Stop Monsanto’s Secret Plan to Kill GMO Labeling Today

[Natural Citizen]

that's ok, I'm sure some dirty hippie so called libertarian tyrannical mercantilist anarchist will swing by this thread and explain the finer points to the both of us.

Specs, I understand your point. I do. I don't support mandatory labeling either. But this bill and the interests behind it are dangerous to the principles that our founders scribbled up. And people need to wake up. I negged you earlier in a complete spur of the moment, good old fashioned, pissed off at the entire thing, kind of way and certainly you didn't deserve to get that just because I was in a bad mood. And so, I'm sorry for doing that to you. I'll fix it when I spread some around. I never neg, for what it's worth.

 

[Natural Citizen]

that's ok, I'm sure some dirty hippie so called libertarian tyrannical mercantilist anarchist will swing by this thread and explain the finer points to the both of us.

I'd rather the ones who claim to defend science come along. Very few of us here are Phds in the fields and those who tend to defend "science" just to make noise are NOT. In any way. At ALL.

 

[libertygrl]

How do you know that it isn't gmo? Essentially it is doing just that. It removes the consumers means to know what they are buying via law. Essentially voiding their participation in a genuine free market.

Gosh. Some of the so called libertarians seem far more dangerous to humanity than any dictator that I've ever heard about.

Anything becomes dangerous when it becomes too extreme. You have to find a balance. But you'll never find a balance with the likes of Monsanto. If they don't want people to know which products are genetically modified, then I think they need to be forced to label them. They've been pushing the people and the people are shoving back. Afterall, aren't we being forced to consume food without knowing what we're eating? If you're manufacturing poison, by law aren't you required to label the dangers? GMO's are poison and if they're not going to label it so I can make an informed decision, then I think they should be forced to do so.

 

[specsaregood]

Afterall, aren't we being forced to consume food without knowing what we're eating?

Somebody is force feeding you food of unknown origin and content!?! Well who is this person? I think it should be stopped ASAP.

 

[CaptUSA]

Afterall, aren't we being forced to consume food without knowing what we're eating?

What specs said.

Listen, all kinds of corporations do things we don't like. The answer is to stop buying from them. Not to force them, through the use of a government, to do things the way you want. And the idea that you don't know what you're buying just falls flat. You can easily buy food that is labeled "non-GMO". If it is not labeled, and you feel strongly about it, either perform your own research or don't buy it.

I have greater confidence in the market than I do in government. I don't need a government-imposed warning label on cigarettes to know smoking is bad for me.

 

[specsaregood]

I have greater confidence in the market than I do in government.

And the free market option is even more reliable and trustworthy than the govt option in this specific example!
eg:
The private non profit non-gmo project label requires actual testing (where they actually check to see if the gmo genes are in the product) before it is approved to be used.

The govt USDA Organic label technically can't be used where there are gmo ingredients, however NO TESTING is performed. It requires explicitly on supply chain records and documentation to trust that the ingredients are non-gmo.

If one actually really cares about such a thing, I think it is clear that the govt label is not sufficient, whereas the private free market option goes much further.

 

[donnay]

What specs said.

Listen, all kinds of corporations do things we don't like. The answer is to stop buying from them. Not to force them, through the use of a government, to do things the way you want. And the idea that you don't know what you're buying just falls flat. You can easily buy food that is labeled "non-GMO". If it is not labeled, and you feel strongly about it, either perform your own research or don't buy it.

I have greater confidence in the market than I do in government. I don't need a government-imposed warning label on cigarettes to know smoking is bad for me.

Yeah, okay.

These 10 Companies Control Enormous Number Of Consumer Brands

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/consumer-brands-owned-ten-companies-graphic_n_1458812.html

 

[Mr Tansill]

Anything becomes dangerous when it becomes too extreme. You have to find a balance. But you'll never find a balance with the likes of Monsanto. If they don't want people to know which products are genetically modified, then I think they need to be forced to label them. They've been pushing the people and the people are shoving back. Afterall, aren't we being forced to consume food without knowing what we're eating? If you're manufacturing poison, by law aren't you required to label the dangers? GMO's are poison and if they're not going to label it so I can make an informed decision, then I think they should be forced to do so.

^^^This.

What Monsanto has done, is created a situation where they have enabled misrepresentation by omission to be the default standard. Since when can someone sell a product without telling you what is in it? People in this country don't have the right to misrepresent their products; when such behavior is engaged in, we refer to that as false advertising. The fact of the matter is that labeling laws were developed back in an era before food products and other basic crops were genetically modified - i.e. when a label said that corn, spinach, or wheat was in something, that meant those crops were in it specifically. Now, things have changed, and the powerful corporations who want to avoid backlash would like the status quo to remain because it allows them to hide amongst "normal" products. Every argument regarding cost to implement such a scheme is completely specious - Monsanto has plenty of resources to track down simple farmers for "patent violations" (an equally ridiculous notion); it has plenty of resources to properly label their food.

The crux of the argument isn't that these corporations have to be forced to label their produces...just walk down any isle in the supermarket and you'll see that they already are. The crux of the argument is that food companies don't want to include certain ingredients on the label.

 

[donnay]

The sad thing is, the corporations are running the country. And no one seems to care. *SIGH*

 

[Working Poor]

There are a lot of food companies that label their food non GMO and Organic look for them and support them as far as I am concerned it is the only way to know. Monsanto is never going to allow for labeling it's products.

 

[specsaregood]

The sad thing is, the corporations are running the country. And no one seems to care. *SIGH*

And its comments like that ^ and others in the thread that make me think the push for these labeling laws is less about public knowledge and health and more of a desire to be punitive against those corporations.

 

[angelatc]

And its comments like that ^ and others in the thread that make me think the push for these labeling laws is less about public knowledge and health and more of a desire to be punitive against those corporations.

Absolutely right. A government mandate for anything on Ron Paul Forums is hypocritical . These are the liberals unmasking. They don't need reason, they just use force.

 

[donnay]

And its comments like that ^ and others in the thread that make me think the push for these labeling laws is less about public knowledge and health and more of a desire to be punitive against those corporations.

You really need to stop getting all butt-hurt when someone says; "Corporations." Have you ever done any research into former Monsanto employees in government positions? Right now I am picking on Monsanto (for good reason), but there are 5 other Biotech Corporations that have way too much intimacy with government for my liking as well.

Again, I had an S-Corp when I owned my business--most people are wise to incorporate their business for tax breaks and to separate business from personal property liability. If we had a truly free market, open to REAL competition and transparency these corporations wouldn't have a prayer.

References:
http://mises.org/library/monsanto’s-friends-high-places
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Monsanto
https://www.organicconsumers.org/old_articles/monsanto/news.php
http://www.globalresearch.ca/monsanto-controls-both-the-white-house-and-the-us-congress/5336422
http://readersupportednews.org/news...monsanto-employees-in-the-halls-of-government
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/monsanto.html
http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/06/its-a-monsanto-government/
http://www.nationofchange.org/monsanto-has-taken-over-usda-1368111215
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/meet-monsantos-number-one-lobbyist-barack-obama/
http://www.whale.to/a/monsanto_revolving_door.html

 

[specsaregood]

You really need to stop getting all butt-hurt when someone says; "Corporations."

Well actually, that had nothing to do with my comment. A lot of the comments made in this thread and others make it sound like some want to use legislation as a punitive action against corporations they don't like. Using the market and simply not buying their products isn't enough...

 

[Natural Citizen]

Well actually, that had nothing to do with my comment. A lot of the comments made in this thread and others make it sound like some want to use legislation as a punitive action against corporations they don't like. Using the market and simply not buying their products isn't enough...

It looks to me like these corporations are penning law and infiltrating government to legislate their growth model upon the people. This corporate legislation is empowetring the fed over the state. And they're doing it by way of the fed. We call the merge of corporation and state fascism. We call it fascism because that is what it is in the real world.

Specs, you seem fond of criticizing comments but you don't seem to want to look at the issue here. In fact, your comments completely avoid the issue.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Absolutely right. A government mandate for anything on Ron Paul Forums is hypocritical . These are the liberals unmasking. They don't need reason, they just use force.

This bill is a corporate penned, government mandate that enables the Federal government to override the state and the people. A corporation penned this. And I think that you're one of the biggest hypocrites on the board. You're a fake. You have very little room to run your pie hole about others. At all.

 

[specsaregood]

Specs, you seem fond of criticizing comments but you don't seem to want to look at the issue here. In fact, your comments completely avoid the issue.

Because we are in agreement that the law discussed in the OP is bad, and shouldn't be passed and if people in states want to pass restrictive anti-freedom mandatory labeling laws then they should be allowed to do just that and the fed has no business overruling it.

I mean, I guess I could just post: "+thumbsup, stop this law" and then leave the thread. but I thought this was a discussion forum where anything other than personal attacks and porn was fair game.

 

[donnay]

Well actually, that had nothing to do with my comment. A lot of the comments made in this thread and others make it sound like some want to use legislation as a punitive action against corporations they don't like. Using the market and simply not buying their products isn't enough...

These corporations are in the pockets of legislatures to go against us!

How do you propose a boycott when no one knows what's in their food? I have mentioned many times before (as well as many other posters) the strangle-hold the 10 major food corporations have on people's will. How about the 6 major Biotechs who control agriculture and legislature? <---This is the REAL problem. Not only that, those farmers who do not want to do business with these evil bastards have to worry about their food becoming contaminated by those who want to grow GMO's and use their nasty pesticides and herbicides. I am talking about our air and our ground water being poisoned, as well. These are not isolated concerns in any way, shape, or form.

The only way to stop this madness is by making people aware of these practices so that they can investigate for themselves and make the educated decisions to stay away from Big Agra's deceptions and try to go local (not global) and make sure the farmers and ranchers, in their area, are aware as well.

I just hope people wake up quickly because these bastards are set to destroy our food sources--and once that happens we are totally screwed.

“Con*trol oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.“
~ Henry Kissinger

 

[specsaregood]

These corporations are in the pockets of legislatures to go against us!

And the answer is more government from the same legislatures.

How do you propose a boycott when no one knows what's in their food?

I know what is in my food. If the food you are eating has: Corn, Soy, Canola, Sugarbeet, Papaya, or Squash in it and it is not labeled Organic or Non-GMO (or other independent labels), then it is GMO. How hard is that?

I have mentioned many times before (as well as many other posters) the strangle-hold the 10 major food corporations have on people's will.

And yet I can go to any of the grocery stores in my area and buy a weeks worth of groceries and easily avoid ALL foods with gmo in them.

The only way to stop this madness is by making people aware of these practices so that they can investigate for themselves and make the educated decisions to stay away from Big Agra's deceptions and try to go local (not global) and make sure the farmers and ranchers, in their area, are aware as well.

It is already quite possible for anybody that actually cares. The problem is you don't like that people don't actually care, you want to ram it down their throats and would probably be happy forcing them to put skull and crossbones icons on any foods containing gmo.

If you need help finding non-gmo products at the store, if I'm ever up in NH I would be more than happy to go the store with you and point out all the stuff that is free of gmo.

 

[CaptUSA]

I know I'm going to piss some people off, but this is what I've been hearing on this board lately:

Believing "Corporations are evil" does NOT mean that "Government needs involved". Government will not make them any less evil; it will only increase the power of both. Mandatory labeling is not necessary.