SWAT flash-bangs toddler in play pen - the "Baby Bou Bou" saga

UPDATE: Still no apology posted to their website.

Still not one officer offering any words of condemnation.

The baby was flash grenaded after an alleged $50 drug buy.

That would be approximately a half of a gram of methamphetamine. How many pounds was this criminal mastermind accused of selling that required a flash bang raid in the middle of the night? .0011013 pounds.

A nickel weighs five grams. The amount of methamphetamine would be comparable in size.
 
kcchiefs6465 said:
UPDATE: Still no apology posted to their website.

Still not one officer offering any words of condemnation.

The baby was flash grenaded after an alleged $50 drug buy.

That would be approximately a half of a gram of methamphetamine. How many pounds was this criminal mastermind accused of selling that required a flash bang raid in the middle of the night? .0011013 pounds.

A nickel weighs five grams. The amount of methamphetamine would be comparable in size.
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Why apologize? Do the job long enough and these things happen. I'm sure they'll make a statement of some kind saying it was unfortunate, but beyond that, I wouldn't be expecting much for an apology.

Oh and they'll also ensure everybody, as with all incidents of this nature, there will be a full and thorough investigation.
 
bxm042 said:
Why apologize? Do the job long enough and these things happen. I'm sure they'll make a statement of some kind saying it was unfortunate, but beyond that, I wouldn't be expecting much for an apology.

Oh and they'll also ensure everybody, as with all incidents of this nature, there will be a full and thorough investigation.
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I just figured that there might be one cop in America who wouldn't wish to see their profession maligned with baby grenaders.
 
XNavyNuke said:
His sermons are available here:
http://www.sermonsforshepherds.com/pastors/mike-franklin

Wouldn't surprise me if he is on Santorum's prayer team.

XNN
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I couldn't tell much just looking at the sermon titles (I'm not going to listen to them) but the titles themselves didn't necessarily indicate to me that he was a fascist. His comments about this, on the other hand...

Looks can be deceiving, I guess.

kcchiefs6465 said:
I just figured that there might be one cop in America who wouldn't wish to see their profession maligned with baby grenaders.
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Do you think every cop in America has heard about this? Do you think a cop in another state who knew this was wrong would even think of making a public statement about it?

I don't defend cops but I seriously, seriously doubt that every cop in the country is OK with this sort of thing.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Do you think every cop in America has heard about this? Do you think a cop in another state who knew this was wrong would even think of making a public statement about it?

I don't defend cops but I seriously, seriously doubt that every cop in the country is OK with this sort of thing.
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There's a million cops of all varieties, out there, so I'd be happy with just 10 percent knowing about this story and condemning the sheriff's action.

That would be roughly 100,000 cops speaking out against this.

Should be easy enough to find.

Post 'em here.

I'll wait...
 
FreedomFanatic said:
I don't defend cops but I seriously, seriously doubt that every cop in the country is OK with this sort of thing.
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Whether they're "okay" with it or not every cop in the country accepts their pay from the citizens they accost.

Arguing what degree of evil is acceptable really is kind of silly.
 
Anti Federalist said:
There's a million cops of all varieties, out there, so I'd be happy with just 10 percent knowing about this story and condemning the sheriff's action.

That would be roughly 100,000 cops speaking out against this.

Should be easy enough to find.

Post 'em here.

I'll wait...
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100,000?

Let's find one first. And I've been looking. It's a myth that they exist.
 
Anti Federalist said:
There's a million cops of all varieties, out there, so I'd be happy with just 10 percent knowing about this story and condemning the sheriff's action.

That would be roughly 100,000 cops speaking out against this.

Should be easy enough to find.

Post 'em here.

I'll wait...
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I wouldn't be surprised if that many agreed with the sheriff:rolleyes:
tod evans said:
Whether they're "okay" with it or not every cop in the country accepts their pay from the citizens they accost.

Arguing what degree of evil is acceptable really is kind of silly.
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Acceptable? When did I say acceptable? I've always been very clear about the fact that I believe working in "law enforcement" is morally wrong. I'm just saying there are degrees of evil.
kcchiefs6465 said:
100,000?

Let's find one first. And I've been looking. It's a myth that they exist.
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I know one. I'll ask him. Of course, it would be a personal anecdote, and you may not trust me:p
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Acceptable? When did I say acceptable? I've always been very clear about the fact that I believe working in "law enforcement" is morally wrong. I'm just saying there are degrees of evil.
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Alright then.......

At what point does morally reprehensible change to evil in your opinion?

These supposedly "good cops" out there who stand by complacently while their brethren wage war on citizens fall into which category?

Is there a scorecard one could use to determine if jackboot A is a lesser evil than jackboot B ?

Me.........I'll continue to collectivize by choice of employment, thanks anyway.
 
tod evans said:
Alright then.......

At what point does morally reprehensible change to evil in your opinion?
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I'll say that all cops work in an evil profession, but that some of them are under a mistaken belief that what they are doing is good. And, I'd love to see the ones who think they are doing good to realize that they aren't. I don't want them dead. I don't mourn over them, after all, I don't mourn after people I don't know most of the time anyway, so why are cops special? I'm just not ready to look at a guy who thinks he's keeping his community safe (even though he's really making us less safe) and saying "yeah, that guy deserves to die."

I guess I kind of see the guys who feed the illusion that cops are the "good guys" as being in some sense culpable as well. Not in a legal sense, but in a moral sense yes.

These supposedly "good cops" out there who stand by complacently while their brethren wage war on citizens fall into which category?
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This is a good question. I may have to ask the police captain I know this question. Off the top of my head, I'm guessing that the most likely cases (again, we're talking about a well-intentioned cop here) is either fear, or lack of knowledge.
Is there a scorecard one could use to determine if jackboot A is a lesser evil than jackboot B ?
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Not an exact one, but in reality its not that complicated. Does it take a lot of imagination to say that the scumbags who beat Kelly Thomas to death are more evil than the cop who attends church every sunday, is a loving Christian husband and father, and tries to treat everyone he deals with with respect, yet still makes unjustified arrests and writes unjustified tickets because he thinks its keeping his community safe?

Mind you, I'm not saying I support either one. I'm saying that I'm more inclined to wish harm on the killers of Kelly Thomas, and I'm more inclined to hope that the other guy will eventually realize that what he's doing isn't fruitful and can't be justified.

Me.........I'll continue to collectivize by choice of employment, thanks anyway.
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I do to some extent to. When I see a guy I don't know in a blue uniform, I feel fear because I know he could probably kill me and get away with it. I'm not under the illusion that all of them would actually want to kill me though. I'm not under the impression that every cop is flashbanging children. And I think that cops who do do those types of things are a heck of a lot worse than those who don't, even if those who don't are not exercising due dilligence in keeping their comrades accountable.

I'm making a bad vs worse comparison, not a good vs bad comparison. I don't think anyone here would say that being a thief (i'm talking about a non-governmental thief here) is a good thing. But we'd still make a distinction between a thief and somebody who rapes and murders children. We'd very likely wish death or serious harm on the second guy (maybe that's wrong but I think we all do) but not the first guy. That's the type of distinction I'm making here. Not every cop is a complete and total psychopath who actively wants to ruin your life. That doesn't mean the ones who aren't are "good."

I'm not asking you to make a scorecard. I haven't either. Its not clearly defined. But that's the type of scale I'm working with. I am not saying that any cops are good or that any of them can justify what they do.
 
I draw the line very clearly.....

If a man (or woman) dons the costume and accepts pay for waging war on Americans he is evil.

Every man who joined "the force" after this war was declared did so with full knowledge and intent.

Those who were employed when the war was declared and chose to remain so are either cowardly or traitorous....
 
tod evans said:
I draw the line very clearly.....

If a man (or woman) dons the costume and accepts pay for waging war on Americans he is evil.

Every man who joined "the force" after this war was declared did so with full knowledge and intent.

Those who were employed when the war was declared and chose to remain so are either cowardly or traitorous....
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When was the war declared?
 
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