Supreme Court a "Step Closer" to Eroding 4th Amendment

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Yeah not sure where you got that interp.

That is definitely not what Roberts is advocating here.
 
Quoting Article: "In a law review article later that year, Mr. Moran went even further. “My 5-4 loss in Hudson v. Michigan,” he wrote, “signals the end of the Fourth Amendment as we know it.”

Isn't it rather odd how events in time change the values or rules set before our institutions? Here, we have an example that seems to follow that path, one having much danger in store for the general population. That danger finds itself off center in this case, and in my mind, from the place where definitions and meanings actually receive their interpretation.

The question here struggles over the 'rule of exclusion' and how it applies when police make a mistake. As typical, much is taken from case history, court opinion, or even law review opinion. And we are taken with the rather new idea that the Constitution can change, or be eroded by these sources. Why is that so when, after much debate and research rules of operation surface that allow intrusion upon our Rights never surrendered to government.

Consider the source, I believe, where these matters come to the court rooms, or even before in the field of operations. That source is the Fourth Amendment and how it reads. First, it declares that the Rights mentioned "...shall not be violated." Secondly, it declares what is necessary for the operation to be proper. To raid a home, the police need a warrant issued on probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and a declaration of place to be searched, persons or things to be seized.

If the police can not abide by these requirements, how can one say that the operation is even legal? Well, there is that little phrase found in those words "shall not be violated" and they apply to the police. If it's not legal, then it is illegal. If illegal, how can the fruits of one illegal act stand in court before another illegal act? That was just one of the tricks Governor/General Gage used in the British American Colonies before we went to war for Liberty and independence.

Never forget the purpose of the Bill of Rights -- "...in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added." How does the Fourth Amendment do that? It does it with the words, "shall not be violated."

Our police are good enough to do the job without violating the rules. Our judicial system is supposed to be good enough to be confident of the fundamental rules. When neither rely upon that confidence, we have despotism.

Dave
 
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Yeah not sure where you got that interp.

That is definitely not what Roberts is advocating here.

In Herring, Chief Justice Roberts seemed to be advocating those kinds of approaches. “To trigger the exclusionary rule,” he wrote, “police conduct must be sufficiently deliberate that exclusion can meaningfully deter it, and sufficiently culpable that such deterrence is worth the price paid by the justice system.”

That price, the chief justice wrote, “is, of course, letting guilty and possibly dangerous defendants go free.”

What's he advocating?
 
Just reading how Anthony Kennedy is apparently "being courted by the liberal and conservative wings" of the court shows just how polarized the Supreme Court is becoming and how dangerous it's going to be when he retires (or dies). There are four liberals and four conservatives. Bush deliberately made sure that the four conservatives are the most die-heard, far-right neo-cons ever. And now it's likely that during Obama's administration at least two of the liberals will be replaced, and he'll probably appoint people who reach even farther left than their predecessors. Which means we'll have four VERY far Left justices and four VERY far right justices.

So what happens when Kennedy leaves the court? The way things are going / have gone, it's likely that whoever replaces him is going to be either radically far left or radically far right, which means that we'll likely have decades of an extremist court. In the end, this exclusionary rule thing doesn't even matter. It's only a matter of time before ANY interpretation of the Constitution will be upheld, as long as that interpretation meets the litmus test of an extremist wing of one of the major parties.

Sigh.
 
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