Speech from 1958 predicts with accuracy the Insiders plans to destroy America
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I was born in 57, and started watching and was "aware" since the 70s. I have learned a hell of a lot in the last 3 years. It looks like nothing has improved, and all the efforts have only been a minor delaying action.
Now it seems things are accelerating.
Now it seems things are accelerating.
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prescience
that is awesome -- seems that the education process that he proposed failed up until now, possibly because it might have depended upon a press that betrayed us
and is now a part of the dark side
lynn
that is awesome -- seems that the education process that he proposed failed up until now, possibly because it might have depended upon a press that betrayed us
and is now a part of the dark side
lynn
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thanks for posting this!!!
bump.
Congressman Ron Paul endorses the John Birch Society; congratulates Society in its 50th year
Ron Paul Keynote Address at JBS 50th Anniversary
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He was wrong about the war and peace part.
But otherwise spot on.
Just three years before that was when Richard Nixon started the ball rolling, and began the end, by turning our currency and economy over to the Chi Coms.
Handed it to them on silver platter.
But otherwise spot on.
Just three years before that was when Richard Nixon started the ball rolling, and began the end, by turning our currency and economy over to the Chi Coms.
Handed it to them on silver platter.
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Can you expand on this? I only watched the first video and he sounded just like Ron Paul. He said we should remove all our troops from overseas unless it was a declared constitutional war.
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I was born in 57, and started watching and was "aware" since the 70s. I have learned a hell of a lot in the last 3 years. It looks like nothing has improved, and all the efforts have only been a minor delaying action.
Now it seems things are accelerating.
I'm convinced we will have to fight (physically) against our government if we want to maintain freedom in the nation.
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At 2:35 in the first video.
Number 9.
He speaks of the "peace" movement as being a propaganda front, that "peace at any cost" will be drummed into people's heads so that they will not be willing to fight about anything and accept peace on Communist terms.
Well, I wish peace had been drummed into people's heads.
Obviously just the opposite is true today, seems like every other citizen I meet wants war waged on somebody.
Of course, there is an element of time here considering that comments are almost 60 years old.
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Thanks. I misinterpreted what he said the first time around. I could see a modern talking head saying something similar in regards to terrorism, etc.
Not really. The Communists love to get involved in the anti-War movements especially when we're at war with a Communist country like the Soviet Union.
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Wikipedia:
Soviet influence on the peace movement
During the Cold War (1947–1991), when the Soviet Union and the USA were engaged in an arms race, several anti-war and pro-disarmament organizations were formed in the West, Asia, Africa and Latin America. It has been claimed that there were attempts by the Soviet Union to use them in its own interests.
The World Peace Council
Soviet foreign peace propaganda was led by the World Peace Council (WPC), an organization said by Richard Felix Staar to have received $63 million in Soviet funding.[1] It organized international peace conferences which condemned western armaments and weapons tests but refrained from criticizing Russian arms. For example, in 1956 it condemned the Suez war but not the Russian invasion of Hungary.[2]
The WPC tried to use non-aligned peace organizations to spread the Soviet point of view. In the 1950s, there was limited co-operation between non-aligned peace groups and the WPC, but western delegates who tried to criticise the Soviet Union at WPC conferences were often shouted down.[2] This led them to dissociate themselves from the WPC. In 1953, the International Liaison Committee of Organizations for Peace stated that it had "no association with the World Peace Council". In 1956, the German section of War Resisters International condemned the WPC for its failure to respond to Soviet H-bomb tests. In Sweden, Aktionsgruppen Mot Svensk Atombomb discouraged its members from participating in communist-led peace committees. In Britain, CND advised local groups in 1958 not to participate in a forthcoming WPC conference. In the USA, SANE rejected WPC appeals for co-operation. The WPC attempted to co-opt the eminent peace campaigner Bertrand Russell, much to his annoyance, and he refused to associate with them. As a result of confrontation between western and Soviet delegates at the 1962 World Congress for Peace and Disarmament, organised by the WPC, forty non-aligned organizations decided to form a new international body, the International Confederation for Disarmament and Peace, to which Soviet delegates were not invited.[3]
In 1980, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence received reports that six peace groups were "closely connected" with the World Peace Council:[1][4]
* the Christian Peace Conference, which received $210,000 from Soviet sources;
* the International Institute for Peace, which received $260,000;
* International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, which the Committee said had "overlapping membership and similar policies" to the WPC;
* the Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs and
* the Dartmouth Conferences, both of which the Committee said were used by Soviet delegates to promote Soviet propaganda; and
* the Esperantist Movement for World Peace, which was said to have had had a "special slot" in the WPC.
* the International Institute for Peace, which received $260,000;
* International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, which the Committee said had "overlapping membership and similar policies" to the WPC;
* the Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs and
* the Dartmouth Conferences, both of which the Committee said were used by Soviet delegates to promote Soviet propaganda; and
* the Esperantist Movement for World Peace, which was said to have had had a "special slot" in the WPC.
However, Joseph Rotblat, one of the leaders of the Pugwash movement, said in his 1998 Bertrand Russell Peace Lecture that there were a few participants in the conferences from the Soviet Union "who were obviously sent to push the party line, but the majority were genuine scientists and behaved as such";[5] and the World Esperanto Movement for Peace, being most strongly represented in Hungary and East Germany, was not really part of the Western peace movement.[6]
Following the large peace demonstrations in Europe in October and November 1981, US President Ronald Reagan said that "those are all sponsored by a thing called the World Peace Council, which is bought and paid for by the Soviet Union".[7][8] The Soviet defector Vladimir Bukovsky claimed that the "Soviets ... were running the whole show", and that they co-ordinated the demonstrations at the 1980 World Parliament of Peoples for Peace in Sofia.[9] The peace activist E.P.Thompson said that he had never met anyone who had attended the Sofia conference.[7] Dr Julian Lewis, a British Conservative MP, claimed that it was attended by the CND treasurer, Mick Elliott.[10] The Soviet Peace Committee, a Soviet government organization, is said by the Russian defector and double agent Sergei Tretyakov to have funded and organized demonstrations in Europe against US bases.[11][12] After mass demonstrations in West Germany in 1981, an official investigation turned up circumstantial evidence but no absolute proof of KGB involvement and western intelligence experts believed that the mass movement in opposition to NATO missiles in Europe at that time was probably not Soviet-inspired.[13] The Soviet Peace Committee, a Soviet government organization, is said to have funded and organized demonstrations in Europe against US bases.[11][12]
In testimony before the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the FBI claimed that a Communist-front group, the U.S. Peace Council, was among the organizers of a large 1982 peace protest in New York City, but said that the KGB had not manipulated the American movement "significantly."[13]
Wider Soviet influence
Some writers have suggested that the influence of the Soviet Union reached beyond the World Peace Council. An analysis of Soviet attempts to influence Western peace movements was presented by Staar in his book Foreign Policies of the Soviet Union, in which he said that the goal of such movements was to "spread Soviet propaganda themes and create false impression of public support for the foreign policies of Soviet Union." Non-communist peace movements without overt ties to the USSR, he said, were "virtually controlled" by it and most of their supporters - so-called "useful idiots" - were unwitting instruments of Soviet propaganda.[1]
Russian GRU defector Stanislav Lunev said in his autobiography that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad," and that during the Vietnam War the USSR gave $1 billion to American anti-war movements, more than it gave to the VietCong, although he did not mention any organization by name.[14] Lunev described this as a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost".[14] A US State Department official estimated that $600 million may have been spent on the peace offensive up to 1983.[13]
Oleg Kalugin, a former KGB general, said that the KGB ran "all sorts of congresses, peace congresses, youth congresses, festivals, women's movements, trade union movements, campaigns against U.S. missiles in Europe, campaigns against neutron weapons" and that "all sorts of forgeries and faked material - [were] targeted at politicians, the academic community, at [the] public at large," although he did not name any organizations either.[15]
According to the Danish Ministry of Justice, the KGB promised to help finance advertisements signed by prominent Danish artists who wanted Scandinavia to be declared a nuclear-free zone. In November 1981, Norway expelled a suspected KGB agent who had offered bribes to Norwegians to get them to write letters to newspapers denouncing the deployment of new NATO missiles.[13]
There have been reports of Soviet attempts to influence scientific debate about the effects of nuclear war. In 1985 Time magazine noted "the suspicions of some Western scientists that the nuclear winter scenario was promoted by Moscow to give antinuclear groups in the U.S. and Europe some fresh ammunition against America's arms buildup."[16] Journalist Pete Earley reported in his book Comrade J claims by Sergei Tretyakov that some time between 1979 and 1982 nuclear winter was invented by the KGB at the bidding of Yuri Andropov and foisted on the west shortly after NATO approved the deployment of Pershing II missiles.[17] Tretyakov says that two un-named fraudulent papers about global cooling were commissioned by the KGB, one alleged to be by physicist Kirill Kondratyev about dust storms in the Karakum Desert, the other alleged to be by climatologist Georgii Golitsyn with mathematicians Nikita Moiseyev and Vladimir Alexandrov about dust storms after a nuclear war. Tretyakov says that the KGB suspected that Western scientists would not believe the "ridiculous" reports in these bogus papers,[18] so they were never published, and the KGB resorted instead to "covert active measures" to spread their findings. He claims that "Information from the study's key findings was distributed by KGB officers to their contacts in peace, anti-nuclear, disarmament, and environmental organisations in an effort to get these groups to publicize the propagandists' script."[18] Tretyakov says that the KGB "targeted" the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences journal, Ambio. According to Earley, in 1982, an editor at Ambio asked Nobel laureate Paul Crutzen to write about the impact of nuclear blast on the atmosphere. Earley is critical of Carl Sagan's role in the dissemination of the idea of nuclear winter but he does not claim that he was used by the KGB. However, Nigel West in a review of Comrade J draws from Earley's account the conclusion that the KGB's propaganda offensive was "led by Carl Sagan".[19] Despite Tretyakov's claims about KGB covert measures between 1979 and 1982, US scientists had been publishing reports on similar topics since the 1960s.[20][21][22][23][24] Starley L. Thompson of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, said that the nuclear winter model had been developed in the United States in the early 1970s.[25] Kondratyev's work on dust storms was published in the USA in 1976.[26] Work on the effects of nuclear war had been initiated by Ambio in 1980 and in 1981 the United States National Research Council had set up a study panel on the dust effects of nuclear explosions.
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True, which is why I qualified my remark by adding a line about the passage of time.
But now the USSR is gone and our state apparatus and its organs, far from drumming "peace" into people's heads, drum war into it.
And we, now, appear to be the "radicals" and "flower children" and "peaceniks".
ETA - We are the only true "peace" folks, considering that any leftist opposition to the wars dried up and blew away like a fart in a blizzard, once O-bomb-ya came to town.
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Robert Welch thought if he could wake the American people up, we could whip the evil beast.
He didn't realize most Americans prefer to stay asleep.
He didn't realize most Americans prefer to stay asleep.
The United States beat the Nazis, we can beat the Communists too.
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