Still No Crash: Were Austrian Economists Wrong about the Dollar? – Robert Murphy

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Still No Crash: Were Austrian Economists Wrong about the Dollar? – Robert Murphy

Source: LibertyChat.com

By Robert Murphy

Critics of the U.S. government often warn of the dangers of “fiat money.” Indeed, ever since the Richard Nixon severed the dollar’s gold backing (in 1971), many proponents of “hard money” have warned about a dollar crash. This has led critics of these “gold bugs” to laugh at their seemingly erroneous predictions and crankish views. In the present post I’ll walk through some of the main issues in this area. As we’ll see, the “gold bugs” may have the last laugh.

Under the classical gold standard, the U.S. dollar was convertible into gold at the rate of $20.67 per ounce. When FDR came into office in 1933, he took the dollar off this strict peg and confiscated the nation’s gold. (The famous gold depository at Fort Knox was actually constructed in order to store the gold stolen from Americans.) Eventually the dollar was locked into a stable convertibility ratio of $35 per ounce, which lasted throughout the Bretton Woods era following World War II. Under this arrangement, regular citizens had no right to turn in their paper dollars for gold, but other central banks could do so. The rest of the world was encouraged to use dollars—not gold—as their reserve, because (they were told) the dollar itself was as good as gold.

The huge government expenditures of the late 1960s—including the Vietnam War and LBJ’s “War on Poverty”—caused the Federal Reserve to issue new dollars in order to purchase the federal government’s bond issues. In other words, it was the time-honored method of government turning to the printing press (indirectly in this case) to cover its budget deficits during wartime. Other governments began to get nervous, notably France, and began sending their dollars back to the U.S. for redemption in gold. This eventually put the U.S. government in a position of either slowing its monetary inflation (and hence cutting its spending), or abandoning its commitment to redeem dollars in gold. Nixon opted for the latter in 1971.

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The Austrian who spent the most time and mental effort actually applying the insights and principles of Austrianism to the field of investing was Harry Browne. And no, he wasn't wrong.

Other Austrians with more shallow approaches, yes, have been shown by reality to be fundamentally misguided and have lost people following their approaches a lot of money.
 
Austrian Economist and Gold/Silver Seller Peter Schiff is NEVER wrong
 
I'll be bumping this thread some day and you will all be laughed at.
 
The dangers of fiat money are real. This has been proven over and over.

Whether the currency crashes or not depends on how hard the central bank runs the printing presses. But history has never seen the fiat currency that didn't crash, at some rate or another. And though the crash has been too slow to really be called a crash, the Federal Reserve's poor excuse for a so-called 'dollar' has lost some ninety-five percent of its value in a hundred years. If it takes forty or fifty of them to buy what you could once get for one, has it crashed?
 
The dangers of fiat money are real. This has been proven over and over.

Whether the currency crashes or not depends on how hard the central bank runs the printing presses. But history has never seen the fiat currency that didn't crash, at some rate or another. And though the crash has been too slow to really be called a crash, the Federal Reserve's poor excuse for a so-called 'dollar' has lost some ninety-five percent of its value in a hundred years. If it takes forty or fifty of them to buy what you could once get for one, has it crashed?
Gold is fiat too. The only way out of this situation is separation of economy and state. IIRC, RP introduced a freedom of currency act some years ago. That's one congressional measure I wouldn't mind.
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money

I suppose i should be more specific-when used as a government-issued exchange medium (which most gold-standard types advocate, in my experience), it is fiat. When market actors choose gold voluntarily, it can be looked at as "money" or "barter", depending on context.

ETA: one of my biggest peeves WRT the classical liberal/Constitutionalist wing of the liberty movement at large is they don't "get" why money ought not be a government business.
 
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Gold is fiat too.

OK, you go on and explain yourself in post #10, and I definitely agree with you that money and state should be separated. Creating, maintaining, valuing, and doing everything else in regards to money should just be done by free people in a free market. Free Market Money FTW! as you'd put it.

But still, this statement makes no sense. It makes no sense to me, and I don't think it would to anyone else, and I don't think that it communicates what you intended it to. "I do not think that word means what you think it means."

Fiat = decreeing or creating something arbitrarily. The totally arbitrary nature of the act, not constrained nor based upon anything else, is what makes it fiat. A fiat parental rule is what it is "because I said so." Fiat money is money "because I said so," and there can be as much or as little as I happen to say so. Gold is not fiat like that. Gold's existence or non-existence is not arbitrary. It can't be poofed into existence by the decree of any government, nor of anyone else.

So, I would not say that gold is fiat. A government gold standard is, I suppose, decreed by the government, but the gold itself is not fiat. It is not brought about nor controlled by any kind of fiat. Unless you are selling a Fiat for gold, in which case the Fiat would bring the gold about to your hand. ;)
 
Or perhaps driving a Fiat for Uber, in which case the gold you made from the gig would be Uber-Fiat gold.
 
Market Crashes are appearing to be more and more cyclical. About 5 to 8 years between, roughly. I think we are right on track for another Economic Collapse which will be at least as bad as the "Great Recession" but expect it to be much much worse. If things were getting better, then the Quality of Life would go up world wide, and Misery Index would be dropping like a Lead Brick.
 
I'll be bumping this thread some day and you will all be laughed at.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money

I suppose i should be more specific-when used as a government-issued exchange medium (which most gold-standard types advocate, in my experience), it is fiat. When market actors choose gold voluntarily, it can be looked at as "money" or "barter", depending on context.

ETA: one of my biggest peeves WRT the classical liberal/Constitutionalist wing of the liberty movement at large is they don't "get" why money ought not be a government business.

Free market works everyone else, why not money?
 
Technically, any government enforced legal tender is fiat money. People just tend to use that term for paper money because government fiat is the only way anyone would ever use it as money.
 
Technically, any government enforced legal tender is fiat money. People just tend to use that term for paper money because government fiat is the only way anyone would ever use it as money.

No. Fiat money is something that has no value whatsoever except through government fiat. What you're thinking of is 'official currency'. That doesn't have the same definition as 'fiat money', technically or otherwise.
 
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