Susan Rice’s White House Unmasking: A Watergate-style Scandal

1) This is out of Trump's hands.

2) Democrats have screwed themselves by doing the political witch hunt against Trump. If Republicans have to go against the deep state to protect themselves they will. I suspect the Democrats will eventually back off from investigating Trump, but if they don't.......
Too late for Dems as the Obama operatives - whether specifically Susan Rice or somebody under her authority with access to the unmasked US citizen(s) identities - feloniously went to the Washington Post with that very privileged intel for political purposes.

23 Dem Senate seats (and two indies) are up for grabs in 2018, so it is best in voter's hands

Susan Rice Was Obama's G. Gordon Liddy
 
No it's not. He could use it to rally public support against the surveillance state. He won't.

:rolleyes: It's out of his hands to the point that the house and senate republicans will push the investigation of Obama officials like Susan Rice as long as house and senate democrats are pushing investigations of the Trump administration.

And are they? Again, they could oppose the surveillance state but won't. They could work to reduce state power in general. But won't. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Again, they are already going after Susan Rice on this issue and they will continue to do so as long as democrats push the issue. If/when democrats back off, republicans will back off. Seriously are you haven't that much trouble following simple politics?

Lots of people have claimed that there was a warrant. The BBC, the Guardian, Breitbart, etc, etc. I can give you links if you're unable to find them.

Have you seen a warrant produced? No? Then whatever you are talking about is fake news put out by stupid people. You don't need a warrant to spy on foreigners. And if a warrant was sought to go after Trump's transition team then that proves Trump's tweet to be false. FBI Director Comey specifically said that no warrants were sought during the Obama administration to go after Trump and/or his team. If your fake news is correct then Comey lied to congress and should be prosecuted.




https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1802

Intercepting the communications of a Russian ambassador or other agents who live and work on American soil and whose purpose is to interact with Americans would not meet the standard for the sort of wiretapping that the President can authorize without a warrant. There would have to be a FISA warrant.

The fact that no one in the administration or any of its various surrogates and leakers are complaining about the warrant leads me to conclude that the collection was done legally. They have now shifted the goal posts to the unmasking of names in the reports because there's nothing improper about the collection.

LOL. Stupid circular reasoning that isn't worth spit. "They could only do this with a warrant, therefore they must have had a warrant." Well then PRODUCE THE DAMN WARRANT!

Absolute ridiculous "conclusion" from someone who is either incompetent or a democratic party hack or both.

Edit: Good grief Count. I just went back and re-read the exchange and I can't believe you are this stupid. I said nobody claimed there was a warrant. And your rebuttal is not an actually claim of an existence of a warrant but a stupid circular conclusion that a warrant must have existed because doing what the Obama administration did without a warrant would be illegal. Hello? Why take off the table that the Obama administration would do something illegal? You just jumped the shark in a big way.
 
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Too late for Dems as the Obama operatives - whether specifically Susan Rice or somebody under her authority with access to the unmasked US citizen(s) identities - feloniously went to the Washington Post with that very privileged intel for political purposes.

23 Dem Senate seats (and two indies) are up for grabs in 2018, so it is best in voter's hands

You're probably right. Rand threw down the gauntlet today. Expect Susan Rice to be called before congress.
 
HAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...

Oh, you're serious?

Well, good luck with that. And for the record, I will happily wear the "Village Idiot" hat in the event I prove mistaken.

Go ahead, mock me sir. (at least I know you will what you say you will, unlike certain members here)
 
:rolleyes: It's out of his hands to the point that the house and senate republicans will push the investigation of Obama officials like Susan Rice as long as house and senate democrats are pushing investigations of the Trump administration.
He seems to be doing a good job so far in working towards the prevention of any investigation whatsoever, in either direction.

Do you suppose that's because the evidence for the assertions of his mouthpieces isn't as solid as they might claim?

Again, they are already going after Susan Rice on this issue and they will continue to do so as long as democrats push the issue. If/when democrats back off, republicans will back off. Seriously are you haven't that much trouble following simple politics?

Is Susan Rice the deep state? Is she still in the government? What position will she be removed from?

Are they attacking her because there's something there to be investigated and pursued, or as yet another layer of smokescreen put up over a steady retreat from their original position - which was that there was no meaningful contact between the campaign and Russian officials - in an attempt to obscure and delay? Based upon their series of unsubstantial previous claims, I lean toward the second option. The fact that you proposed that this issue has only been raised at all because of Democratic claims indicates to me that you agree.

Is there something real to this? Were laws broken? Should violations be pursued? Then pursue the matter. To do otherwise, to make a lot of noise about it but back away from an actual investigation indicates that it's just partisan nonsense.

Beyond that, you aren't addressing my point whatsoever. Pointing fingers and playing party games does nothing to address the underlying issue, which is the power of the government as a whole and the executive branch specifically to conduct such surveillance.


Have you seen a warrant produced? No?

:rolleyes: I guess there's never been warrants at all, ever, from the FISA court because I haven't seen them.

Do you genuinely believe that there is a chance that the collection itself was done in an illegal manner, but that the Trump administration has chosen not to use or disclose the evidence of this, which they now have in their possession? That seems to me to be grossly outside their normal behavior.


You don't need a warrant to spy on foreigners.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6446679#post6446679


If your fake news is correct then Comey lied to congress and should be prosecuted.

With a FISA warrant targeting the Russian officials, their communications with (primarily) Americans are collected legally, Trump's allegation is incorrect, and Comey did not lie to Congress. Or we can make up other, less likely possibilities which do not bear out under a bit of critical thought.


LOL. Stupid circular reasoning that isn't worth spit. "They could only do this with a warrant, therefore they must have had a warrant." Well then PRODUCE THE DAMN WARRANT!


Do you know who does have the ability to produce - or not - the warrant? Trump. Himself.

He hasn't.

What does that indicate to you - the presence of lack of a warrant?


Absolute ridiculous "conclusion" from someone who is either incompetent or a democratic party hack or both.

Edit: Good grief Count. I just went back and re-read the exchange and I can't believe you are this stupid. I said nobody claimed there was a warrant. And your rebuttal is not an actually claim of an existence of a warrant but a stupid circular conclusion that a warrant must have existed because doing what the Obama administration did without a warrant would be illegal. Hello? Why take off the table that the Obama administration would do something illegal? You just jumped the shark in a big way.

The fact that critical thought is offending your delicate sensibilities is your problem, not mine.
 
That sounds harsh. Also think she has little kids.

So do many traitors, enemies, and spies through out history. Why does this matter suddenly? People don't get sent to prison because they don't have kids, they get sent because they committed crimes.
 
So, can we put this next to pizzagate, Clinton foundation money, and the Obama wiretapping claim on the list of definitely happening investigations?

I'm sure that there's other investigations for the list that I can't think of offhand.

Edit:. Oh yeah, forgot election rigging and voter fraud. How are we coming along on those?

Ah, are you glad the raping of children can go on because the elite doing it don't investigate it are you?
 
Ah, are you glad the raping of children can go on because the elite doing it don't investigate it are you?
Yes, yes, that was my point exactly. Very astute of you. I shed a tear of joy every time a child is raped.
 
No one is going to go to jail people ,come on. Has anyone in their lifetimes ever experienced the elite and the corrupt finally getting their punishment ? At most they will give up a little bit of wealth or trow in some scapegoats to take a minor fall ( without any convictions ) and that is about it.
 
No one is going to go to jail people ,come on. Has anyone in their lifetimes ever experienced the elite and the corrupt finally getting their punishment ? At most they will give up a little bit of wealth or trow in some scapegoats to take a minor fall ( without any convictions ) and that is about it.

fwiw, G. Gordon Liddy was sentenced to 20 years,
until Jimmy Carter commuted his sentence to 8 years, making him eligible for parole early.
Liddy got out of prison after serving only four and a half years.

At CRP (Committee to Re-elect the President), Liddy concocted several plots in early 1972, collectively known under the title "Operation Gemstone".
Some of these were far-fetched, intended to embarrass the Democrat opposition.

The psychiatrist's filing cabinet that Liddy et al. broke into is on display in the Smithsonian.
Any room for Hilly's rogue internet server there ?


 
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Susan Rice's demasking request not so routine (?)

Susan Rice's alleged unmasking requests not so routine, ex-officials say

“From my direct experience dealing at this level, that is never done,” retired U.S. Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer told Fox News.
Shaffer has experience in intelligence operations focused on foreign actors in which U.S. citizens’ involvement could surface.

Ex-CIA analyst Fred Fleitz agreed . . .

“Rice’s denials don’t add up,” Fleitz wrote.
“It is hard to fathom how the demasking of multiple Trump campaign and transition officials was not politically motivated.”

Trump hasn't commented extensively since Rice's Tuesday interview,
however, asked by The New York Times if he thought Rice committed a crime Trump said: "Do I think? Yes, I think."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...requests-not-so-routine-ex-officials-say.html


 
Just how far up into the December White House will this go ? Or did Susan Rice act on her own ?

btw, Nixon's Chief of Staff H.R. Haldeman was imprisoned for 18 months
 
He seems to be doing a good job so far in working towards the prevention of any investigation whatsoever, in either direction.

Really? So that's why Flynn resigned and there are currently three investigations going on? Okay. Whatever you say.

Do you suppose that's because the evidence for the assertions of his mouthpieces isn't as solid as they might claim?

What assertions in particular are you talking about? Dude you're babbling. It's obvious that you don't have a logical argument so now you're trying to create strawmen.

Again, the democrats started the investigations. If the investigations of both sides fizzle out, Trump's won. So if having "mouthpieces" not having "solid evidence" is thew way to cause democrats investigations to fizzle, then whatever works.

Is Susan Rice the deep state? Is she still in the government? What position will she be removed from?

More incoherent babble from you. Susan Rice may be guilty of a felony. Being "removed" from a position that she no longer has is the least of her worries. She's now admitted to doing the unmasking. The only question left is was she responsible for the leak.

Are they attacking her because there's something there to be investigated and pursued, or as yet another layer of smokescreen put up over a steady retreat from their original position - which was that there was no meaningful contact between the campaign and Russian officials - in an attempt to obscure and delay? Based upon their series of unsubstantial previous claims, I lean toward the second option. The fact that you proposed that this issue has only been raised at all because of Democratic claims indicates to me that you agree.

So far no one has come up with proof of meaningful contacts. That said, does Susan Rice possibly breaking the law by unmasking U.S. citizens caught up in NSA surveillance of foreign nationals not bother you in the least? Or are you a purely political hack?

Is there something real to this? Were laws broken? Should violations be pursued? Then pursue the matter. To do otherwise, to make a lot of noise about it but back away from an actual investigation indicates that it's just partisan nonsense.

1) Yes. 2) Possibly. 3) Yes. As for the rest of your comments, everything that happens in DC is political. The investigation that the Obama administration started into Trump was purely political. Your point?

Beyond that, you aren't addressing my point whatsoever.

That's because you have yet to make one.

Pointing fingers and playing party games does nothing to address the underlying issue, which is the power of the government as a whole and the executive branch specifically to conduct such surveillance.

LOL. And so the way to deal with government surveillance is to not actually hold anybody accountable because that might be seen as "playing party games." Okay. :rolleyes: You've jumped the shark.

:rolleyes: I guess there's never been warrants at all, ever, from the FISA court because I haven't seen them.

You made a bullshyt assertion with no evidence that there were warrants issued. I hope someday that you are the victim of a warrantless search and when you demand that the warrant be produced the prosecutor simply says "A warrant must have existed because otherwise the police wouldn't have done the search."


Do you genuinely believe that there is a chance that the collection itself was done in an illegal manner, but that the Trump administration has chosen not to use or disclose the evidence of this, which they now have in their possession? That seems to me to be grossly outside their normal behavior.

How do you produce evidence to show that something doesn't exist? :confused: :rolleyes: Susan Rice has been accused of a crime. Do you genuinely believe that if she was acting under a warrant she wouldn't have simply produced the warrant or asserted that she had one?




With a FISA warrant targeting the Russian officials, their communications with (primarily) Americans are collected legally, Trump's allegation is incorrect, and Comey did not lie to Congress. Or we can make up other, less likely possibilities which do not bear out under a bit of critical thought.

The government does not need a warrant to target Russian officials unless it is suspected they are communicating with Americans. In that case the identity of those Americans is supposed to be kept secret. Susan Rice unmasking Trump and members of his team is illegal if she leaked that information. We know that somebody leaked it. Whoever that somebody is committed a felony.
 
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fwiw, G. Gordon Liddy was sentenced to 20 years,
until Jimmy Carter commuted his sentence to 8 years, making him eligible for parole early.
Liddy got out of prison after serving only four and a half years.

At CRP (Committee to Re-elect the President), Liddy concocted several plots in early 1972, collectively known under the title "Operation Gemstone".
Some of these were far-fetched, intended to embarrass the Democrat opposition.

The psychiatrist's filing cabinet that Liddy et al. broke into is on display in the Smithsonian.
Any room for Hilly's rogue internet server there ?





Susan Rice won't need to be subpoenaed though . . . she'll go up to testify on Capitol Hill anyway.


I'll bet . . . well, maybe . . . at least one of the 30 witnesses (counting so far) -
maybe even in the group your guy Schif will toss softballs at in the upcoming Congressional hearings -
is already known as the white guy working for the CRD (Committee to Re-elect a Democrat) . . .
the one who actually disseminated the privileged intel to the Washington Post - the obvious political move demonstrating intent by Rice.
Gowdy might get him to drop a name . . . a la (circa)H.R. Haldeman

So, yeah, you're right Cpud - he will probably have to be subpoenaed.

Gowdy may just get him to go bust on them all . . . all the way up the food chain.




 
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Susan Rice and Obama have sent a thank you note to Trump for bombing Syria.
They are quite relieved that news cycle has suddenly changed to US spreading freedom over there instead of tapping of Americans over here.
 
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