Star Trek = NWO

[unconsious767]

Hmmm

 

[literatim]

The Venus Project as advocated by Zeitgeist Addendum reminded me of Star Trek. The Star Trek government was able to work because of such an abundance of resources, but there will never be such an abundance unless it is produced from capitalism. Venus Project is trying to skip a step - won't work.

There is capitalism is Star Trek. Though certain things have no intrinsic value because they are so abundant due to technological advancement.

The beauty of Star Trek is that they dont use money because they have the replicator. Money becomes obsolete because people can have whatever they want, WHENEVER they want for free ala the replicator.. So all control of the people is lost.. People are free to do what they like.

Im sure on some part of the planet Earth in the Star Trek world there is a group of people toking up, getting high 24/7 even if its not shown.. 23rd century Amsterdam perhaps.

Though there is inconsistencies in the Star Trek universe. There does seem to be money in the Federation and trade among the various governments of the universe. The Federation currency is credits, they often gamble them when playing poker in the Next Generation. In Deep Space Nine, they pay for their drinks at Quark's bar, usually gold-pressed latinum. In the original Star Trek, in the episode 'The Doomsday Machine', Kirk mentions Scotty being paid for his work.

 

[Matt Collins]

The beauty of Star Trek is that they dont use money because they have the replicator. Money becomes obsolete because people can have whatever they want, WHENEVER they want for free ala the replicator.. So all control of the people is lost.. People are free to do what they like.

The Star Trek government was able to work because of such an abundance of resources, but there will never be such an abundance unless it is produced from capitalism.

The technology that would have to happen would be fusion combined with quantum computing. Once fusion happens energy will essentially be free. And we'll be able to separate molecules of anything into individual elements and then rebuild them as anything.

Gold? HA, ya just dump garbage into the fusion reactor and then reassemble the atoms the way you want and you get gold. SCARCITY WILL NO LONGER EXIST! And as the technology gets better things like food will be replicated.

It will completely change the face of humanity and economics as we know it will experience a paradigm shift similar to when Copernicus discovered the world was not the center of the universe and solar system.

I give us a century before we are there, two at most. This of course assumes we don't get bogged down in the welfare state, wars, self-ignorance, etc

There is a great lecture about this from an 80's physicist called Ripe Tomatoes and the Fusion Torch. If you can find it you should definitely watch it.

 

[literatim]

The technology that would have to happen would be fusion combined with quantum computing. Once fusion happens energy will essentially be free. And we'll be able to separate molecules of anything into individual elements and then rebuild them as anything.

Gold? HA, ya just dump garbage into the fusion reactor and then reassemble the atoms the way you want and you get gold. SCARCITY WILL NO LONGER EXIST! And as the technology gets better things like food will be replicated.

It will completely change the face of humanity and economics as we know it will experience a paradigm shift similar to when Copernicus discovered the world was not the center of the universe and solar system.

I give us a century before we are there, two at most. This of course assumes we don't get bogged down in the welfare state, wars, self-ignorance, etc

There is a great lecture about this from an 80's physicist called Ripe Tomatoes and the Fusion Torch. If you can find it you should definitely watch it.

You are assuming it can be done in the first place. Just because one can imagine something, doesn't mean it is physically possible.

 

[The One]

Only someone who watched the show sporadically would say that. Could say that about any popular tv show. I "hate" Grey's Anatomy, but I seen about 2 episodes over 2 years.

It sucks balls.

 

[Matt Collins]

You are assuming it can be done in the first place. Just because one can imagine something, doesn't mean it is physically possible.

Oh it can definitely be done. But technology hasn't caught up to theory yet.

And even Einstein said "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."

He also said: "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere."

And "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."

And "To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks real advance in science."

 

[anaconda]

It is too bad that Rodenberry never really did an episode that dealt with a totalitarian power grab within the Federation and how it was equipped to handle such a situation.

 

[mediahasyou]

ok..

the idea of a one world government in itself is not a sinister or even bad idea.. just when it is for control and enslavement..


and it seems to work just fine in star trek

all government is for control and enslavement

 

[mediahasyou]

Dont make it easy for the statists. One world government means only one government needs to be manipulated.

 

[literatim]

Oh it can definitely be done. But technology hasn't caught up to theory yet.

You can't say it can be done until you actually do it.

And even Einstein said "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."

He also said: "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere."

And "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."

And "To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks real advance in science."

So?

 

[Peace&Freedom]

The absence of money is an unrealistic concept, considering that human excellence will be reflected in personal wealth---the top business execs, professionals, entertainers, etc. will always be financially better off than average people. This alone shows the Star Trek model is misleading.

 

[FreedomFighter8008]

Just found this on YouTube:

Old Star Trek Reveals How to Destroy the New World Order

LOL!!

 

[Matt Collins]

You can't say it can be done until you actually do it.

Anything humans can imagine can be done so long as it is not a logical fallacy or against the laws of physics. It's just a matter of technology, resources, and will.

 

[Matt Collins]

The absence of money is an unrealistic concept, considering that human excellence will be reflected in personal wealth

I remember episodes of DS9 where latinum was used as a currency. So not all of Star Trek was without currency. However what is interesting is that latinum was always associated with the Ferengi race which was shown as greedy. Subliminal messages perhaps?

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Latinum

 

[A. Havnes]

Ah, Star Trek. The mind pressing questions, such as: Does it promote socialism? Does it mirror the UN? What about the Federation's foreign policy, and how Kirk seems to interpret it? How many illegitimate children do you suppose Kirk has?

The Enterprise is a starship under the the United Federation of Planets, an organization that undermines each planet's sovereignty, but is still represented as a benevolent force. The Enterprise travels the known galaxies and beyond, in search of "new life and new civilizations" to recruit into the Federation. The only known governments that oppose the Federation are the Klingon Empire and Romulans. I've only watch TOS in its entireity, so I could be wrong about that.

I wouldn't say that it necessarily promotes socialism (the only thing I can think of would be an episode of Voyager that mentioned a New World Economy), but it's definately reminiscent of the United Nations. For example, the first clue should be what the Federation refers to as the "Constitution", which draws its inspiration, and some text even, from the United Nations Charter. In fact, it's official name is called the Charter of the United Federation of Planets, and the Federation's history is kind of like the UN as well.

Technically, each planet still maintains its own government (and did anyone other than me notice that each planet only seems to have a centralized government? No nations, kings, presidents, etc.), and the Federation isn't supposed to intervene in local governments, thus it's supposed to have a non-intervention foreign policy, but much like our own, it often breaks this rule and gets involved with settling disputes between planets of interest.

In fact, the Enterprise does a lot of interfering! Most of this is due to Kirk's own arrogance, and the fact that he doesn't often seem to bat an eye when either Spock or McCoy try and deter him from his plans. He readily prepares to intervene with all kinds of government systems, often times allowing his own philosophical ideals interfere with his work. I'm thinking of an episode in which he discovered a group of people who do not age or get sick, but they are very primitive, don't engage in sexual intercourse, etc. They are basically as Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, and that is exactly what this episode alludes to.

Anyway, the people give sacrifices to a machine that was placed on the planet a long time ago, and the people believe it is a god. This machine is the reason for their extreme health and lifespan, but Kirk can't stand it. In Kirk's eyes, only people who strive towards progress, developing new technology, etc. are really "living", as he puts it. Spock claims that the people are happy, healthy, and don't need to build great cities and space ships, and McCoy gently reminds him of Starfleet's non-intervention policy. Naturally, Kirk defies them both and "liberates" the people, who will now know poverty, hunger, sickness, death, greed, etc. Was Kirk right? He very well may have been, but the point is that he defied the foreign policy, and he also didn't get reprimanded by Starfleet for it.

That's awfully nitpicky, but the Federation, and those subject to it, don't always have the best policies. It's a shame I don't know more about the Klingon Empire or the Romulans, because that would be very interesting.

And, finally, how many illegitimate children does Kirk have? We can only guess... He seems to pick up a new girl on every planet he visits, though. Wait, the episode I just used as an example is an exception.

Now, I like Star Trek and Star Wars both. However, I couldn't help but think, "Would Ron Paul campaign against the Federation if he were in Star Trek?"

 

[AJ Antimony]

Whether that's true or not, luckily for you star trek has a bad connotation when brought up in conversation

 

[itshappening]

money still exists in star trek for other species and commodities like 'latinum' are sought after like gold is for us and used in trading as I understand it though I think the original creator Roddenbury was insistant on there being no money they have softened it a bit with 'credits' but I think the guy was basically a communist...

however, lets not forget that in a star trek universe you can take off and go wherever you want so if you dont like earth/the federation and their way of doing things, you can go somewhere else (at warp speed)

 

[Pepsi]

I remember a few TNG episodes were they use Credits as money. In a DS9 episode they also talk about how the lion share of the wealth of the the Federation went to Earth.

 

[vodalian]

In star trek, humans don't trade amongst themselves because they have everything they could possibly want, they do use precious metal and technology for trading with other species though, normally to gain new technology or favors.

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

Has anyone else noticed this? Think about it: several different planets all under one government aka the Federation aka NWO. Creepy.

I disagree. If you have a bunch of aliens, the smallest unit of government would likely become the plant. A federation of planets would be like the U.S.