SWAT flash-bangs toddler in play pen - the "Baby Bou Bou" saga

[Lucille]

'Bou Bou's Law' Aims to Restrict No-Knock Police Raids

Unless, unless, unless. So essentially nothing would change. Nice window dressing though!

'Bou Bou's Law' Would Restrict No-Knock Police Raids
A horribly injured toddler inspires legislation to rein in drug warriors.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/23/bou-bous-law-would-restrict-no-knock-pol

In response to a botched drug raid that gravely injured a toddler last May, a Georgia state legislator has introduced a bill that would impose new restrictions on warrants that allow police to enter homes unannounced. Bou Bou's Law—which Sen. Vincent Fort (D-Atlanta) named for Bounkham "Bou Bou" Phonesavanh, the 19-month-old boy who was nearly killed by a flash-bang grenade tossed into his crib—would allow "no knock" warrants only in cases where the police can show "probable cause that if an officer were to knock and announce identity and purpose before entry, such act of knocking and announcing would likely pose a significant and imminent danger to human life or imminent danger of evidence being destroyed." That rule is stricter than the standard the Supreme Court has said is required by the Fourth Amendment: "reasonable suspicion" that knocking and announcing "would be dangerous or futile" or "would inhibit the effective investigation of the crime."

According to Carrie Mills, a retired Atlanta cop who "considers herself an expert on search warrants," the change proposed by Fort would be reckless. "If we knock and announced, all evidence is going to be destroyed," she told WTOC, the CBS station in Savannah. "You have to draw the line between your right as a citizen to privacy and a community's right to live in a crime-free environment. You can't have them both."

The Framers probably would have disagreed. In any event, the "crime" Mills has in mind consists of voluntary transactions involving arbitrarily proscribed intoxicants. If I have to choose between my privacy and vainly trying to stop people from getting high in ways that Carrie Mills does not like, that is a pretty easy choice.
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Another Georgia bill, introduced by Rep. Kevin Tanner (R-Dawsonville), would raise the evidentiary standard for no-knock warrants and require that they be executed between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. "unless the judge for good cause expressly authorizes execution at another time." That begins to address the safety issues raised by middle-of-the-night raids, which include the very real risk that cops will be be mistaken for burglars and shot. A similar timing expectation for all searches would help make the knock-and-announce rule more meaningful.

 

[TheTexan]

The important thing is that no knock raids can continue whenever officer safety is a concern. We certainly wouldnt want any officers getting hurt.

 

[Christian Liberty]

In theory this wouldn't be so terrible. We've talked about the whole "gang of murderers locked up in a warehouse with assault weapons" scenario before. The problem is that its inevitably going to be abused.

SWAT teams should just be abolished. If you're really in a situation where military type force would be needed, the militia should be called out (which would be rare... but of course, we don't have a militia anymore... for shame...) which would let the people see everything first hand.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"You have to draw the line between your right as a citizen to privacy and a community's right to live in a crime-free environment. You can't have them both."

"You have to draw the line between your right as a citizen to privacy and a community's right to live in a crime-free environment. You can't have them both."

"You have to draw the line between your right as a citizen to privacy and a community's right to live in a crime-free environment. You can't have them both."

 

[brushfire]

There are inherent risks for LEO's. I'm not willing to sacrifice my liberties, or the liberties of others, to augment the efficiency or safety of their operation.

Even if "its for the kids"... Call me a racist, cop hating, teacher loathing, right wing extremist, but that's my view on the matter. Dont like the risks? Pick another profession.

 

[Dr.3D]

Seems like it would be safer for the cops if they knocked at the door during the day. Breaking into someones home in the middle of the night is likely to cause a home owner to break out his shotgun.

 

[tod evans]

From p4p's thread earlier;

According to Carrie Mills, "If we knock and announced, all evidence is going to be destroyed," "You have to draw the line between your right as a citizen to privacy and a community's right to live in a crime drug-free environment. You can't have them both."

This cunt is using deceitful verbiage, so I fixed it....


Now that the verbiage is fixed how's that really working out for ya' down there in Ga.?

There's more dope than ever isn't there?

Almost 50 years of this BS and the only folks I see benefiting are the members of the "Just-Us" department....

 

[Anti Federalist]

From p4p's thread earlier;

That kid is just collateral damage.

Probably gonna grow up to be a drug dealer anyways.

Now, move the fuck along, before we give you some of the same, asshole. - Officer Friendly

 

[Anti Federalist]

There are inherent risks for LEO's. I'm not willing to sacrifice my liberties, or the liberties of others, to augment the efficiency or safety of their operation.

Even if "its for the kids"... Call me a racist, cop hating, teacher loathing, right wing extremist, but that's my view on the matter. Dont like the risks? Pick another profession.

So simple, no?

 

[TheTexan]

Seems like it would be safer for the cops if they knocked at the door during the day. Breaking into someones home in the middle of the night is likely to cause a home owner to break out his shotgun.

No, thats usually not an issue. In that situation the cops usually take cover behind a wall, and then light up that wall with assault weapon fire to hit whatever might be on the other side. It's actually usually quite safe.

 

[Christian Liberty]

From p4p's thread earlier;

Indeed. Its bad enough that government is claiming the right to control what substances we can use. Its even worse when that claim is used to justify destroying the liberty of everyone and creating a police state.War on the populace is never a good idea.

 

[TheTexan]

Seems like it would be safer for the cops if they knocked at the door during the day. Breaking into someones home in the middle of the night is likely to cause a home owner to break out his shotgun.

Flashbangs are also commonly deployed to ensure maximum safety in cases like this. Its an extremely effective technique; its very rare that cops get injured.

 

[JK/SEA]

Flashbangs are also commonly deployed to ensure maximum safety in cases like this. Its an extremely effective technique; its very rare that cops get injured.

yeah, we know. Especially the innocent baby, but apparently you don't really give a fuck do you?...

my suggestion is to end the drug war, but that would put you on the un-employment line.

 

[otherone]

"You have to draw the line between your right as a citizen to privacy and a community's right to live in a crime-free environment. You can't have them both."

So much fail here.
"Citizens" have no "right to privacy" and "communities" have no Rights at all.
Better stated: "LE does not have the fucking "right" nor AUTHORITY to do WHATEVER THE FUCK IT WANTS."
Of course the Anti-Federalists were correct. It's either hilarious or terrifying (hilerrifying?) that those responsible for protecting individual Rights don't know what they are, or even understand what constitutes a "Right" to begin with (other than a pesky nuisance provided by government to stymie the efforts of law enforcement). Their heads would probably explode if they realized the very purpose of Rights is to limit THEIR OWN behavior.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

 

[Dr.3D]

Flashbangs are also commonly deployed to ensure maximum safety in cases like this. Its an extremely effective technique; its very rare that cops get injured.

They should reconsider that. Wouldn't it be better to be quiet and not wake the sleeping home owner? I know a loud bang and a bunch of commotion would make be grab my shotgun even faster.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Asshole Sheriff got shot Sunday, by another cop.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...iff-behind-the-Baby-Bou-raid-He-has-been-shot

 

[mrsat_98]

I'd settle for their testicles;
but you can't lose what you ain't got.

Asshole Sheriff got shot Sunday, by another cop.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...iff-behind-the-Baby-Bou-raid-He-has-been-shot

Was it in the go nads ?

 

[osan]

If there was any justice in this world, every single one of those asshole cops would lose everything they had.

Including their abilities to breathe.

 

[osan]

Grand jury: No criminal charges in raid that injured toddler in Habersham County

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In their 15-page presentment, the grand jury found no cause for criminal charges against the any deputies involved in the botched SWAT raid. but they had plenty to say about the investigation.

The jury called it “sloppy and hurried” and “not in accordance with best practices.” The grand jury said while they want law enforcement to pursue drug dealers “the zeal to hold them accountable must not override cautious and patient judgment.”

They went on to say “there should be no such thing as an emergency drug investigation.”

A sheriff’s task force said they had a witness to drug sales at the home and expected to find a known drug dealer inside. They obtained a no-knock warrant. Instead, they encountered the child and his parents sleeping just beyond this door.

To that point, the grand jury recommended “that every effort should be made in determining presence of children.”

“What stood out to me is how hard they worked and struggled,” said District Attorney Brian Rickman.

Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh asked Rickman, “A lot of people have said throughout this that if a flash bang, a grenade, exploded inside a child’s crib, something went wrong. A lot of people were hoping that someone would be held accountable.”

Rickman said, “To answer the question that’s absolutely true. I think what people have to be careful about -- there’s a difference in criminal responsibility versus, of course there will be a civil lawsuit, but also some of the personal accountability.

There is still an ongoing criminal investigation with the U.S. Attorney's Office.

The grand jury wants their findings read to the entire Georgia Assembly. They believe the tragedy that happened in Habersham County could happen to any community and they don't want any other children hurt.

The family’s spokesman said the parents are distraught and not satisfied. The spokesman said they will likely move forward with civil suit. They plan a news conference Tuesday to discuss the future plans in more detail.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...oddler-/nhczX/

And yet there remain those who maintain the grand jury system as the best tool for settling issues of justice. It requires a very special brand of blind to hold this position in the face of the endless parade of travesties such as this. That parade serves only to prove to me that there is no formal system of governance upon which one may rely in order to best ensure the freedoms and rights of one and all. ANYTHING can be perverted.

I recently watched "The Stand" and in the third episode the "Abagail" [sic] character reams the people of the "Free Zone", warning them away from their "central committee" as being nothing more than the misguided attempt to bring back to life the same old shackles from which the plague had freed the survivors. It is a frightful thing to witness the fearful childishness of "adults" as they cling to that which is familiar, and therefore comfortable. Just look at the Russians, some years after the collapse of the Soviet Union - they were clamoring to return to the "good old days". Those were not adults, but idiot children in grown-up bodies. What real adult would ever wish for a return to the fear, privation, lack of basic freedoms, ad openly stupid tyranny? But for those imbeciles that was all just dandy so long as they got free stuff, enough to wretch their way through the abject misery of their lives. The familiar was comfortable and that is what a great plurality of humanity wants in preference to freedom, true prosperity, and the attendant responsibilities for one's own self. Heaven forbid one be responsible.

We don't need "system". We need attitude and action pursuant thereto. The right attitude. We need the Golden Rule burned indelibly into the hearts of all men, along with the attitude not of tolerance, but of ultimate intolerance of any and all who would violate the Rule. The speak of tolerance as it has devolved in America needs to be amended away from the indiscriminate nonsense into which it has been mangled and back to propriety. What the progressives have succeeded so wildly in accomplishing has been to train the average man's mind away from the habit of adept discrimination in his assessment of what is tolerable vis-à-vis that which is not, and toward a blanket assessment that says, "it's all good". This has proven a wholesale disaster not for America alone, but for the entire world.

What has been carved out of the contemporary application and tacit definition of "tolerance" is precisely the fact that there are things which are not tolerable. The notion exists, but only tacitly and simplistically to address any intolerance - the one and only thing that Theye accept as "intolerable", along with disobedience of one's masters. Intolerance and disobedience are intolerable for Themme and the world has eaten this up like candy such that any courageous and thinking man should quake in his boots at the thought of this frightful turn of the human spirit toward the pitch-black.

We need a return to the sanity of discretion and discernment, which means a return to the habit and acceptance of responsibility for our thoughts, words, and deeds. With that return to responsibility must come the ability to determine that which is intolerable and to deal with such with the stark non-equivocation of men who know right from wrong and assume the responsibility of defending their just titles from all challengers and threats thereto.

Perhaps more than anything else, it has been the individual renunciation of responsibility that has landed the race of men in its current circumstance of very hot water as we, the people of the living world, teeter on a knife's edge of sorrows we can neither comprehend nor accept as real and imminent, awaiting us in the abyss below.

There are those who will way "you cannot take the law into your own hands".

Bollocks.

Remember, we ARE the law. The law is born into each of us and it has been discovered long past. It is up to each of us to rediscover it, to make it our own, and to enforce it with unbending intent such that each man is guaranteed his rightful place in the world, but not a whit more than that of his brothers. All who presume greater right than his fellows must be stopped and either resized to propriety, or removed from the book of life if need be. THAT is the only viable solution, but it takes work and responsibility and in the end we are all faced with making the decision of what is more important to us, our liberties or our trinkets.

Time is here.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Aye, they were called the "Intolerable Acts" for a reason.