Special Operations troops assaulted downtown Tampa … all to thunderous applause

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When I interpret standing army I see it as having an active duty military capable of defending our nation.

We are not in disagreement as far as a large standing army.

And I am a Marine. Calling me Army is an insult. :D

Also, only .4% of the population is Active Duty:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/what-percentage-of-americans-have-served-in-the-military/

So really it is HOW our military is used, and WHY so much money is wasted.

Look, I swear I'm not a neocon with a bloodlust to invade every country that has oil in it.

I simply recognize that warfighting is serious business (from experience) that takes time to learn the most basic training.

Then it takes significant practice to gain even the most minimum proficiency.

Perhaps if we didn't spend our money on F-35's, abortions of Super carriers like the Gerold Ford (it's cost a ton of money and is also a POS like the F35), and instead spent money on a defensive posture, modern nuclear missle for the good old MAD policy and generally simply budgeted intelligently, strigently and with forward thinking we could have a great modern military that is also cost effective.


I agree.

I think the reserves are great. They have a lot of experience and maintain minimal proficiency but can quickly gen up if they need to.
 
Bow and arrows? Did you guys not learn that that is no way to be victorious?

I still have one , but I only use it when I run out of ammo or when no noise is desired and it is farther away than I can close with my Tomahawk. I can make my own ammo for it .
 
Legalization would be a fantastic step towards reducing the power of the cartels. Too bad the "drugs are bad mmkay" crowd still has prohibtion going.

I think we should not get caught up in the hypotheticals though, but look at the here and now, and see cartels are a serious problem.

I agree with your solution, but until the country is on board with that idea we will face a threat from cartel violence.

The only "cartels" that are a problem are those bred in the School of the Americas. The CIA's boys.

the others were grower/merchant co-ops.

once you sift through the propaganda
 
I was going to post, "Marine Raiders! WTF, did they build a time machine too?", but then I thought I should check just to make sure....
In 2014, the Marine Special Operations Regiment, serving under the*United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command*(MARSOC), was renamed the*Marine Raider Regiment. This change was implemented to better show that modern Marine special operations forces trace their lineage and heritage back to the WWII Raiders. Individual Marines of the Marine Raider Regiment are once again called*Marine Raiders.
and surprise, Gung ho is back.
 
I wonder if they use the old patch ?
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/06/24/heres-why-marsoc-wont-adopt-raiders-patch/29238299/
Here's why MARSOC won't adopt the Raiders' skull insignia
By Hope Hodge Seck, Staff writer

CAMP LEJEUNE, N.C. — In the Raider Room at Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command headquarters here, the focal point is unmistakable: the iconic World War II Raiders emblem on a banner, featuring a menacing skull surrounded by five stars arrayed in a "Southern Cross" on a midnight blue background.

But while MARSOC renamed its subordinate units for the Raiders in a much-anticipated move earlier this month, the command won't be adopting the famous skull logo, officials said. Maj. Gen. Joseph Osterman, MARSOC's commander, told reporters this decision was actually an acknowledgment of the Raiders' history and the multiple Marine units that can claim to be part of its lineage.

"Those Raider battalions had a very specific emblem that was associated with them," Osterman said. "For MARSOC, it was really about taking on some pieces of that iconic emblem ... but to make it different."

MARINE CORPS TIMES

Legendary Marine Raiders attend MARSOC's renaming ceremony

The legendary Raiders existed for a short, kinetic period between 1942 and 1944. During those years, the four Raider battalions conducted amphibious raids in the Asia-Pacific region as one of the first U.S. special operations contingents to fight in the war. They were later disbanded, and the battalions were re-purposed under 4th Marine Regiment. Those units remain active across the Marine Corps.

The Marines' reconnaissance battalions can also lay claim to the Raiders bloodline. Prior to MARSOC's activation, the elite recon units were the Marines' closest connection to the special operations world. When MARSOC was created in 2006, its first personnel came from 1st and 2nd Force Reconnaissance Companies, which were briefly deactivated due to a lack of manpower.

The Raiders influence can be seen in the insignias used by all these units. The 1st Battalion, 4th Marines emblem uses a version of the Raiders' Southern Cross, while the Marines' four reconnaissance battalions — three active and one Reserve — all feature an adaptation of the iconic skull.

"The lineage actually goes back to 4th Marines when they took apart the Raider battalions and made another Marine regiment," Osterman said. "... So for our part, [we used] the commando knife and things like that, that they still used in World War II but we changed it just a little bit for being MARSOC rather than actually the Raider lineage."

All of MARSOC's eight subordinate Raider units now feature the Southern Cross in their unit emblem; most also feature the upward-facing stiletto knife used by the original Raiders in the Pacific.

For Karen Lovin, the granddaughter of 2nd Raider Battalion commander Evans Carlson and the president of the Marine Raider Association, the insignia is far less important than the spirit behind it.

"What was significant to the Raiders was not the emblem they wear on their sleeves but what they value, what they carry in their hearts," she said.

She said she had observed in MARSOC's active-duty Marines the same kind of intensive training, the same commitment to the mission, and even the same close relationship between officers and enlisted troops that she recognized from the original Raider units.

"These men aren't just warriors, they're peacekeepers and makers. It's emblematic of who and what the Raiders were," she said. "In every way, they're in lockstep with the Raiders."

Regardless of philosophy and lineage, however, MARSOC's Raiders will continue to sport the vintage skull patch, albeit in an unauthorized capacity. Though not formally approved for uniform use, MARSOC troops have made a habit of donning the patch during deployments.

"That insignia is a source of pride and has been a source of pride," said Maj. Ed Norris, the commanding officers of 3rd Marine Raider Support Battalion. "It is something that Marines have identified with T-shirts, with hats, really just to honor the Marines that have gone before us. And now to officially have that is an honor."

Lovin said about a dozen MARSOC Marines had proudly showed her their Raiders patches. One gunnery sergeant, she said, told her he'd brought it with him on eight deployments in the last decade.

"The deep royal blue color of the patch had faded to almost a baby blue," she said. "So I know he had it out in the sun."
 
Bow and arrows? Did you guys not learn that that is no way to be victorious?

The guys in the pic would be easy pickin's once you sink the boat. Not easy swimming with an arrow through the neck,LOL
 
The operation was, of course, an exercise, but it was also a public spectacle for a force that has tried desperately to remain in the shadows despite now being at the forefront of America’s wars.

Sheeeit... A couple years ago when Pentagon information systems were successfully hacked, all their personal information was made available to our enemies. My little brother is right at the top of ISIS/Alqaeda/YouNameIt lists of people to assassinate for reasons I will not go into, save to say that his work has been central and monumental in some of the most significant and successful operations in that region. Use your imagination and you will probably not be far from truth. He would almost certainly be one of the aces in that deck, and all his shit is out there, just like everyone else's. There is no anonymity from the people for whom that condition is most necessary. So covering up their faces is availing them nothing in a world where some very serious money is devoted to finding and tracking them. Nothing more dangerous than a false sense of security.
 
some of the most significant and successful operations in that region.

My friend,, with my deepest respect.

If you believe for a second that there has ever been such,, you are sadly deluded.

:(
 
My friend,, with my deepest respect.

If you believe for a second that there has ever been such,, you are sadly deluded.

:(

You need to distinguish between military success and political.
 
I was going to join the Marines, but my head wouldn't fit in the jar. That, and I couldn't bring myself to accept the doctrine that in the dark, the Navy rank of Seaman becomes Seawomen. That is part of Marine regs. Look it up, it's listed in cold weather survival.

Why does the Navy put their name tags on their back pocket, instead of the front breast like the other armed forces? It's so the Marines remember who it was they fucked the night before, and know who to call the next day if it went well.

Why does the Navy issue powered soap to it's members as bath soap? It takes a lot longer to pick up in the shower when dropped, and increases their chances of meeting that special Marine.

I really shoulnd't knock the Marines though, as they have something in common with the Army. We both see the Air Force and the Navy as the same thing. Places to gives soldiers and marines plane rides and boat rides to the fight. Beats walking or swimming.
 
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