Straight Poll: Air Force Ron / Freedom / Liberty

[slantedview]

this is the official poll

 

[mkrfctr]

Well, lets see: First of all, this poll is in direct response to your two polls,
which clearly weren't fair. The first poll you made tried to mix the two names freedom and liberty together ON THE SAME LINES!,
then you excluded air force one in the second poll, adding a whole bunch of needless options, which people other then me complained about.

Also this is quite a bit different then phone polls. You get to read everyone's responses to the poll *if* you want to, both positive and negative, and that includes mine.

Sorry Liberty One is losing, but this is a fair poll. None of the three names have been excluded, none of the names have been co-mingled with each other. Its what should have been polled in the first place. Its a straight poll with three options and and an other.

No one has ever suggested or used "Air Force One" So I'll assume you mean "Air Force Ron" - and if you can read it is very much included on the first poll (link) which was about the name concepts. And it wasn't "excluded" from the second poll - the second poll was to gauge the strength of support for using either the word Freedom or Liberty. If in the name poll "Air Force Ron" pulls ahead, then the second poll isn't really applicable - but seeing as "Freedom/Liberty One" has a massive 2-1 lead over anything else, that's not particularly likely, making the second poll very applicable.

I also answered the question on why they were "co-mingled" in another post (link) - short answer was it was based on concept. They were not "co-mingled", it was an either or, which I think was pretty clear. When someone says He/She people are smart enough to know that means either a He or She - duh. So "Freedom/Liberty One" obviously means the name would be "Freedom One" or "Liberty One" - duh.

Also in the first poll that was for naming concepts there was an area to specify their preference as to whether the word should be Liberty or Freedom. The results were rather evenly matched, hence the reason for the second poll which was to find out the STRENGTH of the support for each word, not simply a simple either or answer which was already in the first poll and that you felt the need to recreate yet again for some reason. That is also explained in that same post (link).

So what is the point of this poll ... ? Because it is not as informative as the other one I made... Is it pretty much because some simpletons thought it was, I guess, what, too complicated(?) to understand the other one... perhaps they've never taken a scale poll that rates their feelings or support on a 1-5 scale. God help them if they get injured and the doctor asks them to rate their pain on a 0-10 scale ("oh no, I'm confused! please just ask if I'm in pain yes or no, that I can answer, but the numbers, the scale... Oh! Now my head is in pain!!") Or maybe everything just has to be exactly black & white, I don't know - perhaps you could explain why you felt this poll was necessary and how it would be helpful... (aside from wanting to directly influence the outcome in your favor... unless that's the only reason, in which case just be honest and say so)

And I have not stated a personal preference in regards to using either Liberty OR Freedom, so I don't know why you are apologizing for whatever the results of this poll is, perhaps I am absolutely for Freedom and I hate Liberty - you don't know.

 

[mkrfctr]

this is the official poll

Well, thank you for your declaration, glad we got that all cleared up

/Mein fuhrer!

 

[Perry]

I think you need to blend a couple and make it liberty force one.

 

[BeFranklin]

Looks like freedom is very popular

Freedom is Popular - Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsLcQiHKhic

 

[slantedview]

Well, thank you for your declaration, glad we got that all cleared up

/Mein fuhrer!

hahah

 

[BeFranklin]

If in the name poll "Air Force Ron" pulls ahead, then the second poll isn't really applicable - but seeing as "Freedom/Liberty One" has a massive 2-1 lead over anything else, that's not particularly likely, making the second poll very applicable.

According to this poll, Liberty One never had a massive lead over Air Force Ron at all, it looks like they were about the same all along.

Guess straightforward polls help see things as they actually are.

FYI: And Freedom One appears to be the only thing that has a massive 2 to 1 lead, so according to your statement, your
second poll is invalid, which is what I said to begin with.

 

[BeFranklin]

Air Force Ron 23 20.18%
Freedom One 63 55.26%
Liberty One 27 23.68%
Other 1 0.88%
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Thats a massive lead by Freedom One, and I think shows why co-mingling
it with another name didn't have any justification.

 

[mkrfctr]

wtf are you smoking BeFranklin?

Look at the name concept poll (the first one) - the concept of "Freedom One" or "Liberty One" is 2-1 ahead of "Air Force Ron." Even this compromised poll shows that, using the numbers you just posted 63+27=90 for using either "Freedom One" or "Liberty One" vs. 23 for using "Air Force Ron". Also the results in that first poll of using "Freedom" vs. using "Liberty are about even. So the second poll is very much valid.

Now the second poll is nearly the same that this one is, namely which is better/more supported, "Freedom One" Or "Liberty One". Yet the one I did shows the same nearly 50-50 balance between "Freedom" and "Liberty" as the first poll - a nice correlation that shows that more likely than not the results in the first poll are accurate, and the results of the second poll are accurate as well.

Yet your poll here is heavily in favor of "Freedom One", an outlier from two different polls that show a 50-50 matchup.

Now there could be a few reasons why there is a difference in results between the two polls that are asking basically the same question, but I contend you are polluting the results of your poll by including "Air Force Ron" when it's not relevant, and by your heavy bias and prompting towards the result you want to obtain.

It's a tainted poll and shows nothing of value. Sorry if you cannot understand how that works.

 

[BeFranklin]

wtf are you smoking BeFranklin?
...
It's a tainted poll and shows nothing of value. Sorry if you cannot understand how that works.

I reported this post for forum violations as well as the other post where you called someone Hitler.

 

[mkrfctr]

hmm since when does my opinion that a poll is tainted and a sarcastical remark that someone invokes the image of hitler by unilaterally declaring one thread to be official constitute a reportable offense... ?

that's some freedom talking right there.

/mein fuhrer
^see also apt since you seem to be for censorship of ideas you don't approve of

perhaps I should report your post for being fascist...

Edit: I guess when you cannot respond to the issues raised you resort to silencing your critics, very telling of you sir, not I.

 

[BeFranklin]

Edit: I guess when you cannot respond to the issues raised you resort to silencing your critics, very telling of you sir, not I.

Silence? You don't have any right to personally insult anyone on these forums. You've accused me of smoking something, many people of being too stupid to understand your polls, and associated someone else with hilter.

I understand exactly what you did. You associated one concept that isn't polling well with another (no justification), and then claimed Air Force Ron isn't polling well (not true, its polling at the same rate as the other).

And then you get mad at me for posting a straightforward poll that shows what you did, and start spouting off insults. I'm not really surprised.

In any regards, I think this is the first *straight forward poll* we have had.

 

[BeFranklin]

Freedom One is now 37 votes ahead of 2nd place candidate now.

 

[BeFranklin]

Almost 40.

 

[RCherryman]

I like Freedom One as my first choice, and Liberty One as my second choice.

 

[pacelli]

Ok, although I'm a Freedom One fan, and think we've won the last 3-4 polls, I'm getting kind-of tired of all the extra choices
on the polls.

This one offers only three choices, only one vote a piece, and you can see who voted for what. Hope my favorite wins again
And yes, I put Air Force Ron back in, it seemed fair.

What connection do you have with the actual blimp project planners? Will this vote decide once and for all?

 

[BeFranklin]

What connection do you have with the actual blimp project planners? Will this vote decide once and for all?

None of these polls on this forum have any official connection at all

It might help get people to figure out which names they prefer though,
if/how/or if ever thats done, so its important to keep this fun

Perhaps they will email something out to people who contributed.
Or maybe they will call it mothership one like on the flight plan...

 

[wisconsinite]

How come on the other poll the combined total for strongly or moderately favoring "liberty" is slightly higher than those strongly or moderately favoring "freedom". And yet this poll shows a 2 to 1 ratio.

Is there another Frank at work here?






Don't take me too seriously, I don't really care what you call the "Ron Paul Blimp".

 

[BeFranklin]

I think there is a reason that the other poll isn't any good (seen by its first version that the second was based off of),
which I guess we can poll for if anyone has any patience left at that point
(beyond the fact that the options "neutral and have no opinion" are the same.)

Freedom One has been polling / soliciting responses like this the whole time.

 

[bootstrap]

liberty won : freedom won

All I care is - when the election is over, we can change the last word to say:

Liberty Won
or
Freedom Won