Statement from Ronnie Paul about the Campaign for Liberty Advertisement + Reaction

[purplechoe]

more BS...

 

[pacelli]

In the most humanitarian and sensitive, respectful manner possible, John Tate needs to be replaced. I don't care if he puts 'food on his family' through his C4L stipend.

We will implement checks and balances to prevent anything like this from happening again.

Lets start with an immediate balance to make up for the lack of checks & balances. If Tate knew about the Colorado thing, he is ultimately responsible, and needs to be replaced as a result. If he didn't know about it, then he is unaware of things going on under his nose, and needs to be replaced.

How can the C4L get stronger, if nothing changes?

The act of throwing one of Ron Paul's brothers at the grassroots to try to defend Tate is insulting, vicious, and cruel. By the way, is it safe to assume that Ron Paul (R-Tx) is aware of this now, since his brother is making posts? Are they putting Ronnie in front because Ron (R-Tx) is pissed? Why aren't we hearing from Ron Paul (R-Tx) himself (or his ghostwriter)?

 

[LibertyEagle]

The act of throwing one of Ron Paul's brothers at the grassroots to try to defend Tate is insulting, vicious, and cruel.

Ronnie Paul is Dr. Paul's eldest son and he apparently is the Chairman of the Board of C4L.

Do you honestly not believe Dr. Paul is aware of this?

 

[pacelli]

Ronnie Paul is Dr. Paul's eldest son and he apparently is the Chairman of the Board of C4L.

Do you honestly not believe Dr. Paul is aware of this?

Forgive me for getting the relational association incorrect. My bad.

I'd like to know why we aren't hearing from Dr. Paul about this? I honestly didn't think Dr. Paul was aware of this. I'd like to believe Dr. Paul is completely ignorant about what the C4L has been doing in Colorado.

 

[tpreitzel]

Yes, Ron Paul's indirect attention to this matter is good, but not enough. What precisely are those checks and balances, Ron? Although we trust you, the top-down structure that allowed this problem still exists. Personally, I fully support a parallel organization created by the grassroots from the bottom-up that COEXISTS with the C4L until the C4L is properly restructured. Again, it's great, Ron, to have your personal assurance in this matter as we trust you. However, trust doesn't imply the current situation with the C4L's organization is acceptable. We, as the grassroots, need to continue to work with ALL pertinent organizations toward the goal of restoring constitutional liberty including the C4L.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Forgive me for getting the relational association incorrect. My bad.

I'd like to know why we aren't hearing from Dr. Paul about this? I honestly didn't think Dr. Paul was aware of this. I'd like to believe Dr. Paul is completely ignorant about what the C4L has been doing in Colorado.

I wonder if he's able to say much of anything, due to restrictions placed on him as a Congressman. In my opinion, if his eldest son is saying it, it's the same as coming out of Ron's mouth. Personally, I have no doubt that Ron knows exactly what is being said.

 

[fisharmor]

Personal?
I won't get personal.
All I'll say is that all the official answers we're getting from C4L are answers I'd expect from men of low character.
They are the answers I would expect from people who are trying to hold on to power.
They are answers I would expect from people who don't respect their supporters.
I am NOT saying Tate and Ronnie Paul are men of low character. They're just giving us low-character answers.

That is the shoe they are blatantly stuffing their feet into. If there are other shoes to try on, let's see 'em.


Oh, and as far as being a nice family guy.... everyone I know who has personally met John McCain says he's a nice guy to sit down and have a beer with.

 

[Matt Collins]

Ronnie Paul is Dr. Paul's eldest son and he apparently is the Chairman of the Board of C4L.

Do you honestly not believe Dr. Paul is aware of this?

I didn't bring it up on Saturday because we were focusing on Rand. The thought crossed my mind to ask Ron's take on it but I didn't think it would be relevant to the issue at hand.

 

[MRoCkEd]

Forgive me for getting the relational association incorrect. My bad.

I'd like to know why we aren't hearing from Dr. Paul about this? I honestly didn't think Dr. Paul was aware of this. I'd like to believe Dr. Paul is completely ignorant about what the C4L has been doing in Colorado.

I heard that part of the delay in the first statement was that they needed to get Ron to sign off on it. I don't know for sure though.

 

[jmdrake]

Hate to say it, but this is a joke. A "kind and decent family man" Tate may be, but it has zero bearing on what has happened in this organization.

I'm also inclined to agree with others who said this looks like more spin. There's no way you spend several hundred thousand on an ad just to get a candidate's positions on record. That's absolute nonsense.

You're right. It doesn't make any sense. That's part of the reason why I believe the CFL's assertion (and the report in the MSM) that somebody else paid for the ad.

 

[jmdrake]

I wonder if he's able to say much of anything, due to restrictions placed on him as a Congressman. In my opinion, if his eldest son is saying it, it's the same as coming out of Ron's mouth. Personally, I have no doubt that Ron knows exactly what is being said.

I'm sure Ron knows about this now. I doubt he knew about it when it happened. That just seems like a decision too far down the totem pole. (Assuming that the money didn't come from CFL funds.)

 

[AdamT]

Ron has a brother named Ronnie? Gee, that has to get confusing.

I believe it's RPs son, ie Rand's bro.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm sure Ron knows about this now.

The board is filled with members of his family. Why do you think that is? Could it be to ensure that the C4L does not become something that he does not agree with? Do people here honestly believe that Congressman Paul would allow his organization to become a neocon-organization?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Interview with Jesse Benton on this issue

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=229337

It is definitely worth listening to.

 

[dr. hfn]

Ron has a brother named Ronnie? Gee, that has to get confusing.

son

 

[jmdrake]

The board is filled with members of his family. Why do you think that is? Could it be to ensure that the C4L does not become something that he does not agree with? Do people here honestly believe that Congressman Paul would allow his organization to become a neocon-organization?

You're missing the point. The reason to stack a board with people you trust (like your family) is so you don't have to deal with low level mundane decisions. Hopefully the people delegated to do those decisions will do what you would have done in that situation. Ron Paul shouldn't be dealing with candidate surveys. He has far other important things to do like give media interviews, write legislation and make public appearances. I'm sure Dr. Paul knew of the survey program. I doubt he wrote the survey. He may have seen it. I sincerely doubt he read every candidates response it and I'm certain he didn't personally check candidate websites to see if they conformed to what was written in the survey. If he did, that's a tremendous waste of resources.

Finally, I'm not sure why you asked if I honestly believed Dr. Paul would "allow his organization to become a neocon organization". Where did I say that? I'm just saying it's unlikely he's micromanaging it. I hope he's not micromanaging it. And I don't think it's become a "neocon organization".

 

[LibertyEagle]

Michael Nystrom speaks with Ron Paul about the issue

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=229350

 

[Ricky201]

I don't plan on donating more to C4L until a full transparency is done. I don't think Tate, and Ronnie are bad people, but they're not ideal executives (I think that is as diplomatic as I can get). I learn more from the RPF and Dailypaul anyways.

Donate to the candidates, especially if the campaign is being ran well (i.e. Medina, and Rand).

 

[brandon]

The board is filled with members of his family. Why do you think that is? Could it be to ensure that the C4L does not become something that he does not agree with? Do people here honestly believe that Congressman Paul would allow his organization to become a neocon-organization?

If you watch the latest raw interview with Rand and Ron you will see there are many significant foreign policy issues that Rand and Ron differ on. Just because someone is in your family doesn't mean they will always agree with you.