Steve Bannon: American Patriot

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Lotta excuses for not watching RON PAUL's opinion on the Syria strikes.

If Trump is arming CIA-backed rebels in opposition to the Assad Regime then he is no better than the Neocons and he is a stooge for Israel. If Trump is sending US troops to work with the Assad Regime (Russia, and Iran) that makes complete sense. That was a campaign pledge. Trump never proclaimed to be a noninterventionist.

It's simple really. We will see who Trump is in the next few weeks. If Trump is for real, he will finish off ISIS before Cinco de Mayo, declare victory, negotiate peace with Assad, Russia & Iran, and remove all US troops. If Trump is a neocon globalist we will be stuck in the Middle East for 4 more years. We won't have to wait long to find out but don't pretend like you know for sure how this thing plays out.

P.S. I liked the video. I have more optimism than Dr. Paul but I understand his point of view. The idea of arming CIA/Mossad/Saudi trained rebels is distributing but like I said it's too early to call.
 
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gumba promises: "This [alleged indebtedness of trump to foreign banksters to the tune of $650 million] is disturbing; you never want a President in massive debt (especially without knowing his assets in full). I will look into this more and get back to you."​


...have you looked into this yet, gumba?...[one wonders what, given the $ame financial circum$tance$, republican cheerleaders would be saying about a democrat president as $hady and indebted as the orange man-crush]... ;)
 
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gumba promises: "This [alleged indebtedness of trump to foreign banksters to the tune of $650 million] is disturbing; you never want a President in massive debt (especially without knowing his assets in full). I will look into this more and get back to you."​


...have you looked into this yet, gumba?...[one wonders what, given the $ame financial circum$tance$, republican cheerleaders would be saying about a democrat president as $hady and indebted as the orange man-crush]... ;)

Yeah, it's impossible to know how a $650 million debt impacts Trump's entities without knowing the interest rates on the debt, the value of businesses, and the lenders. It could be shady or it could be that Trump is like most Americans and lives way beyond his means by riding economic bubbles. I never said Trump was an Austrian.

Back to the Deep State War that is happening as we speak: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-10/conflict-within-deep-state-just-broke-open-warfare
 
If Trump is arming CIA-backed rebels in opposition to the Assad Regime then he is no better than the Neocons and he is a stooge for Israel.

Tillerson has already sent up a recommendation to send arms to Saudi Arabia, ostensibly to bomb the ____ out of Yemen. If the White House signs onto it, your question is answered.
 
Yeah, it's impossible to know how a $650 million debt impacts Trump's entities without knowing the interest rates on the debt, the value of businesses, and the lenders. It could be shady or it could be that Trump is like most Americans and lives way beyond his means by riding economic bubbles. I never said Trump was an Austrian.

Back to the Deep State War that is happening as we speak: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-10/conflict-within-deep-state-just-broke-open-warfare

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...now be honest gumba, what would you and your republican-radio mentors say if the 'foe was on the other shoot' and some democrat 'dumba of liberty' was vomiting, "Yeah, it's impossible to know how a $650 million debt impacts [hillary's] entities without knowing the interest rates on the debt, the value of businesses, and the lenders. It could be shady or it could be that [hillary] is like most Americans and lives way beyond her means by riding economic bubbles..

...btw, 'the deep state' is just another goddamned fool republicrat distraction...your stinking 'deep state' operates below 'the bank$ter $tate'..so until your orange fool and the rest of them focus on the root$ i'll KNOW they are ALL stinking puppet$/fool$...AT BEST...
 
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...now be honest gumba, what would you and your republican-radio mentors say if the 'foe was on the other shoot' and some democrat 'dumba of liberty' was vomiting, "Yeah, it's impossible to know how a $650 million debt impacts [hillary's] entities without knowing the interest rates on the debt, the value of businesses, and the lenders. It could be shady or it could be that [hillary] is like most Americans and lives way beyond her means by riding economic bubbles..

...btw, 'the deep state' is just another goddamned fool republicrat distraction...your stinking 'deep state' operates below 'the bank$ter $tate'..so until your orange fool and the rest of them focus on the root$ i'll KNOW they are ALL stinking puppet$/fool$...AT BEST...

You are making the accusation that there is something nefarious about Trump being in debt. Prove it. All I stated is that, while I don't like it, I can see it from the perpective that maybe, just maybe, Trump is running his businesses like a businessman. Call me a conspiracy theorist.

Your point about the Deep State is complete nonsense. We have an entire thread dedicated to Judge Napolitano speaking out against the Deep State. Is Judge Napolitano a "republicrat"? What about Julain Assange? I'm the one making this up? Your delusional (or a paid shill).
 
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Your delusional (or a paid shill).
You've convinced me, I am orange pilled, can you go orange pill other forums? Judge Nepalitano has been doing his dillegence to get his message out about the deepstate, its a lot easier to go with the tide then against it.
 
'You are making the accusation that there is something nefarious about Trump being in debt.' (dumba)

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...no, dumba...i was merely trying to point out to you that the stinking words you used to defend trump are pathetic!..admit it, gumba...if some democrat shill used the same words you used to defend a democrat scumbag, you republican shills, radio parrots, etc., would be squawking loudly...admit it, gumba!...

...and quit digging!..your poor government-school students!...
 
'You are making the accusation that there is something nefarious about Trump being in debt.' (dumba)

:cool:

...no, dumba...i was merely trying to point out to you that the stinking words you used to defend trump are pathetic!..admit it, gumba...if some democrat shill used the same words you used to defend a democrat scumbag, you republican shills, radio parrots, etc., would be squawking loudly...admit it, gumba!...

...and quit digging!..your poor government-school students!...

If someone is in debt, or owns a company in debt, should that preclude him or her from political office?

I don't think so but the details of the loans should definitely be released.

Its my suspicion that the reason Trump refuses to open his books is that Trump has a lot less money that he lets on and by keeping his books closed he is protecting his "brand".

Or he could be a Russian Spy. Either one.
 
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If someone is in debt, or owns a company in debt, should that preclude him or her from political office?

I don't think so but the details of the loans should definitely be released.

Its my suspicion that the reason Trump refuses to open his books is that Trump has a lot less money that he lets on and by keeping his books closed he is protecting his "brand".

Or he could be a Russian Spy. Either one.
Or he could be a neocon
“You have an expansionist Islam and you have an expansionist China. Right? They are motivated. They’re arrogant. They’re on the march. And they think the Judeo-Christian west is on the retreat,”“Some of these situations may get a little unpleasant. But you know what, we’re in a war. We’re clearly going into, I think, a major shooting war in the Middle East again.” “The one thing the Chinese fear more than America … they fear Christianity more than anything,”-Steve Bannon
Does this sound like a man who understands blowback? Does this sound like something Ron Paul would say?
 
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Or he could be a neocon

Does this sound like a man who understands blowback? Does this sound like something Ron Paul would say?

Finally a quote! Thank you good sir for doing your homework. It only took 8 pages but I knew I'd get one out of you.

In regards to Bannon, I disagree with his foreign policy but, even with the China/Islam bashing, calling him a Neocon is a stretch at best. A Neocon is not just an interventionist. The Neoconservative Movement is a real thing with an (Trotskyite) ideology, founding members, and news organs (The Weekly Standard and company). They hate Trump. I wouldn't have started this thread if the Necons were in Trumps corner. Their hatred for him in the election was so obvious. #nevertrumpers
 
Believing that the Deep State is fiction is delusional.

The truth hurts sometimes but that doesn't make it any less true.

I said nothing about the Deep State. You discredited yourself with an unwise ad hominem that proves that the jury isn't out for you at all. You've exposed yourself as a committed trumpie whose course is firmly charted. Your convictions will have to shift with the wind to keep defending your beloved idol.

When you call somebody a shill who is critical of trump (or Bannon), you are calling Ron Paul a shill. When you call somebody a shill who is dubious of trump's (or Bannon's) anti-establishment credentials, you are calling Ron Paul a shill. When you call somebody a shill who calls for people to abandon the illusion of a difference between the major political parties, you are calling Ron Paul a shill. You should watch your mouth.
 
I said nothing about the Deep State. You discredited yourself with an unwise ad hominem that proves that the jury isn't out for you at all. You've exposed yourself as a committed trumpie whose course is firmly charted. Your convictions will have to shift with the wind to keep defending your beloved idol.

When you call somebody a shill who is critical of trump (or Bannon), you are calling Ron Paul a shill. When you call somebody a shill who is dubious of trump's (or Bannon's) anti-establishment credentials, you are calling Ron Paul a shill. When you call somebody a shill who calls for people to abandon the illusion of a difference between the major political parties, you are calling Ron Paul a shill. You should watch your mouth.

Wow, someone's getting a little bit upset. Let me see if I get this straight. If I call someone EITHER delusional OR a shill for believing that the Deep State is fictional then, by extension, I called Dr. Paul a shill? When has Dr. Paul ever said that the Deep State was an illusion and that anyone who speaks about it is a "republicrat"?

Sorry, you going to have to stand on your own two legs on this one. Hiding behind Dr. Paul and making it as if I'm attacking him by debating you (or your buddies) won't work.
 
Wow, someone's getting a little bit upset. Let me see if I get this straight. If I call someone EITHER delusional OR a shill for believing that the Deep State is fictional then, by extension, I called Dr. Paul a shill? When has Dr. Paul ever said that the Deep State was an illusion and that anyone who speaks about it is a "republicrat"?

Sorry, you going to have to stand on your own two legs on this one. Hiding behind Dr. Paul and making it as if I'm attacking him by debating you (or your buddies) won't work.
So let me get this straight, you say 2+2 = 4, but that's impossible since there is no way 2+3 could equal 4. So therefore your argument is false based on your math being wrong. I'm not misrepresenting the argument you made, you made an argument that is false.
 
Wow, someone's getting a little bit upset. Let me see if I get this straight. If I call someone EITHER delusional OR a shill for believing that the Deep State is fictional then, by extension, I called Dr. Paul a shill? When has Dr. Paul ever said that the Deep State was an illusion and that anyone who speaks about it is a "republicrat"?

Sorry, you going to have to stand on your own two legs on this one. Hiding behind Dr. Paul and making it as if I'm attacking him by debating you (or your buddies) won't work.

No, he's been decrying republicats in a lot of posts having nothing to do with the Deep State.

I'd be glad to address trump's anti-Deep State cred with you. But before I get presumptuous, what's your definition of the Deep State? Please be precise to distinguish yourself from your cohorts who define it like they do other things - Deep State (n): something against trump that trump is against. Your answer will determine whether or not your conception of the Deep State is fictional. I highly suspect it is.
 
No, he's been decrying republicats in a lot of posts having nothing to do with the Deep State.

I'd be glad to address trump's anti-Deep State cred with you. But before I get presumptuous, what's your definition of the Deep State? Please be precise to distinguish yourself from your cohorts who define it like they do other things - Deep State (n): something against trump that trump is against. Your answer will determine whether or not your conception of the Deep State is fictional. I highly suspect it is.

The Deep State are the minions of Euopean Banking Families that came to dominate Wall Street, post-Civil War. The Deep State was created in stages. Stage One Wilsonian Progressive Era: The Fed, IRS, Direct Election of Senators (Control the States & the Money). Stage 2 Truman & the Military Industrial Complex: CIA, NSA, NATO, NASA, Network News (Control the Firepower & The Narrative) Stage 3 The Bushs & War on Terror: Cable News, Department of Homeland Security (Control the World).

Most people in the Deep State do not know that the U.S. Government has been hijacked by European Bankers (Call it the Anti-American Revolution/The Empires Strike Back) and is being used as a tool of Global Domination. Since the Deep State has a top-down pyramid structure (like the Military) everything is done on a need-to-know basis. There are a select few at the top who understand what is going on. These men are either blackmailed (pedophiles/sex parties/ drug abuse) or willing to participate in schemes to dominate mankind for the benefit of themselves and their bloodlines by kneeling to the Banking Mafia.

Trump is "New Money" to these people. How dare he hijack their Puppet Machine called the Presidency.
 
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The Deep State are the minions of Euopean Banking Families that came to dominate Wall Street, post-Civil War. The Deep State was created in stages. Stage One Wilsonian Progressive Era: The Fed, IRS, Direct Election of Senators (Control the States & the Money). Stage 2 Truman & the Military Industrial Complex: CIA, NSA, NATO, NASA, Network News (Control the Firepower & The Narrative) Stage 3 The Bushs & War on Terror: Cable News, Department of Homeland Security (Control the World).

You left out silicon valley, big energy (inc. Koch bros), National Association of Manufacturers and other important Wall Street forces that have been integrated into the Deep State.

Most people in the Deep State do not know that the U.S. Government has been hijacked by European Bankers (Call it the Anti-American Revolution/The Empires Strike Back) and is being used as a tool of Global Domination. Since the Deep State has a top-down pyramid structure (like the Military) everything is done on a need-to-know basis. There are a select few at the top who understand what is going on. These men are either blackmailed (pedophiles/sex parties/ drug abuse) or willing to participate in schemes to dominate mankind for the benefit of themselves and their bloodlines by kneeling to the Banking Mafia. Trump is "New Money" to these people. How dare he hijack their Puppet Machine called the Presidency.

You lost me there. Yeah, this would be really cool in a comic book, but it's a failed attempt to try to put some kind of unified, sinister structure on a phenomenon that doesn't have any set structure. The Deep State is versatile and changes configuration with each power shift. New players enter and leave constantly. If anything, the Deep State is, like everything else in government, a bunch of conflicting special interests (all statists) that form and dissolve coalitions as conditions change. Some of the Deep State was against Obama, some (much of it the same) is against trump. Judge actually wrote about their dissatisfaction with Hillary Clinton too - http://www.judgenap.com/post/lessons-from-the-deep-state

trump's Treasury Secretary is Skull and Bones Goldman Sachs. Sachs has infiltrated every corner of his administration. Big oil (the major force responsible for the CIA Mossadeq operation, the grand overture to the CIA's epic reign) now heads the State Department. THESE WERE TRUMP'S PICKS!!!

H.E. Panqui is correct. The Deep State as you describe it does not exist. It's much bigger and much less organized than that. Judge's definition is much broader than yours and doesn't presume a Hydra-like monolith - "the unseen government within the government that does not change with elections." Yes, elements of it will try to manipulate trump, and I leave open the (slight) possibility that some elements of the Deep State are uncomfortable with his supposedly independent origins. And since he took both sides of every single issue, he said something to piss everybody off at some point. But can a guy who gave SO MUCH MONEY exclusively to the the political darlings of the Deep State (neocons like McCain, McConnell and the worst coterie of progressives) really be an outsider?

Judge thinks Flynn was booted by the Deep State. Well, probably partly. But regardless, he was ridiculously sloppy for somebody who calls himself a spy.

trump plays into the hands of the Deep State to a greater extent than even Obama did. trump is an unqualified success to the MIC at large. His hyper-interventionist approach to the Middle East and his obsession with controlling their oil is the bee's knees. So far, he seems to have caused the CIA to throw a couple minor sparks. But don't forget, trump's first choice for CIA director was Woolsey, Bill Clinton's top man at the CIA. And the CIA was a major force in Clinton's victory in 1992.

H. E. Panqui is also correct that the nastiest elements of the Deep State have to have the Federal Reserve at full operating capacity. The Federal Reserve is absolutely the linchpin of the Deep State. With trump's brazen and forceful installation of big Fed beneficiaries and proxies throughout the Executive Branch, it's cinched up.
 
You left out silicon valley, big energy (inc. Koch bros), National Association of Manufacturers and other important Wall Street forces that have been integrated into the Deep State.



You lost me there. Yeah, this would be really cool in a comic book, but it's a failed attempt to try to put some kind of unified, sinister structure on a phenomenon that doesn't have any set structure. The Deep State is versatile and changes configuration with each power shift. New players enter and leave constantly. If anything, the Deep State is, like everything else in government, a bunch of conflicting special interests (all statists) that form and dissolve coalitions as conditions change. Some of the Deep State was against Obama, some (much of it the same) is against trump. Judge actually wrote about their dissatisfaction with Hillary Clinton too - http://www.judgenap.com/post/lessons-from-the-deep-state

trump's Treasury Secretary is Skull and Bones Goldman Sachs. Sachs has infiltrated every corner of his administration. Big oil (the major force responsible for the CIA Mossadeq operation, the grand overture to the CIA's epic reign) now heads the State Department. THESE WERE TRUMP'S PICKS!!!

H.E. Panqui is correct. The Deep State as you describe it does not exist. It's much bigger and much less organized than that. Judge's definition is much broader than yours and doesn't presume a Hydra-like monolith - "the unseen government within the government that does not change with elections." Yes, elements of it will try to manipulate trump, and I leave open the (slight) possibility that some elements of the Deep State are uncomfortable with his supposedly independent origins. And since he took both sides of every single issue, he said something to piss everybody off at some point. But can a guy who gave SO MUCH MONEY exclusively to the the political darlings of the Deep State (neocons like McCain, McConnell and the worst coterie of progressives) really be an outsider?

Judge thinks Flynn was booted by the Deep State. Well, probably partly. But regardless, he was ridiculously sloppy for somebody who calls himself a spy.

trump plays into the hands of the Deep State to a greater extent than even Obama did. trump is an unqualified success to the MIC at large. His hyper-interventionist approach to the Middle East and his obsession with controlling their oil is the bee's knees. So far, he seems to have caused the CIA to throw a couple minor sparks. But don't forget, trump's first choice for CIA director was Woolsey, Bill Clinton's top man at the CIA. And the CIA was a major force in Clinton's victory in 1992.

H. E. Panqui is also correct that the nastiest elements of the Deep State have to have the Federal Reserve at full operating capacity. The Federal Reserve is absolutely the linchpin of the Deep State. With trump's brazen and forceful installation of big Fed beneficiaries and proxies throughout the Executive Branch, it's cinched up.

No comic book necessary. The narrative I put before you is documented. I recommend the following:

1. Tragedy and Hope
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0945...AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=tradegy+and+hope
2. The Creature from Jekyl Island
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0912...QL65&keywords=the+creature+from+jekyll+island
3. Confessions of an Economic Hitman
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0452...essions+of+an+economic+hitman+by+john+perkins
4. Wall Street, Banks and Foreign Policy by Murray Rothbard
https://mises.org/library/wall-street-banks-and-american-foreign-policy-0

Truth is stranger than fiction.
 
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