs-and-bill-oreilly/

A compulsive liar:
http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm

A total nutjob (and liar):
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408110010

More racist commentary:
http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2008/01/meet-ted-sampley.html

This one's great, he uses the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" logo to mail out his propaganda, but changes boat to "boot" and keeps everything else the same. The group found out and blasted him for it, they actually support McCain:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/005084.php

When you were on the phone with him did you ask about the "Manchurian Candidate" because Sampley believes the McCain was enlisted by secret communist agents for the KGB.

Also one last bit on the "songbird" fliers that he handed out:
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/18/Worldandnation/Flier_smears_McCain_s.shtml


Associating anything in the campaign with this guy or supporting him in any way is absolutely reprehensible. We may not agree with John McCain's positions... but as one person said about Ted Sampley, "there is a special place in hell for this guy."
 
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Associating with the Ron Paul campaign with Ted Sampley will do more harm than good, and give the opposition more ammunition.

Ted Sampley has been long discredited in the media, he is known racist, compulsive lier, felon, and a bigot who uses the plight of POWs for his own gain.

Don't believe me? Just look at his record:

Named one of the "World's Worst" persons in American politics:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/...wift-boat-sampley-lou-dobbs-and-bill-oreilly/

A compulsive lier:
http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm

A total nutjob (and lier):
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408110010

More racist commentary:
http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2008/01/meet-ted-sampley.html

This one's great, he uses the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" logo to mail out his propaganda, but changes boat to "boot" and keeps everything else the same. The group found out and blasted him for it, they actually support McCain:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/005084.php

When you were on the phone with him did you ask about the "Manchurian Candidate" because Sampley believes the McCain was enlisted by secret communist agents for the KGB.

Also one last bit on the "songbird" fliers that he handed out:
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/18/Worldandnation/Flier_smears_McCain_s.shtml


Associating anything in the campaign with this guy or supporting him in any way is absolutely reprehensible. We may not agree with John McCain's positions... but as one person said about Ted Sampley, "there is a special place in hell for this guy."

Nice First Post.....:rolleyes:
Dont link to the no spin zone please. LOL
 
After reading all of that stuff about McCain, I feel a great deal of empathy for him. None of us can imagine what horrors he or any other POW's must have gone through. I am sure he still suffers from those memories to this very day.

Nevertheless, he is completely and utterly unfit to be President.
 
After reading all of that stuff about McCain, I feel a great deal of empathy for him. None of us can imagine what horrors he or any other POW's must have gone through. I am sure he still suffers from those memories to this very day.

Nevertheless, he is completely and utterly unfit to be President.

I know but it has to be addressed. This is serious. We cant have a real raving lunatic for President.
 
I know but it has to be addressed. This is serious. We cant have a real raving lunatic for President.

I agree. It's just sad that we have to resort to this kind of thing to bring him down. In a fair and open media environment, he would be completely discredited on the issues; unfortunately, it is anything but fair and open and this is the result.
 
Nice First Post.....:rolleyes:
Dont link to the no spin zone please. LOL

No spin zone?

Please click the link :D

It's an article about the 3 worst people in American politics.

Ted Sampley is #3... the reason you see Bill O'Reilly in the URL is because he... *drumroll* #1!

It's an anti-"No Spin Zone" article... you should know the Crooks and Liars would never be associated with Fox or O'Reilly.
 
If them Democrats dont start talking about it soon, I expect the whole election is a set up.

I think Ron Has know about McCain's problem from the start. If this hits the mainstream its over for McCain and it our man and Huckabee convincing delegates. I can always dream. Though I could be a fortune teller. :D
 
If them Democrats dont start talking about it soon, I expect the whole election is a set up.

I think Ron Has know about McCain's problem from the start. If this hits the mainstream its over for McCain and it our man and Huckabee convincing delegates. I can always dream. Though I could be a fortune teller. :D

Democrats are still sore about Kerry, and that was a much more organized movement with soldiers who were actually in Kerry's unit.

If Democrats call the SBVFT movement below the belt... they'd be accused of being hypocritical if they endorsed something shady like Ted Sampley. Heck, Ted Sampley was part of the Kerry smear too and Ted even accosted Kerry in front of a bunch of school children. I doubt the Dems are too eager to jump on board with anyone who made a career out of trashing their candidate in 2004.
 
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