Stop Calling the Iowa GOP!

[mport1]

Sometimes I think some of Ron Paul's supporters are attracted to him simply because they believe he will be a perpetual losing underdog as the result of conspiracies and it gives them something to raise hell over and they take a perverse pleasure in that. I don't know if this is people who feel persecuted themselves in their own lives but it is really growing old.

Even the front runners are the subject of negative press, on a much more regular basis. And if I were the press I would think twice about even running a positive piece on Ron Paul lest someone find a misplaced comma and a barrage of threatening emails and phone calls were to result. I would think twice if I were organizing a debate to invite him lest someone find the lighting on his tie to be to their distaste.

Grow some skin people! There is nothing more unattractive than people who have exaggerated ideas that they are being persecuted. No one wants to be around them nor hear anything they have to say. They are the kind of people everyone else in the office or in the classroom talks about behind their backs. You will be treated exactly like you regard yourself. This is REALITY.

Ron Paul needs supporters who will be continually upbeat about him and his chances of winning, who believe he WILL beat the odds or whatever obstacles are put in front of him because he has a winning message, not because he has a pack of attack dogs, and who will roll with the punches and not get their panties and briefs in a bunch every time someone else says something about him they don't agree with. Life and campaigns are not perfect but no one likes whiners.

DITTO!

 

[paulitics]

What I don't understand is why anyone has felt the necessity to tell the Iowa GOP WHO you are supporting, when calling in about the Diebold machines. What does it have to do with the point of the call, anyway?

exactly. This is a bipartisan issue.

 

[Badger Paul]

Please don't destoy the thing we all love with mindless zealotry. Everyone clam down and get back to work helping RP?

 

[ThePieSwindler]

Please don't destoy the thing we all love with mindless zealotry. Everyone clam down and get back to work helping RP?

I agree - all the negative energy could be converted to positive energy to help further the cause. CALL IOWANS i just made my first couple phone calls - i was nervous as hell but we NEED to do it.

 

[WannaBfree]

It boggles my mind that some would think it is wrong to question the GOP about their use of voting machines which have been proven to be hackable. This isn't a Ron Paul issue - it's an issue about free elections in our country and should concern every American. At the very minimum the GOP made a bad decision to use these machines. They should get feedback for this.

Those of you who believe that this is all just paranoid conspiracy stuff should educate yourself. Here are some videos:

Rigged USA Elections Exposed (12 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2615703918066275099

Princeton University Exposes Diebold Flaws (10 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6590793631232799613

Bush Family Fortunes (60 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8187301869971500776

Vote Fraud website:
http://www.votefraud.org/

Much more info can be found searching 'diebold' or 'vote fraud'.


"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." - Stalin

 

[ThePieSwindler]

It boggles my mind that some would think it is wrong to question the GOP about their use of voting machines which have been proven to be hackable. This isn't a Ron Paul issue - it's an issue about free elections in our country and should concern every American. At the very minimum the GOP made a bad decision to use these machines. They should get feedback for this.

Those of you who believe that this is all just paranoid conspiracy stuff should educate yourself. Here are some videos:

Rigged USA Elections Exposed (12 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2615703918066275099

Princeton University Exposes Diebold Flaws (10 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6590793631232799613

Bush Family Fortunes (60 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8187301869971500776

Vote Fraud website:
http://www.votefraud.org/

Much more info can be found searching 'diebold' or 'vote fraud'.


"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." - Stalin

As i've said earlier in the thread, it IS an issue we need to hold them accountable for. Unfortunately, it was approached the wrong way. It needed to have been approached from the standpoint of "concerned citizens" worried about hacking and failure of the Diebold machines. Instead, it was approached as a Ron Paul issue by many, and now even if you DO call and mention it respectfully as a concerned citizen, it will be assumed that you are another Ron Paul "fanatic". Now that its attached to his name, its a problem. If the calls had been made from the proper approach of general concern from the get-go, i would advocate continuation of calls. Unfortunately its too late for that now.

What REALLY miffs me is not the use of the diebold, but the fact that the Iowa GOP has openly stated that they will not have a recount. If you're going to use these machines, fine, but at LEAST have a paper trail. The fact that they are refusing to have a hand recount, and that other campaigns are ok with that, reeks of something fishy. But we CANNOT alienate ourselves from the Iowa GOP either.

 

[Tofubadguy]

I agree there is cause for concern. I think everyone SHOULD call and complain. BUT DON'T FREAKING TELL THEM WHO YOU WANT TO WIN. That should not be a topic that even comes up.

I agree completely. First of all where's the god damned link to any official blog or Ron Paul centric/endorsed info site? I have seen copy and paste myspace alerts about this message from Jeff Frazee, I've seen the same text copy and pasted here too.... without any link to any official or very involved site in the Paul campaign that endorses this message from Jeff Frazee.

I can see the wisdom in the message it self and do think there is something redeeming in it's reason for being. But number 1, Where is the message from? Where was it posted to besides freaking myspace? And where the endorsement for this message from headquarters?

I haven't called them yet and wouldn't anyway, but why is this linkless message gaining so much blind support? I see sheeple.

LINK!!!!!!!

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

The people who are paranoid about the Diebold machines need to chill out. They wont need to rig the elections if you continue to turn people off with your conspiracy theorist rantings. GET A GRIP

 

[ThePieSwindler]

The people who are paranoid about the Diebold machines need to chill out. They wont need to rig the elections if you continue to turn people off with your conspiracy theorist rantings. GET A GRIP

Agreed, they would probably only rig it if Ron paul was really seen as a threat. They do rig them (the owner of Diebold Election Machines said "we need to do everything we can to get Bush in the white house" back in 2004) but they aren't going to go after someone who is a 2nd tier candidate at this point. It still REALLY bothers me that there is no accountability and they refuse to be accountable, but it doesnt automatically mean they are out to get Ron.

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

Those scumbags will do anything to stop us ANYWAY...so why are you worried about upsetting them!...

They intend to rig these machines and those of you who dont speak up now will feel like fools if Ron Paul gets just 3% because the machines were rigged

People like you turn off 10 people for every 1 that I turn onto the Paul campaign.

Not everyone is out to get us or Ron Paul. This is not the X-Files

Do you have proof that they intend to rig the machines? No. In fact, they probably will not need to if we continue to alienate the leaders of the GOP and the average voter.
What is this? The LaRouche campaign? Some people are certainly acting like his supporters

 

[Man from La Mancha]

All this is a good learning and adjustment kind of thing for Ron and all of us. This is only the first semi official battle we have to face and next time there won't be as many unknowns. I will be very curious how this plays out so I can figure what to do next time. I really like these forums. I get see view points I haven't considered.

 

[PatriotOne]

It boggles my mind that some would think it is wrong to question the GOP about their use of voting machines which have been proven to be hackable. This isn't a Ron Paul issue - it's an issue about free elections in our country and should concern every American. At the very minimum the GOP made a bad decision to use these machines. They should get feedback for this.

Those of you who believe that this is all just paranoid conspiracy stuff should educate yourself. Here are some videos:

Rigged USA Elections Exposed (12 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2615703918066275099

Princeton University Exposes Diebold Flaws (10 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6590793631232799613

Bush Family Fortunes (60 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8187301869971500776

Vote Fraud website:
http://www.votefraud.org/

Much more info can be found searching 'diebold' or 'vote fraud'.


"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." - Stalin

I am sitting here wondering how fast I can sell my house and move out of the country after seeing how so many people on this board are worried about alienating the very same Iowa GOP that that is intentionally using voting machines know to be manipulated to steal elections. The complacency on this board is seriously disheartening and I am shaking my head in wonder at the ignorance of those advising everyone to just calm down and see what happens and play by their rules. I don't know how they expect anything is going to be different than the past stolen elections with this attitude of worrying about "offending the criminals". Ugh...I think I will start Googling Costa Rica....

 

[Man from La Mancha]

People like you turn off 10 people for every 1 that I turn onto the Paul campaign.

Not everyone is out to get us or Ron Paul.

Do you have proof that the intend to rig the machines? No. In fact, they probably will not need to if we continue to alienate the leaders of the GOP and the average voter. What is this? The LaRouche campaign? Some people are certainly acting like his supporters

Beg to differ, there is over 10 years of provable vote fraud. It has be addressed at every kind of voting machine vote. It is a conspiracy in the true definition of the word but is not the brainwashed term "conspiracy" that now means one who is nuts and should be ignored.

.

 

[paulitics]

What REALLY miffs me is not the use of the diebold, but the fact that the Iowa GOP has openly stated that they will not have a recount. If you're going to use these machines, fine, but at LEAST have a paper trail. The fact that they are refusing to have a hand recount, and that other campaigns are ok with that, reeks of something fishy. But we CANNOT alienate ourselves from the Iowa GOP either.

I agree, and their whole attitude raises a red flag. This process could have been done a dozen different ways, but they are choosing the road with the least accountability. Why?

I have my own opinions on this as well as this whole straw poll. I would be lying if I said I wasn't disenchanted, and based on their actions thus far, I have little confidance in the ethics of this straw poll.

But I agree that we should have approached this differently. The problem with grassroots is its entirely haphazard, there is never any orgainzed strategies. You get a couple of overzealous people, and it can become counterproductive.

I am in favor of an exit poll however. It is the least confrontational. Heck, this is a big event, and I'm sure exit polling is not anything unusual and will give US an idea if there was foulplay. Only if the discrepency is significant, should we even cry wolf. A sore loser approach, after the fact, can devestate us.
But even better, is their maybe an unbiased 3rd party, private organization that could conduct a straw poll for us? We may, not have any credibility, I mean afterall we are biased. Anyone else like that idea?

 

[LibertyEagle]

No one is complacent, PatriotOne. Campaign HQ asked us to stop, so don't you agree that we should do what they asked? It probably would have been just fine for us to call, but apparently some were telling the Iowa GOP that they were RP supporters and it was causing blowback towards the campaign.

 

[Nefertiti]

Quit twisting our words! Dissociating Ron Paul from the voting machines issue doesn't mean we don't believe that the voting machines issue is important. Read the forum topic: Ron Paul News and Discussion. Ask yourself how voting machines has anything to do with Ron Paul specifically, and then move the discussion of the voting machines to a more appropriate forum if you wish to discuss it.

 

[xita]

If you want to crusade about Debloid or Any Conspiracy theories - No matter how true you think they are:

Do NOT attach the Ron Paul Brand to it.

 

[ThePieSwindler]

If you want to crusade about Debloid or Any Conspiracy theories - No matter how true you think they are:

Do NOT attach the Ron Paul Brand to it.

ouch dude plz don't do that hurts mah eyez


666 posts, bitches.

 

[kylebrotherton]

I've heard from people close to the campaign that they're dealing with this, and we should focus on what they've asked us to focus on.

Just because it makes you feel good, doesn't mean your helping.

 

[Mort]

This forum is for electing Ron Paul. If the campaign asks us to do something, we do it!
Complaining about Diebold doesn't get us anywhere. There is no way we get all the machines changed in a short amount of time.