Star Trek = NWO

[CUnknown]

I love both Star Wars and Star Trek, but yeah, it's true that Star Trek has a strong political vision attached to it. Star Trek is a Utopian vision of the future in which the Earth has been united under one banner, where people hardly know scarcity, disease, or death anymore because the great minds who are controlling the world have eradicated them. Science is the ultimate good that can solve any problem. A lot is made in the show of the argument between science (Spock) v humanity and compassion (McCoy). In these arguments, Spock just about always wins (although he is made fun of constantly). In the Next Generation, Data takes Spock's place and shows the triumph of science through his very existence (he is a living miracle of science). Data saves the day in just about every other episode (in the other episodes, its Wesely Crusher who saves the day).

The Borg are the most powerful enemy in the Star Trek universe, and they have a way of life very similar to Starfleet's, actually. Unite for the common good, that is how they are so powerful. It's just that they give new planets no choice except to unite -- "Resistance is futile." Starfleet does the same thing, but instead uses reason and science to convince people to join of their own free will, but besides that it is the same.

Firefly is far, far superior to Star Trek and has a political message of freedom and individual soverignty. If you haven't seen it, check it out!

 

[A. Havnes]

Never heard of firefly. I'll have to do just that!

 

[mconder]

Has anyone else noticed this? Think about it: several different planets all under one government aka the Federation aka NWO. Creepy.

Havn't you ever noticed the "United Federation of Planets" logo is the same as the UN logo? This is why Star Wars is better...because they are rebels fighting against Empire instead of a bunch of New World Order bitches.

 

[mconder]

Star Trek is not a "One World Government" because the world is no longer the only place to Govern. The "World" is only one planet in a "Federation of Planets",while every planet has their own governments and their own laws. Technology has allowed trade and commerce to act much like we do now between states, except for them it's between planets. In a sense Star Trek and their prime directive have perfected the idea of a Libertarian Republic (with the exception of monetary policy).

No the Federation is a collective if NWO style planets. Please look at the Federation of Planets logo and compare it to the U.N. logo and tell me that was coincidence.

http://www.startrekdesktopwallpaper...tionofPlanets_freedesktopwallpaper_1600.shtml

 

[mconder]

Oh, by the way...if the Star Trek universe is so libertarian as some of you are saying, who pays for all those fancy space craft and sexy uniforms?

 

[CUnknown]

Omg, you've never heard of Firefly? Unfortunately, it was cancelled after only one season (really less than one, actually). There was a movie, though -- Serenity. The movie wasn't as good as the series, but it's still good, especially if you saw the show.

Firefly is the anti-Star Trek. The Star Trek guys are still around (they are called the Alliance), but they're the enemies. The captain of the ship (Mal) would have so voted for Ron Paul (if he would have voted at all, which I doubt). The other members of the crew aren't so libertarian, but Mal definitely is.

A Mal quote: "That's what governments are for, to get in a man's way."

Mal was a sergeant in the War for Unification -- he faught for the independents who resisted unification. The independents lost. Now he's a smuggler trying to make a living on the edge of the galaxy, it's great!

 

[John E]

Firefly was an awesome show and I had to buy it on DVD. Excellent Excellent Excellent!!

Star Trek has some conflicting information regarding money... on enterprise, with the exception of the occasional card games, there never is really reference to it. Everything appears to be magically available via the magical powers of the "replicator".

I am not a Trek fanatic but there were a few episodes in TNG and DS9 and Voyager reference a few interesting things such as the fact that the replicators and the warp drives run off a mineral that is very hard to find and very hard to mine. I want to say that there is almost a subservient subclass that essentially does this. Them or the equivilant of lower class citizens in the federation who are found on these often harsh and brutal worlds.

I also remember them saying that some items are so complex that it becomes to costly (in terms of raw supplies?) to replicate it. Latnum was one such item which is why "gold pressed latnum" was a commodity in DS9.

Mostly though these facts were glossed over except in Voyager where they were forced to conserve resources and went to great lengths like growing their own food.

 

[josephadel_3]

star trek = military ideology

 

[mavtek]

No the Federation is a collective if NWO style planets. Please look at the Federation of Planets logo and compare it to the U.N. logo and tell me that was coincidence.

http://www.startrekdesktopwallpaper...tionofPlanets_freedesktopwallpaper_1600.shtml

Ok Gene took a bit of the logo and ran with it, call it creative indulgence ala Shakespeare. He may have even liked the idea or the perception of the UN, personally I'm not against a "UN" style organization, just the current one. If we had a UN that literally had the credo of non-interference I might even support it. Imagine a UN that only helped when asked, or ran itself on a "Prime Directive". Utopian banter, maybe, after all it was a fantasy based TV show.

The most hilarious thing about this entire topic is the implication that Star Trek was a show that was construed to prepare us for World Government. Lets make sure these people living in 1967 are prepared for a 1 World Government by 2150! Sorry, I might be the only one who sees the ridiculousness in that.

Lets not forget what Star Trek did for freedom. An episode where a white man has an affair with a black woman in the 60's no less. An episode where an entire planet destroys itself because 1 race has white on 1 side of it's face and the other has black. The next generation brought us the 1st lesbian kiss! Lets not forget the incredible logic and rational that Spock brought to Kirk in his leadership, imagine if Bush had a Spock at his side these last 8 years. Things might be quite different.

 

[mavtek]

Oh, by the way...if the Star Trek universe is so libertarian as some of you are saying, who pays for all those fancy space craft and sexy uniforms?

That's quite simple actually. Energy and matter are almost 1 and the same in Star Trek. Titanium hulls are brought into existence from replicator or energy to matter transference. The traditional class based empires mine the di-lithium based crystals for a fusion process and the Federation pays for these crystals or finds them themselves. Energy is also vastly available via hydro electric power, solar, and wind.

In a fantasy situation like Star Trek, where material possessions are simply a wish a way it's hard to fantasize what life maybe like. If you do watch a lot of episodes you see many are attracted to science and exploration and some military. Unfortunately because the show is based on an exploration vehicle you rarely see the rest of the civilization as a whole. This is why I personally enjoyed Deep Space 9 so much as you could see how these future civilizations actually lived in an environment much like our own. Imagine a Star Trek where people were reporters, cooks, bartenders, miners, transporters, religious leaders, or even prophets. Fascinating indeed! To dismiss Star Trek and it's many iterations as socialist utopia is unfortunate because it's actually an expanse of many ideologies and many possibilities. The most important thing to remember is that it is truly artistic fantasy at it's best and that's what it is, so sit back, drink a beer and enjoy!

 

[Doktor_Jeep]

I once asked an old Trekky about this subject, and he stated that Gene Roddenberry got away with pushing "one world government" because he made it look to the American audience that the US would be the dominant group in it.


As usual, the trees cared not for the axe in the forest as they thought the handle was one of them.