Stossel - Security vs Liberty

[acptulsa]

Blsht , Illegals come here to collect welfare.

I posted a thread on it, yea, most collect welfare, when it runs out, maybe
some of them 'cut grass' as you say, but Christ , are you not being the racist you pretend
to hate?

Because I accurately identified two of the jobs it's easiest for undocumented workers to get?

Careful. The pot looks mighty silly calling the kettle black. The pot looks like a total ass calling the teapot black.

Socialism is much older than you give it credit for (think about the Jacobins for example) and the Mexican people are part of European culture.

Wait. You want to keep Mexicans out because they won't toe the line with western culture, but western culture is their own?

And you're actually claiming Mexico had a Socialist Party in 1848?

I call bullshyth.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Wait. You want to keep Mexicans out because they won't toe the line with western culture, but western culture is their own?

And you're actually claiming Mexico had a Socialist Party in 1848?

I call bullshyth.

Where did I say anything about "western culture", I want to keep almost everyone out because they won't toe the line with LIBERTY culture.

I didn't say they had a party called "The Socialist Party" I said they were socialists, here is another example (this time from the Americas):

First of all, it is merely an impression that Venezuela was indeed prosperous in a healthy way at some point in the past. The large-scale exploitation of its rich oil reserves, first discovered before the Spanish conquest, began only in 1910. Before, Simon Bolivar’s 1811 decree stated national ownership of all domestic mines and production was minimal at first.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-oil-got-do-it


Mexico enacted many similar socialist policies early on.

 

[TheTexan]

At first I was wondering why border patrol would be stopping white people at all.

Then I realized - Mexicans could have snuck into their trunk without them knowing.

So really it's for their own protection.

 

[acptulsa]

Where did I say anything about "western culture", I want to keep almost everyone out because they won't toe the line with LIBERTY culture.

I didn't say they had a party called "The Socialist Party" I said they were socialists, here is another example (this time from the Americas):

First of all, it is merely an impression that Venezuela was indeed prosperous in a healthy way at some point in the past. The large-scale exploitation of its rich oil reserves, first discovered before the Spanish conquest, began only in 1910. Before, Simon Bolivar’s 1811 decree stated national ownership of all domestic mines and production was minimal at first.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-oil-got-do-it


Mexico enacted many similar socialist policies early on.

So every banana republic dictator who seized a mine was a socialist?

That's amusing.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So every banana republic dictator who seized a mine was a socialist?

That's amusing.

So you don't think that nationalizing private property is socialist?

THAT is amusing.


Mexico and the other Latin American countries do not have and have not had liberty cultures with respect for property rights.

 

[acptulsa]

So you don't think that nationalizing private property is socialist?

THAT is amusing.


Mexico and the other Latin American countries do not have and have not had liberty cultures with respect for property rights.

Theft is theft. A socialist is a thief with an excuse. That does not make every thief a socialist.

If we were to reduce our level of discourse to that we'd never teach anyone anything. No wonder everyone but the most partisan Republicans scares the hell out of you.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Theft is theft. A socialist is a thief with an excuse. That does not make every thief a socialist.

If we were to reduce our level of discourse to that we'd never teach anyone anything. No wonder everyone but the most partisan Republicans scares the hell out of you.

The use of government to steal "on behalf of the people" is socialism and Latin American culture (along with most of the world) is full of it and has been for a long time.

Your attempts to deny socialism are pathetic.

 

[acptulsa]

The use of government to steal "on behalf of the people" is socialism and Latin American culture (along with most of the world) is full of it and has been for a long time.

Your attempts to deny socialism are pathetic.

So, history says socialism was invented by Marx and Engels. But Swordshyll says every king who ever collected a tax and claimed he was going to use the money for the benefit of the community since the beginning of time was socialist.

Gee, I wonder if switching to the History According to Swordshyll might make me look like an idiot? I don't think I'll find out.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So, history says socialism was invented by Marx and Engels. But Swordshyll says every king who ever collected a tax and claimed he was going to use the money for the benefit of the community since the beginning of time was socialist.

Gee, I wonder if switching to the History According to Swordshyll might make me look like an idiot? I don't think I'll find out.

Marx and Engels may have expounded and popularized it as a specific theory but the idea is timeless and the idea is what is important.
We don't want to prevent it here because Marx and Engels get credit for "inventing" it, we want to prevent it here because it is wrong.
In order to prevent it here we must recognize that some cultures embrace it and if we allow many people from those cultures to come here they will impose it on us.

 

[Stratovarious]

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[Stratovarious]

So, history says socialism was invented by Marx and Engels. But Swordshyll says every king who ever collected a tax and claimed he was going to use the money for the benefit of the community since the beginning of time was socialist.

Gee, I wonder if switching to the History According to Swordshyll might make me look like an idiot? I don't think I'll find out.

You are lucky that tos rules are not applied to you.

 

[acptulsa]

We don't want to prevent it here because Marx and Engels get credit for "inventing" it, we want to prevent it here because it is wrong.

We aren't going to talk people out of it by talking like idiots.

 

[Swordsmyth]

We aren't going to talk people out of it by talking like idiots.

So don't talk like one.

 

[acptulsa]

So don't talk like one.

I don't and won't.

If you want to help the cause, your best bet is don't talk at all.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I don't and won't.

If you want to help the cause, your best bet is don't talk at all.

LOL

 

[osan]

Once again, the solution is simple, if inconvenient: travel in heavily armed and ready packs, large enough to give those cowards much to think about.

Imagine, upon hassling the first car, the occupants of the next ten vehicles emerge with AR10s, loaded, unlocked, and ready to defend a member of the group. Those pussies would shut their holes, quit their jobs, and lock themselves in their houses, never to be seen or heard in public again..

But no. Too inconvenient. So SUCK IT, America. Your freedoms are all but lost and still you refuse to act.

We deserve every misery that is heaped upon us, FTW.