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[ronpaulforchange]

I was pleasantly surprised when I discovered that Gary Johnson is participating in the presidential debate tonight! I absolutely loved it when Ron Paul and Gary Johnson both answered questions last time. They are an absolutely amazing team.

Ron Paul mostly uses deontological libertarian arguments about personal liberty and individual rights. They are solid arguments and tend to resonate with crowds just by putting into perspective what infringement of liberty is. For example, he made those comments about the 1st amendment and spoke about consistently applying liberty in other contexts like drug use. He holds his own even when others disagree with him. In fact, Ron Paul seems to gain more fans the more he disagrees with the other Republicans.

Gary Johnson, on the other hand, uses more consequentialist libertarian arguments and they are solid. He rattles a plethora of statistics and percentages about crime rates and costs off of the top of his head. Ron Paul makes the cake and Gary Johnson put the icing on it.

When your questions are limited to 30 seconds and you are the only libertarian on stage, you have to suppress a lot of philosophic ammo. Gary Johnson is not a substitute for Ron Paul. He is an exemplary complement.

 

[Napolitanic Wars]

They are an absolutely amazing team.

He is an exemplary complement.

Umm, I'd like to believe you, but Johnson has done nothing to indicate he's on Ron's team. He has neo-conned a lot of his positions and has tried to split the vote from Paul supporters.

If Johnson does in fact help Ron, on stage or in the campaign, I would be the first to donate to him..............for his run for Senate.

 

[ItsTime]

Lets see if Johnson is the real deal and helps Ron on stage or if he is a self promoting jackass.

 

[Billay]

Umm, I'd like to believe you, but Johnson has done nothing to indicate he's on Ron's team. He has neo-conned a lot of his positions and has tried to split the vote from Paul supporters.

If Johnson does in fact help Ron, on stage or in the campaign, I would be the first to donate to him..............for his run for Senate.

Word? Like going to the Paul convention a few years ago and praising Ron?

 

[BuddyRey]

I have a tendency to agree with the OP. Gary's presence in the debate is a net positive for Ron, even though it's probably unintentional on his part. Having double the libertarian representation there was great during that first debate, especially as you said, since one candidate argues liberty so well from a Natural Rights perspective and the other appeals to the pragmatic streak in Republicans by explaining why controversial tactics like decriminalizing drugs are also good for their pocketbooks.

 

[speciallyblend]

I have a tendency to agree with the OP. Gary's presence in the debate is a net positive for Ron, even though it's probably unintentional on his part. Having double the libertarian representation there was great during that first debate, especially as you said, since one candidate argues liberty so well from a Natural Rights perspective and the other appeals to the pragmatic streak in Republicans by explaining why controversial tactics like decriminalizing drugs are also good for their pocketbooks.

Paul/Johnson 2012 Bring Our Troops Home

 

[phesoge]

I hope both of them make the case for non-interventionism. It definitely sets us apart, and with the establishment borrowing all of Paul's position every day we need a something like that.

 

[spudea]

Johnson's inclusion is for the sole purpose of hurting Ron Paul. TPTB hope to associate Ron Paul with an unpopular, unknown, un-republican, unelectable candidate.

I think Gary Johnson is a good guy, but I don't think he helps Ron Paul because of the control the media has to manipulate the viewers. And for this reason, I want Gary Johnson out of the debates and out of the race.

 

[Brown Sapper]

If Johnson gains traction we gain traction the more we pull to the right the less chance they would go back to the neocons. If Johnson drops out they will be ours.

 

[ronpaulforchange]

I created this thread before the debate began. The debate is over, so here are a couple facts about tonight's debate: Gary Johnson said he would pick Ron Paul as his running mate for the "game" question at the end of tonight's debate. In the beginning, Gary explicitly rejected the question of why he would be a better candidate than Ron.

I do not think trashing Gary Johnson, a huge fan of Ron Paul, is at all cool; it is just acting politically cut throat and nasty like many Washington D.C. jerks do.

 

[FlatIron]

Paul/Johnson 2012 Bring Our Troops Home

Johnson is not a supporter of a neutral policy

 

[Brown Sapper]

I do not think trashing Gary Johnson, a huge fan of Ron Paul, is at all cool.

I hope I didn't come off as bashing, but there can only be one. Johnson is definately my number two pick. Hopefully they're the last two standing.

 

[LirvA]

I created this thread before the debate began. The debate is over, so here are a couple facts about tonight's debate: Gary Johnson said he would pick Ron Paul as his running mate for the "game" question at the end of tonight's debate. In the beginning, Gary explicitly rejected the question of why he would be a better candidate than Ron.

I do not think trashing Gary Johnson, a huge fan of Ron Paul, is at all cool; it is just acting politically cut throat and nasty like many Washington D.C. jerks do.

Agreed. Gary Johnson is a friend to liberty, and can only help Ron Paul.

 

[LirvA]

Check out this vid Gary Johnson uploaded tonight

 

[TRIGRHAPPY]

Gary Johnson did well tonight, and he made Ron Paul look VERY good. I do sort of wish Ron Paul would have taken the "who on the stage would be ur vp" question and made the most of it.... Something along the lines of "Well, besides myself there is only one individual on the stage that actually supports small, constitutional government, and that's Gary Johnson. While I do believe the others make great politicians, the country needs leaders willing to defend the constitution."

 

[banks11]

I want Gary Johnson out of the debates and out of the race.

That doesn't go well with the principle of Liberty dude, I hope with reflection you just didn't phrase yourself correctly.

PRINCIPLE is why WE support Ron, and sadly I have to say Dr Paul disappointed me quite a bit tonight on the VP question.
I know candidates have to be tactful, there where ways of picking Gary without hindering the campaign but Ron could AT LEAST have said THANK YOU.
It would have even been more principled to say what Ron said, that it would not be correct of him to pick at this moment but add that polite thank you and PRINCIPLED acknowledgment that Gary is on the side of Liberty.

Maybe he will contact Gary privately but that still leaves supporters not understanding.I am really having a problem with this and would appreciate your insight, info, or other...

 

[kill the banks]

Check out this vid Gary Johnson uploaded tonight

v interesting thx

 

[CaptainAmerica]

My opinion is that Gary Johnson...mr 0.02 percent is there to dilute the time Ron Paul gets.

 

[Wren]

Check out this vid Gary Johnson uploaded tonight

I wasn't going to watch it, but my curiosity got the best of me and I ended up liking it despite being firmly against Johnson's presence in this election. This video showed him as a gentleman to go so far as to include Ron Paul in your own ad. He was gentlemanly in the debate as well, I respected that. The end goal is liberty for some but in the end we must unite behind one man, that's what it comes down to. I appreciate his humility, but if Johnson stays in until the NH primary, I and many others are not going to be happy.

 

[brenton]

Check out this vid Gary Johnson uploaded tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0J04iO2JGw

+rep
gary johnson is awesome.