Supporters taking it to the next level (rant)

[Cowlesy]

Brad you are a true patriot. Thanks again for you coming to NYC and speaking with our Meetup group whilst in the development stages. Not sure what was said to you about some of us after that fact, but we still respect you as one of the stalwart Ron Paul supporters and support your efforts in spreading his message!

 

[speciallyblend]

Great Post Everyone Should Read This

Read This Original Post Please

 

[LibertasPraesidium]

Thank you

right before i went to bed i was stumbling around some new news posts and i come across the word sheeple. I immediately knew what it was and smiled. this is great, i was hoping someone would post this the people need to know how the rest of us feel.

No long arguments,
Just get the message out.
Ron Paul = Thomas Jefferson Will beat Hilary.
Grassroots campaign = Freedom Siege = Ron Paul Revolution

 

[Tidewise]

Awesome post.

 

[ItDoesNotStopWithRonPaul]

Where is the Community?

Ok. This campaign has serious potential. We CAN win and need to focus our main efforts on it right now. But kind of along the lines of Bradley, I want to throw in my rant.

Where is the community focused around the freedom movement? Where are the Libertarian/Constitutional principles put into action? Why don't we have business coalitions centered on the RP campaign and the freedom movement? Why haven't we put our money where our mouths are and begun to use sound currency? Ever heard of the liberty dollar, the guys who put Ron Paul's face on their currency? Who here can realistically join the Free State Project but hasn't?

Look at my username. It does not stop with Ron Paul. This is just the beginning. If RP wins and gets into the White House, awesome! That IS NOT the end of the rEVOLution. RP will still need massive amounts of support to take this country back. And what if he doesn't win? How will we be prepared to continue this fight? Just like RP's whole philosophy on government, in which things are best handled locally, so will our revolution best be handled at the local levels. That is why growth of community is so important. We ARE going to be attacked eventually by the media, government, IRS, whomever. Liberty is the price of unceasing struggle. Who will we turn to in tough times? Some guy over the internet, or YOUR NEIGHBOR?

We have a GREAT thing going here. This campaign is perhaps the best opportunity for taking back our country through peaceful means in the last century. So let's not lose sight of the forest amongst the trees and move forward with efforts and solutions that build the campaign but also help build longer-term community cohesion that will serve the patriot community in future troubled times.

 

[electrictoothsyndrome]

I agree that we have to be concise and direct in our support of Ron Paul and his presentation to the uninitiated, but I completely disagree in keeping the CFR line entirely out of the picture.

That has been among my most effective arguments. In situations where you have a captive audience or are debating an opponent with an audience, the CFR and Federal Reserve arguments can be very powerful. Of course, you have to master the material first. If you're uncomfortable with it, you're right, it's best just to stick close to the bullet points on the slim jims.

Sometimes there are people who obviously want to know more, and are open to some of the other arguments Ron Paul has made, such as those made in his "Dollar Hegemony" speech (which are VERY powerful). It helps to drive home the fact that this man is an "outsider" because he wants to break up the pow-wow these power brokers have had going on in this country for the last 60+ years.

Listen people, follow your own instincts. If you're Ron Paul supporters, you're obviously intelligent folks. You know when something is hurting him and when something is helping. Do what YOU think is best and don't just adhere to some bureaucracy or conform to some recitation or rehearsed speech. People can sense when they are on the receiving end of something that's been preplanned and premeditated and dictated from outside. They don't like it.

 

[Bradley in DC]

I agree that we have to be concise and direct in our support of Ron Paul and his presentation to the uninitiated, but I completely disagree in keeping the CFR line entirely out of the picture.

That has been among my most effective arguments. In situations where you have a captive audience or are debating an opponent with an audience, the CFR and Federal Reserve arguments can be very powerful. Of course, you have to master the material first. If you're uncomfortable with it, you're right, it's best just to stick close to the bullet points on the slim jims.

Sometimes there are people who obviously want to know more, and are open to some of the other arguments Ron Paul has made, such as those made in his "Dollar Hegemony" speech (which are VERY powerful). It helps to drive home the fact that this man is an "outsider" because he wants to break up the pow-wow these power brokers have had going on in this country for the last 60+ years.

Listen people, follow your own instincts. If you're Ron Paul supporters, you're obviously intelligent folks. You know when something is hurting him and when something is helping. Do what YOU think is best and don't just adhere to some bureaucracy or conform to some recitation or rehearsed speech. People can sense when they are on the receiving end of something that's been preplanned and premeditated and dictated from outside. They don't like it.

Read a summary of this guy's posts to date and decide for yourself if he doesn't come across as some conspiratorial wackjob and decide for yourself if his approach or mine is the better way for us to get Dr. Paul elected:
http://ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=280595&postcount=1
(or take his advice and follow irrational instincts. )

 

[electrictoothsyndrome]

Read a summary of this guy's posts to date and decide for yourself if he doesn't come across as some conspiratorial wackjob and decide for yourself if his approach or mine is the better way for us to get Dr. Paul elected:
http://ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=280595&postcount=1
(or take his advice and follow irrational instincts. )

Perhaps you can devote your next post to explaining how labelling me a "conspiracy wackjob" follows Ron Paul's example of "never mak[ing] personal attacks," "stick[ing] to the issues" and "stress[ing] what unites us."

When your behaviour directly contradicts the very thing you are calling for, it's very hard not to question your motivation for posting this rant. You're right - Ron Paul's example is an excellent one to follow - please start.

follow the good doctor's example. He NEVER makes personal attacks, never denegrates anyone, only sticks to the issues, stresses what unites us--what common values we share.

Yes, there is no shortage of opportunities to mock (even just pointing out the painfully obvious, I know, I know), but that's how we lose. We need converts, lots of converts.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Perhaps you can devote your next post to explaining how labelling me a "conspiracy wackjob" follows Ron Paul's example of "never mak[ing] personal attacks," "stick[ing] to the issues" and "stress[ing] what unites us."

When your behaviour directly contradicts the very thing you are calling for, it's very hard not to question your motivation for posting this rant. You're right - Ron Paul's example is an excellent one to follow - please start.

Perhaps you should read the guidelines here about highjacking threads?

 

[electrictoothsyndrome]

Hijacking? You mean commenting? Debating? Calling you out on your logical fallacies?

You are really starting to remind me of Saul Anzius with all these "throw him out of the debate" threats. You can't hide behind your bloated credentials forever if your actions don't live up to them, Bradley.

Just follow your own advice and you'll be ok. Stop making personal attacks and stress what unites us.

Calling for help from your peers to dismiss me when you're clearly contradicting yourself on every front imaginable is pretty cowardly.

I'm sorry, but I have lost every bit of respect I might have gained for you.

If your goal is to push people away and stifle debate congratulations! You have succeeded.

 

[SouthernGuy15]

Bradly,

Once again I tell you to stop attacking other Ron Paul supporters due to their beliefs. If someone wants to mention how 9/11 was an inside job they have every right to do so.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Bradly,

Once again I tell you to stop attacking other Ron Paul supporters due to their beliefs. If someone wants to mention how 9/11 was an inside job they have every right to do so.

I have protested vigorously people claiming Dr. Paul (or most of his supporters) believes 9/11 was an inside job--which I know for a personal fact is not true. I, and the overwhelming majority of his supporters, share his belief (and well-espoused views on "blowback" etc.). I have repeated on this forum and other places, repeatedly, that those supporting Dr. Paul's agenda of, among other things, a more open, honest and transparent and limited government with a non-interventionist foreign policy are most welcome and I'll do everything I can to help them push his agenda. There are many members of this forum who know this publicly and privately.

More broadly, there has been a persistent problem of others claiming Dr. Paul's good name for their own purposes (commercially, for their own petty power, for bigoted causes, and all kinds of crazy things) that, I do admit, makes me a tad sensitive on that score, yes.

 

[SouthernGuy15]

Bradly,

Then please be more specific. Don't target people for their beliefs. Only target them if they are putting words in Ron Paul's mouth. For example, I completely believe due to overwhelming evidence 9/11 was an inside job. But I have repetitively said that Ron Paul does not agree with me.

To be blunt, there are many supporters of Ron Paul who do indeed believe 9/11 was an inside job or other beliefs you disagree with. As long as they are not putting words in Ron Paul's mouth you should not target them!

If you are targeting those that are NOT putting words into his mouth you are only helping to push away supporters of Ron Paul.

We need to all get along and not fight each other. However, if someone is indeed putting words into his mouth then something should be said. Otherwise, many people like myself will be tremendously offended for being harassed.

 

[electrictoothsyndrome]

Bradly,

Then please be more specific. Don't target people for their beliefs. Only target them if they are putting words in Ron Paul's mouth. For example, I completely believe due to overwhelming evidence 9/11 was an inside job. But I have repetitively said that Ron Paul does not agree with me.

To be blunt, there are many supporters of Ron Paul who do indeed believe 9/11 was an inside job or other beliefs you disagree with. As long as they are not putting words in Ron Paul's mouth you should not target them!

If you are targeting those that are NOT putting words into his mouth you are only helping to push away supporters of Ron Paul.

We need to all get along and not fight each other. However, if someone is indeed putting words into his mouth then something should be said. Otherwise, many people like myself will be tremendously offended for being harassed.

Yep. that's all I've been trying to tell this guy for the last half day... STOP ATTACKING FELLOW SUPPORTERS with your name-calling. It's against everything you say you stand for.

Ron Paul has gained massive popularity on the back of appearances in movies like "American: From Freedom to Fascism" and on shows like Alex Jones that deal with New World Order issues, and other videos where "Police State" is the main theme, not to mention the work he's done exposing the Federal Reserve "conspiracy".

If you told me right now that Dr. Ron Paul no longer wanted us "conspiracy theorist nutjobs" around, or that this all was some elaborate ACT, which I don't think it is, I'd leave this campaign right now.

This is the effect YOU'RE having. You've actually made me, a hardcore and active supporter, question Ron Paul!

I'd still like an answer to my question I sent you... Does Dr. Ron Paul talk about his supporters in private by referring to them as "conspiracy theorist wackjobs" or "nutjobs"?

 

[kill the banks]

one thing is certain in all this ... without limited government constitutional law no one wins but the criminals that overthrow it ... in controversial matters answers come from that same constitution ... we all want a truth based govt not 'a nation of sheep' lie based system ... we all win by using it to resolve solutions to any problem ~ there is no new matter that won't benefit if we elect a founding father who believes in the law of the land and who will not disobey his oath to constitutional order ... it's that or " a big idea ~ a new world order " that only favors feudalism elite ideals and criminal inequities ...

kill the banks

 

[freelance]

I know this is an old thread, but here's the operative sentence:


YOU ARE THE LEADERS and ambassadors, act like it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

bump

 

[jjschless]

bump

 

[inibo]

I was thinking about starting yet another thread on this, but I guess this is the best place to put this. There is a very good article on the "crazy supporter" syndrome on Buck Naked Politics. The problems is the people who read and grok it aren't the ones who are causing the problems. Nevertheless, it is a good read.

"You're too stupid to vote for Ron Paul" isn't a great campaign slogan.

Having watched some local supporters almost get banned from volunteering in the GOP booth at a county fair, seeing a large MeetUp group dissolve because of this kind of behavior and seeing the recent orgy of self destruction here over the NH TV ad, I'm about ready to disengage from the grassroots and just spend time on my own handing out slim-jims, putting up signs and talking to my friends and family.

 

[ClampIt]

PollingPoint omits RP, Huckabee as choices on Hillary poll

There may not be a "criminal conspiracy" media blackout (is it even possible to commit a crime by failing to cover someone?) but it would be extremely naive to claim that, at least before the Q3 results posted, Paul was not the target of a general media blackout. We have examples throughout this forum as proof.

While the media blackout is generally history, we are still dealing with the effects of the poll blackouts (name unmentioned or buried in poll choices).

PollingPoint's omission didn't seem required (it had a long list). Huckabee also wasn't there. I left a comment.