Suggestions on how Rand's campaign can do better

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I hate to say this, but it looks like the Rand Paul campaign is in serious trouble. There is, of course, the disappointing fund-raising news. It isn't that Rand has raised so little money, it's that he has raised little compared to his competition. What would have been a successful effort 4 years ago looks paltry by today's standards. There is hope, of course, that Matt Kibbe's superpac will do better Jesse Benton's has done, and Rand should raise more money more quickly if he rises in the polls.

But there is also the problem of the message. Frankly, I think his latest "chain-saw" video was pretty bad. It made Rand look comical. Look, Rand Paul has been at the top of the charts in Frank Luntz's focus group analyses. So why don't Rand's handlers let Rand be Rand instead of turning him into a late-night axe-murderer.

Then there's the police issue. Rand was among the top three Republicans in the polls until he spoke out against the police in Missouri and in New York City. It might play well among black voters but they don't vote in the GOP primaries, and it's not enough to win them over in November either. Of course, Paul also met with Cliven Bundy who also had his brush with the government and is popular with many GOP conservatives. Rand seemed to be trying to capitalize on a common anti-government sentiment among both blacks and whites. But there's a big difference. Blacks are very dissatisfied with the LOCAL police but look to the federal government for protection. This is hardly surprising given the history of slavery and segregation. But whites are primarily dissatisfied with the federal police, but have a lot more confidence in the local police. I don't think Rand can square that circle. What is a common distrust of certain institutions of government doesn't add up to a common distrust of government as a whole.

But there is another problem. I welcomed the idea of a Ron Paul type candidate who would just be a bit less stridently ideological and a bit more nuanced. Of course, I soon became disappointed that Rand was saying some things that I disagreed with, but I finally concluded that I had accept the fact that Rand couldn't be expected nuance things in exactly the way I wanted them nuanced. However, I now feel that his nuances have been so frequent and pervasive that his campaign has lost any message at all.

Lighter sentences for drug users and NSA surveillance are important issues for a few niche voters, but aren't going to excite masses of Republican voters. I fear the campaign has lost clarity and consistency, and they need to get their act together pretty soon.

I think a great deal hangs on the first debate coming up in August. As the saying goes, "You never get a second chance to make a first impression." I don't think Rand needs to "win" that debate. I'm not sure what that even means. But I do think that Rand does need to make good first impression, and for that he needs clarity and consistency. That will be tough to achieve because Trump will be in that debate, and he will draw most of the attention and most of the fire.

Rand is going to need to come through with a convincing message. Ronald Reagan had a simple technique. He picked just a few main issues and stuck to them. Yes, he opposed abortion, but he didn't talk a lot about it. He was against the Panama Canal Treaty, but he didn't make it a major theme of his campaign. He stuck to cutting taxes, building up our defenses, and de-regulation.

That's what Rand needs to do. He needs to pick out the main themes of his campaign that are of concern to a wide section of the electorate and hammer away as those issues and not get side-tracked by the more marginal issues.
 
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Rand is trying to be this Obama like multi-spectrum flim flam artist and it comes across poor. He should have never deviated from what got him here. You don't mess with success.
 
The medias new talking point, Rand Paul is stalling, floundering ect. Its replaced the I like Ron Paul except his foreign policy.
 
The medias new talking point, Rand Paul is stalling, floundering ect. Its replaced the I like Ron Paul except his foreign policy.

He's lost 5 points nationally since May, which would constitute half his voting share.
 
He's lost 5 points nationally since May, which would constitute half his voting share.

That means nothing trump could be polling 80% and would lose to hillary. Republicans will ellect a shit show candidate because they are dumn and she will win.
 
Rand Paul's defense should be he is working. He's introduced a chit load of legislation over the past few weeks. He's in Washington, getting the job done; not campaigning on taxpayer dollars.

He has a job to do, and he's doing what he was elected to do !! He's no Marco Rubio.
 
Yeah his campaign is having difficulties. I mean look at the Marist/latest poll; he is polling just 4% in NH, 5% in IA and is about 7th place nationally. I'm not sure if the debates can save him. Maybe they can if he does VERY WELL in them like Ron did. But I don't see Rand as interesting to hear as Ron was. I think Trump is taking away Rand's voters. We need to attack him.
 
Strange how these folks with so few posts show up at just the right time to spew this crap.
 
Actually, no he's not.

Trump is sucking the oxygen out of the room so few others are getting press coverage. Trump has nowhere to go but down. Rand is smart and is not peaking early.

Rand's combined SPAC and PCC fundraising are actually very good for a candidate that doesn't have billionaire support.
 
I hate to say this, but it looks like the Rand Paul campaign is in serious trouble. There is, of course, the disappointing fund-raising news. It isn't that Rand has raised so little money, it's that he has raised little compared to his competition. What would have been a successful effort 4 years ago looks paltry by today's standards. There is hope, of course, that Matt Kibbe's superpac will do better Jesse Benton's has done, and Rand should raise more money more quickly if he rises in the polls.

But there is also the problem of the message. Frankly, I think his latest "chain-saw" video was pretty bad. It made Rand look comical. Look, Rand Paul has been at the top of the charts in Frank Luntz's focus group analyses. So why don't Rand's handlers let Rand be Rand instead of turning him into a late-night axe-murderer.

Then there's the police issue. Rand was among the top three Republicans in the polls until he spoke out against the police in Missouri and in New York City. It might play well among black voters but they don't vote in the GOP primaries, and it's not enough to win them over in November either. Of course, Paul also met with Cliven Bundy who also had his brush with the government and is popular with many GOP conservatives. Rand seemed to be trying to capitalize on a common anti-government sentiment among both blacks and whites. But there's a big difference. Blacks are very dissatisfied with the LOCAL police but look to the federal government for protection. This is hardly surprising given the history of slavery and segregation. But whites are primarily dissatisfied with the federal police, but have a lot more confidence in the local police. I don't think Rand can square that circle. What is a common distrust of certain institutions of government doesn't add up to a common distrust of government as a whole.

But there is another problem. I welcomed the idea of a Ron Paul type candidate who would just be a bit less stridently ideological and a bit more nuanced. Of course, I soon became disappointed that Rand was saying some things that I disagreed with, but I finally concluded that I had accept the fact that Rand couldn't be expected nuance things in exactly the way I wanted them nuanced. However, I now feel that his nuances have been so frequent and pervasive that his campaign has lost any message at all.

Lighter sentences for drug users and NSA surveillance are important issues for a few niche voters, but aren't going to excite masses of Republican voters. I fear the campaign has lost clarity and consistency, and they need to get their act together pretty soon.

I think a great deal hangs on the first debate coming up in August. As the saying goes, "You never get a second chance to make a first impression." I don't think Rand needs to "win" that debate. I'm not sure what that even means. But I do think that Rand does need to make good first impression, and for that he needs clarity and consistency. That will be tough to achieve because Trump will be in that debate, and he will draw most of the attention and most of the fire.

Rand is going to need to come through with a convincing message. Ronald Reagan had a simple technique. He picked just a few main issues and stuck to them. Yes, he opposed abortion, but he didn't talk a lot about it. He was against the Panama Canal Treaty, but he didn't make it a major theme of his campaign. He stuck to cutting taxes, building up our defenses, and de-regulation.

That's what Rand needs to do. He needs to pick out the main themes of his campaign that are of concern to a wide section of the electorate and hammer away as those issues and not get side-tracked by the more marginal issues.

Make up your mind. If you want Rand to be Rand, then that means letting him criticize the government not only when its victims are white, but also when they're black. If he loses the support of your racist friends, so be it.
 
It's because of his hubris, and probably his wife's stranglehold on the campaign. Rand's ambition for the presidency was bred even before Ron's 2008 public stunt. Ron was never prepared for such a huge impact he unknowingly created in the liberty movement. Ron's Campaign 4 Liberty was overwhelmed and doesn't know what to do with all the human and financial capitals. Opportunists started to take advantage of C4L for their own benefit. That's the reason why C4L has essentially fizzled out and lost a lot of trusts in the liberty movement.

I think Ron's rise to fame essentially killed Rand's planned presidential run on his own terms. Rand never placed his bet on the liberty movement because there was none. His father sudden famed legacy interfered with that plan. Since then they've squandered so much capitals, that now, all the wealthy and in-the-know libertarians have distant themselves from Rand's campaign. Rand's legacy is killed before he was able to make one for himself. He has become a liability onto himself that now any future attempt is ruined. It's tragic really.
 
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Assuming he gets more than 39 seconds of speaking time in the debates I think he'll do fine. I think his poll numbers can only go up from his debate performance whereas with most other candidates I'm thinking the opposite.
 
Make up your mind. If you want Rand to be Rand, then that means letting him criticize the government not only when its victims are white, but also when they're black. If he loses the support of your racist friends, so be it.

I don't disagree with Rand's remarks. In fact, I think you could argue that Rand's comments were quite courageous. But I'm suggesting that they were not helpful to his campaign, and that opposition to government police among blacks is very different from opposition to government police by most of the whites who stress that issue. I think it would be great if Rand could bring these two together, but I don't think that it's possible politically.
 
Assuming he gets more than 39 seconds of speaking time in the debates I think he'll do fine. I think his poll numbers can only go up from his debate performance whereas with most other candidates I'm thinking the opposite.

That's the problem. With Trump on the stage he might not get more than 39 seconds of speaking time. I think his numbers are likely to go from the debate, but I think other candidates also have a lot of upside potential. Carson seems a lot smarter to me than Herman Cain was four years ago, but Cain did well in the debates. He just couldn't campaign effectively anywhere else.
 
I am solidly with Rand, but you have to admit, Trump doesn't back down from a fight. I want Rand to talk a little tougher and be more confrontational. His remarks need to spawn conversation among voters. I'm with Rand, but I don't have much to give my friends right now.
 
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