#StandWithRand publicity stunt idea

[65fastback2+2]

You people are so fucking insufferable sometimes, honestly.

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I think this might be an idea that COULD potentially get media coverage

Come on now...help refine it instead of being so anti here.

 

[limequat]

What I see is an electorate voting on emotion. There was palpable emotion with Ron. I felt it. Obama, not me, but many others. Trump: yep anger. Bernie, uh huh idealistic fervor.

Rand is a thinker. The emotion isn't there on the part of the electorate. "Hope! Change! Revolution! Greatness!" Meanwhile, we're trying to get the valedictorian elected to homecoming king. Rand is still our last best hope. But for next time, we should take a cue from the establishment and remember that the president is a puppet for a reason. The people demand glitter, the substance must be hidden from view.

 

[thatpeculiarcat]

Yes, the idea is ridiculous, but your heart is the in the right place.

People can't get behind Rand. It's HARD to be enthusiastic about him. Watch/Rewatch For Liberty and ask yourself how many of those people would do all of the things they did for Ron, for Rand now. The number is not 100%, 90%, 80%...it's probably about half. We simply do not have the numbers we used to have, and 2012 really jaded a lot of us. Even if we go out and vote Rand, a majority of us won't go to a convention all day for him. It's just the way it is, and it has nothing to do with the message, but has everything to do with the messenger. Ron inspired us with everything he did, and while Rand has had his moments--very good moments at that--he has disappointed the liberty movement too many times for 100% of Ron People to go plastering signs, vandalizing property with bumper stickers, being a salesman on a highway, buying a $70,000 full page ad, using a blimp, or marching on Washington.

And the sad part is Rand could have ALL of that stuff back tomorrow if he just said, "FUCK IT!" and went full on libertarian.

 

[limequat]

Yes, the idea is ridiculous, but your heart is the in the right place.

People can't get behind Rand. It's HARD to be enthusiastic about him. Watch/Rewatch For Liberty and ask yourself how many of those people would do all of the things they did for Ron, for Rand now. The number is not 100%, 90%, 80%...it's probably about half. We simply do not have the numbers we used to have, and 2012 really jaded a lot of us. Even if we go out and vote Rand, a majority of us won't go to a convention all day for him. It's just the way it is, and it has nothing to do with the message, but has everything to do with the messenger. Ron inspired us with everything he did, and while Rand has had his moments--very good moments at that--he has disappointed the liberty movement too many times for 100% of Ron People to go plastering signs, vandalizing property with bumper stickers, being a salesman on a highway, buying a $70,000 full page ad, using a blimp, or marching on Washington.

And the sad part is Rand could have ALL of that stuff back tomorrow if he just said, "FUCK IT!" and went full on libertarian.

I agree with everything but the last line. I think that moment in time is gone.

 

[randbot16]

A public filibuster in the streets that protests the masses' ignorance to their loss of freedom, just like Rand protested the government's ignorance with his fillibuster? I like it. However, I would prefer doing the NSA filibuster. The NSA is the perfect issue to convert other conservatives on. It's something that only Rand effectively opposes, and if you can convince a conservative that the NSA is morally wrong (it's not that hard and I've already done this to several), then all roads point to Rand for the solution. What I would rather do than just straight up read Paul's filibuster for an entire day, is transform its transcript into a recruitment message for other conservatives to support Rand. We could all collaborate on this with a Google Drive document. Our speech could make the case that freedom IS a moral issue, alongside the traditional conservative values of being pro-life etc.. We could also group the dangerous slippery slope of "freedom-killing socialism" with the slippery slope of the NSA taking our freedom away. That would get establishment conservatives to realize that Rand is actually the most conservative candidate, based on the definition of what a real conservative is. Instead of one 12 hour speech, we could write like 4-7 speeches that are each 2 hours. The speeches would be composed of perhaps 70% of Rand filibuster transcript and 30% our writing. Then we could go stand at select locations for 2 hours at a certain time each day for a week plus. Not everyone participating would have to say the speeches. We could have hip music playing and people with Rand outfits and sunglasses nodding their head to it. We could say a different one of our prepared speeches each day. People would get to know the time slot and location, and we'd make the news. We could turn it into a nation-wide phenomenon/meme if all our events had a lot in common, such as - they all take place at 8pm GMT at Wendy's' across the nation (just an example location lol). Or maybe they could all take place near a chain business that has a CEO who supports Rand Paul, such as Whole Foods, in case the CEO wants to get involved (long shot, but still).

You do indeed make interesting points. A lot of good suggestions here. The Whole Foods thing. I do agree with the negative-nancies that the 13 hour filibuster may be the wrong content, and like the idea of collaborating on and crafting the message.

 

[65fastback2+2]

Yes, the idea is ridiculous, but your heart is the in the right place.

People can't get behind Rand. It's HARD to be enthusiastic about him. Watch/Rewatch For Liberty and ask yourself how many of those people would do all of the things they did for Ron, for Rand now. The number is not 100%, 90%, 80%...it's probably about half. We simply do not have the numbers we used to have, and 2012 really jaded a lot of us. Even if we go out and vote Rand, a majority of us won't go to a convention all day for him. It's just the way it is, and it has nothing to do with the message, but has everything to do with the messenger. Ron inspired us with everything he did, and while Rand has had his moments--very good moments at that--he has disappointed the liberty movement too many times for 100% of Ron People to go plastering signs, vandalizing property with bumper stickers, being a salesman on a highway, buying a $70,000 full page ad, using a blimp, or marching on Washington.

And the sad part is Rand could have ALL of that stuff back tomorrow if he just said, "FUCK IT!" and went full on libertarian.

I dont think its the messenger at all...either are fine.

I think its the people wore out. My own wife wont vote "It wouldnt change anything"...or many of my friends "Just gotta wait till it all crashes and we can reset".

 

[randbot16]

Yes, the idea is ridiculous, but your heart is the in the right place.

People can't get behind Rand. It's HARD to be enthusiastic about him. Watch/Rewatch For Liberty and ask yourself how many of those people would do all of the things they did for Ron, for Rand now. The number is not 100%, 90%, 80%...it's probably about half. We simply do not have the numbers we used to have, and 2012 really jaded a lot of us. Even if we go out and vote Rand, a majority of us won't go to a convention all day for him. It's just the way it is, and it has nothing to do with the message, but has everything to do with the messenger. Ron inspired us with everything he did, and while Rand has had his moments--very good moments at that--he has disappointed the liberty movement too many times for 100% of Ron People to go plastering signs, vandalizing property with bumper stickers, being a salesman on a highway, buying a $70,000 full page ad, using a blimp, or marching on Washington.

And the sad part is Rand could have ALL of that stuff back tomorrow if he just said, "FUCK IT!" and went full on libertarian.

I feel you. I have felt that way about Rand too. I went to one diner stop in NH for Rand this season, and after only observing Ron's campaign through the internet in '12, the huge crowds and all the enthusiasm, the gray day and low energy at the diner stop was certainly underwhelming. But meeting Rand, and knowing he's authentic reawakened my desire to promote liberty nonetheless. I have given about $700 to the campaign so far, and will continue giving even if he does poorly in NH.

I still feel like Rand has done so much to earn our support, but yeah, people are burned out, feel like their vote won't be counted, etc. The goal should still be promoting liberty, shrinking govt and ending the federal reserve, whether he wins the nomination or not. If I had to bet $$, I'd say it is going to be Rubio VS Clinton in the general and Clinton is going to win. The RNC is utterly compromised and has some backroom agreement with the DNC to offer up fall guys for the Democratic nominee to easily slay.

I don't think people supporting Ron necessarily supported the Libertarian philosophy. Trump is evidence of that. People want someone who is going to go after the establishment. Unfortunately Trump has attached a stigma of racism (probably intentionally) to the anti-establishment wing of the party which will doom it against Clinton.

 

[Makes Interesting Points]

I feel you. I have felt that way about Rand too. I went to one diner stop in NH for Rand this season, and after only observing Ron's campaign through the internet in '12, the huge crowds and all the enthusiasm, the gray day and low energy at the diner stop was certainly underwhelming. But meeting Rand, and knowing he's authentic reawakened my desire to promote liberty nonetheless. I have given about $700 to the campaign so far, and will continue giving even if he does poorly in NH.

I still feel like Rand has done so much to earn our support, but yeah, people are burned out, feel like their vote won't be counted, etc. The goal should still be promoting liberty, shrinking govt and ending the federal reserve, whether he wins the nomination or not. If I had to bet $$, I'd say it is going to be Rubio VS Clinton in the general and Clinton is going to win. The RNC is utterly compromised and has some backroom agreement with the DNC to offer up fall guys for the Democratic nominee to easily slay.

I don't think people supporting Ron necessarily supported the Libertarian philosophy. Trump is evidence of that. People want someone who is going to go after the establishment. Unfortunately Trump has attached a stigma of racism (probably intentionally) to the anti-establishment wing of the party which will doom it against Clinton.

Wow $700 donated by you? I got some catching up to do.

I think we should look at the reasons why we are so much more driven than the masses to support Rand. What drives me the most is that I believe he's literally THE only one who can save the country. America is acting out a tragic love story, with Rand Paul as the protagonist that is doomed to fail. Everything else besides Rand Paul is so tiny in importance right now compared to Rand Paul. The masses however, only view him as a possible preference over someone else. They don't really get why we need this guy to be president. If only we could create a narrative that demonstrates the real threat to America and that he's the only one who can stop it, like with the compiled speech idea I had. When people think that someone is America's only hope, it's a lot easier for them to have enthusiasm than if they just think someone is one possible choice. But it's hard to accurately convey why Rand Paul isn't just a preference, but necessary, without being painted as a looney conspiracy theorist; to make the argument for Rand's necessity, you have to really get into what will happen without him as president, and the masses see all future predictions besides their own as lame conspiracy theories. Between my essays on Facebook, and the stuff I've told people, I can pretty much convince anybody except socialists that Rand Paul is a necessary force. The logic is there, but it takes too much time to get large amounts of people to read/listen to it.

You know what would be cool? If someone started a mostly non-profit website where anyone regardless of political affiliation can complete tests that determine one's political smarts. People who pass the test(s) can become a "Certified Logical Voter". Then, they can get proof of their status with a shirt pin and a certificate. If this caught on, people would want to become certified for bragging rights, and to feel like a great voter. It could make voting based on logic - rather than on personality or flare - very popular in this country, rather than the incorrect "it's always better to vote than not to vote, regardless of reasons or motive" philosophy that America has today. You'd just have to make sure that the website's tests encourage people to be open-minded, and say that it's possible to be both a logical voter and open to changing one's positions. Increasing the percentage of votes that are logical votes would greatly help Rand Paul, and the next candidate like him.

 

[randbot16]

Wow $700 donated by you? I got some catching up to do.

I think we should look at the reasons why we are so much more driven than the masses to support Rand. What drives me the most is that I believe he's literally THE only one who can save the country. America is acting out a tragic love story, with Rand Paul as the protagonist that is doomed to fail. Everything else besides Rand Paul is so tiny in importance right now compared to Rand Paul. The masses however, only view him as a possible preference over someone else. They don't really get why we need this guy to be president. If only we could create a narrative that demonstrates the real threat to America and that he's the only one who can stop it, like with the compiled speech idea I had. When people think that someone is America's only hope, it's a lot easier for them to have enthusiasm than if they just think someone is one possible choice. But it's hard to accurately convey why Rand Paul isn't just a preference, but necessary, without being painted as a looney conspiracy theorist; to make the argument for Rand's necessity, you have to really get into what will happen without him as president, and the masses see all future predictions besides their own as lame conspiracy theories. Between my essays on Facebook, and the stuff I've told people, I can pretty much convince anybody except socialists that Rand Paul is a necessary force. The logic is there, but it takes too much time to get large amounts of people to read/listen to it.

You know what would be cool? If someone started a mostly non-profit website where anyone regardless of political affiliation can complete tests that determine one's political smarts. People who pass the test(s) can become a "Certified Logical Voter". Then, they can get proof of their status with a shirt pin and a certificate. If this caught on, people would want to become certified for bragging rights, and to feel like a great voter. It could make voting based on logic - rather than on personality or flare - very popular in this country, rather than the incorrect "it's always better to vote than not to vote, regardless of reasons or motive" philosophy that America has today. You'd just have to make sure that the website's tests encourage people to be open-minded, and say that it's possible to be both a logical voter and open to changing one's positions. Increasing the percentage of votes that are logical votes would greatly help Rand Paul, and the next candidate like him.

With Cruz shaming people for not voting by scoring their attendance, I feel he has ruined the climate for an idea like this, plus it would require marketing/advertising to drive people to the site, ALOT. Seems I generated very little enthusiasm at all with the idea. Guess we keep pushing for Rand in our own little ways.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

I may have a more effective idea. Run for local office. Hold townhalls and rallies and spread the message of liberty far and wide. If you win, awesome, now spread that message to your peers, if you lose...perhaps you were the gadfly.

Stunts like reciting someone elses filibuster seem sophmoric. Why not get a crowd and do a townhall type meeting? Who says you even have to run for office to do that? Community action is the answer my friends. If Rand can be helped by it, awesome. However, the goal is so much more than merely winning the presidency.

We need the country.