SPLC releases new list of patriot extremist groups by state

[Anti Federalist]

I am "officially" on the list.

Three different organizations in NH I am a part of are on "the list".

 

[donnay]

You SHOULD be proud, they didn't say there's ANYTHING WRONG with these groups. Did they? What are people here so mad about?

Well it certainly isn't a Christmas list!!

This list is put out to acclimate people to these groups so when another false flag attack happens they can blame it on the radical patriot's!!

 

[Anti Federalist]

just because I don't share everybody's hatred against them doesn't mean I work for them, I'm not even defending them, I'm defending this particular list as I don't see what's inaccurate about it.

Listen Josh, I know you're probably just trolling here, and getting a good laugh out of it.

But for the benefit of those who don't know, and maybe you, if, in fact you are serious, let me sum up why the list is problematic, OK?

SPLC has a direct line to DHS.

This has been proven and documented many, many times.

Now, that means that government puts a lot of stock in what SPLC calls a "dangerous", "extremist" or "terrorist" group.

It's a pretty good bet that all these, perfectly legal and constitutionally protected organizations will now, or have already been put into a government database and "watch list".

In case you missed it, a few weeks back, the President signed the National Defense Authorization Act (The NDAA) for 2012.

Contained in that legislation is wording that grants the executive branch and the defense department the "right" to detain and punish, up to execution any person it deems as being in "material support" of a terrorist organization.

That includes US citizens.

No judge, no jury, no trial, no bill of rights, no lawyer, no phone call, no due process, no nothing if they so choose.

You become an unperson, just another body in another state's mass grave system.

The people that will become unpersons first will be people with "links to known terrorist or extremist" groups.

The groups that are listed in that SPLC report.

The people that are right here.

Now, besides the egregious affront to liberty, the very idea that government should even be in the business of keeping "watch lists" of it's own people, in a supposedly free society, can you at least see why many people here, including myself, are up in arms over this "report"?

 

[specsaregood]

I am "officially" on the list.
Three different organizations in NH I am a part of are on "the list".

nobody likes a braggart.

 

[Anti Federalist]

nobody likes a braggart.

"Avenge me boys!!! AVENGE ME!!!"

 

[onlyrp]

Listen Josh, I'm know you're probably just trolling here, and getting a good laugh out of it.

I ain't josh, but I'll keep reading.

But for the benefit of those who don't know, and maybe you, if, in fact you are serious, let me sum up why the list is problematic, OK?

SPLC has a direct line to DHS.

This has been proven and documented many, many times.

Now, that means that government puts a lot of stock in what SPLC calls a "dangerous", "extremist" or "terrorist" group.

It's a pretty good bet that all these, perfectly legal and constitutionally protected organizations will now, or have already been put into a government database and "watch list".

Sure, except the government probably has more money and resources than them, and could easily do their own research.

In case you missed it, a few weeks back, the President signed the National Defense Authorization Act (The NDAA) for 2012.

Contained in that legislation is wording that grants the executive branch and the defense department the "right" to detain and punish, up to execution any person it deems as being in "material support" of a terrorist organization.

I didn't miss that, I might've missed the details, but I didn't need them to oppose it.

That includes US citizens.

No judge, no jury, no trial, no bill of rights, no lawyer, no phone call, no due process, no nothing if they so choose.

You become an unperson, just another body in another state's mass grave system.

The people that will become unpersons first will be people with "links to known terrorist or extremist" groups.

The groups that are listed in that SPLC report.

The people that are right here.

Now, besides the egregious affront to liberty, the very idea that government should even be in the business of keeping "watch lists" of it's own people, in a supposedly free society, can you at least see why many people here, including myself, are up in arms over this "report"?

So it's really not about the list, or SPLC, it's about the fact the government can abuse their power on people they dislike. So ultimately your problem is with the government and the indifference of innocent civilians. When a government encourages people to point out who's worth watching, do you blame opportunists for stepping up to the food plate?

I really don't know why you think I'm trolling when I'm telling people to calm down...

 

[pcosmar]

nobody likes a braggart.

It ain't bragging when it's true. I know some of the files on me.

I am known to put a gun in peoples faces. Documented.I am known to be "not sheep".
I am on lists.
I deliberately avoid "membership" in groups for their protection and mine.

This is why I also make it very clear that I have no part in the official campaign.
I'm just a guy that wants a free country.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I ain't josh, but I'll keep reading.

Well, for sheer contrariness, you are his online doppelganger then.

Sure, except the government probably has more money and resources than them, and could easily do their own research.

According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information. Gellately argued that it was because of the widespread willingness of Germans to inform on each other to the Gestapo that Germany between 1933 and 1945 was a prime example of Panopticism.

Indeed, the Gestapo—at times—was overwhelmed with denunciations and most of its time was spent sorting out the credible from the less credible denunciations.

Many of the local offices were understaffed and overworked, struggling with the paper load caused by so many denunciations. Gellately has also suggested that the Gestapo was "a reactive organization" that "...which was constructed within German society and whose functioning was structurally dependent on the continuing co-operation of German citizens.

So it's really not about the list, or SPLC, it's about the fact the government can abuse their power on people they dislike. So ultimately your problem is with the government and the indifference of innocent civilians. When a government encourages people to point out who's worth watching, do you blame opportunists for stepping up to the food plate?

Government can only abuse its power so far, without the support of the people behind it.

So yes, I do blame the Quislings and opportunists and filthy Vichy for cooperating and "stepping up to the food plate".

I really don't know why you think I'm trolling when I'm telling people to calm down...

Because people are rightly angry about this.

And because most of us understand that it has been "calm indifference" that has gone a long, long way into getting us into this mess.

If there was any sense of moral outrage left in this country, instead fat, dumb apathy, 20 million people would have already stormed DC, like the people of Iceland, or Greece, or Syria, or Egypt or China or ...

 

[TheTexan]

^ Extremist

 

[VegasPatriot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hslp5nqy2-U&list=FL-OvPXGAoeZsnzqq6IOZWfw&index=74&feature=plpp_video

 

[sparebulb]

Wow. Joyce Riley from The Power Hour made the list for Missouri.

I didn't know that advice on how to compost your kitchen scraps was racist, anti-semitic, or otherwise extremist.

No worries for Joyce, "onlyrp" has her back when the 'gubmint comes and NDAA's her ass away. /s

 

[Xhin]

Guys, has anyone actually read what the SPLC is or what they do?

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society.

Essentially, they're a non-profit organization, not a government agency or anything like that. Since they're against hate and bigotry however, their constant articles about the "patriot movement" implies that they think the groups listed in the OP's posts are extremists/radicals (not necessarily violent ones). Obviously, they're misguided, but they're no different than any other misguided nonprofit group *cough*GOP*cough*.

Also, the bold didn't carry over, so if you look at the original article, it lists groups in bold and the counties in which they operate underneath it. So if you see something like "Clarke County", it's a county in which the bolded group operates; the county itself is not listed as an extremist organization.

 

[onlyrp]

Guys, has anyone actually read what the SPLC is or what they do?

Yes, they just don't take their word for it.

Essentially, they're a non-profit organization, not a government agency or anything like that. Since they're against hate and bigotry however, their constant articles about the "patriot movement" implies that they think the groups listed in the OP's posts are extremists/radicals (not necessarily violent ones). Obviously, they're misguided, but they're no different than any other misguided nonprofit group *cough*GOP*cough*.

Obviously this forum isn't a misguided group.

Also, the bold didn't carry over, so if you look at the original article, it lists groups in bold and the counties in which they operate underneath it. So if you see something like "Clarke County", it's a county in which the bolded group operates; the county itself is not listed as an extremist organization.

I've found that they did a poor job with the bolding, see some examples I posted.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ups-by-state&p=4280326&viewfull=1#post4280326

 

[jeremiahj13]

Even in my past life, I hated the SPLC.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Had it been his call, Mack would not have made Rosa Parks get off that bus back in 1955, he says. She was merely disobeying a bad law, and cops waste time "enforcing stupid laws all the time."

How in the everloving fuck is this a bad thing? God damn, the SPLC is stupid.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

How in the everloving fuck is this a bad thing? God damn, the SPLC is stupid.

They're not stupid, they're evil.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

They're not stupid, they're evil.

Touche.

 

[Lishy]

Why is We are Change on the list? So the SPLC hates people who questions the government?

 

[Victor Grey]

Guys, has anyone actually read what the SPLC is or what they do?

Yes I've read what the SPLC is, I've read what the SPLC does. It's an organization that once upon a time was interested in bringing justice for people that were beaten to death for being certain colors, or who were lynched up in oak trees.

That isn't what the SPLC is. That is what it was once.

What the SPLC is, is an organization involved in about 30 years of mission creep because times
have changed and society has slowly transformed to different norms. There are not quite as many hundreds of people are having their churches burned down or see burning crosses in their yards and such anymore.


What the SPLC does, is desperately seek out to equate and label any, and everything on the politically right that it can, as equivalent to neonazis,
malevolent "archaists", or klansmen. To the point of slander.

Essentially, they're a non-profit organization, not a government agency or anything like that.

They're a group fervently devoted to steering public perceptions toward those they disagree with.

Since they're against hate and bigotry however, their constant articles about the "patriot movement" implies that they think the groups listed in the OP's posts are extremists/radicals (not necessarily violent ones).
Obviously, they're misguided, but they're no different than any other misguided nonprofit group *cough*GOP*cough*.

No. The SPLC is not equitable to the GOP or the Democratic party. It's a bad analogy. Some weak aspects of being "misguided" associated between those the two things in
question do not make them the same. They're not on the same level, nor are they equal. No more than comparing and contrast of a high school football
team has similarities to a wedding congregation.

They are still two different entities with huge differences that make them distinct from one another.

Anyway, that takes away from what is important, correctly judging the merits of the SPLC.

I am of course of a fairly negative opinion toward them. I see them as having a political agenda far beyond and honest levelheaded desire to address
racism or unacceptable racist actions.

I am not a member of any private militia, or any of those other organizations listed, or at least I would wager (give it long enough who knows the way
the SPLC keeps creeping up on what is worrisome in their opinion) however, I have heard enough from the people who are over the SPLC.
Bloggers, article from the organization, Mark Potok and his personal appearances.
I don't come away with the assumption they are benign at all. They remind me more of some inquisition for racism than level headed orseeking out
concerns honesty. Chock with their own hubris. Holding standards to the point of absurdity to what is determined as either racist, anti-government,
or dangerous.


I am fully convinced to little doubt, that if they were able to persuade people that I myself were a dangerous racist or extremist that should concern the public at large and thus must be watched, stifled monitors, removed or more, they would seek to do so any time it benefited them or their own political
agendas. With no hesitation.

They ARE political ideologues, and what they are not are benign watchdogs simply looking out to stand against racism.

 

[onlyrp]

Why is We are Change on the list? So the SPLC hates people who questions the government?

where in that page did they say they "hate" "dislike" "disapprove of" and "please fear" these people? They specifically described their page as a list of groups which adhere to belief of common law courts, conspiracy theories about the NWO, and other things.