Speaker of the House for 118th US Congress

[69360]

That's not an answer to what I said, complete change of topic = cognitive dissonance.

You spouted yet another ridiculous 3d chess theory about Trump, I told you the truth is nobody cares about him, he is quickly becoming irrelevent.

 

[pcosmar]

, he is quickly becoming irrelevent.

keep telling yourself that.

Huge crowds of Americans disagree.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Also this is more than likely the end of Trump. His little trumpkin representatives are openly defying him and not voting for McCarthy. He has no real influence anymore.

The assumption and accusation from the left was that the rebel members were all MAGA under the control of Trump. That was just as much a lie as saying they are under the control of Putin or Russia.

Them defying Trump just negated a false narrative.

 

[Origanalist]

 

[Anti Federalist]

No, it is that nobody cares about Trump anymore. They know he is washed up.

You keep saying that...


Trump Leads Potential Opponents in Hypothetical 2024 GOP Primary

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...l-opponents-in-hypothetical-2024-gop-primary/

NICK GILBERTSON 4 Jan 2023

Former President Donald Trump holds a double-digit lead over his potential opponents in a hypothetical 2024 Republican primary survey.

In the latest survey from Morning Consult’s “2024 GOP Primary Elections Tracker,” 45 percent of potential Republican primary voter participants support Trump in his quest for the presidential nomination, placing him as the front-runner. Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) sits 11 points back of Trump in second place with 34 percent of the respondents’ support, followed by former Vice President Mike Pence at eight percent.

Former Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley and former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) both have three percent support, while Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) has just two percent. Govs. Greg Abbott (R-TX), Kristi Noem (R-SD), Glenn Youngkin (R-VA), and former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo all sit at one percent.

 

[vita3]

The dumbest won’t ever admit they have been had.

& that’s the only group that still entertains Orange histrionics shystering

(Still can get a large crowd of them together to yell & scream for their WWF-like champ)

 

[dannno]

The dumbest won’t ever admit they have been had.

& that’s the only group that still entertains Orange histrionics shystering

(Still can get a large crowd of them together to yell & scream for their WWF-like champ)

Yet the establishment still hates him. Sounds like a net-positive.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Trump should be rallying behind the opposition to McCarthy. Instead he's endorsing the California Republican who actively opposed him during his presidency.

This is John Bolton all over again.

There will be no draining of the swamp.

 

[dannno]

You spouted yet another ridiculous 3d chess theory about Trump, I told you the truth is nobody cares about him, he is quickly becoming irrelevent.

How is wanting the Republican establishment to be supportive of his Presidential run a 3D chess move? That is a checkers move. Ron Paul even did it. Almost NOBODY in politics is saying what they really want to say right now. Massie is supporting McCarthy, do you think Massie likes McCarthy? No, he likes his committee seats. Ron Paul did the same thing. Was it a 3D chess move when he did it?

I'm telling you, you have major cognitive dissonance when it comes to anything Trump related. You need to fix that if you want to have rational conversations.

 

[dannno]

Trump should be rallying behind the opposition to McCarthy. Instead he's endorsing the California Republican who actively opposed him during his presidency.

This is John Bolton all over again.

There will be no draining of the swamp.

There will most definitely be no draining of the swamp if he isn't President.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Massie have all done the same thing. I don't understand why it is so hard to understand. Sometimes you have to stand for principles, sometimes you might have to play ball.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The dumbest won’t ever admit they have been had.

& that’s the only group that still entertains Orange histrionics shystering

(Still can get a large crowd of them together to yell & scream for their WWF-like champ)

Ok, so Trump supporters are a bunch of idiots.

My point to 69360 was that they have not gone away and Trump, for good or bad, is still a potent political force to be dealt with.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

There will most definitely be no draining of the swamp if he isn't President.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Massie have all done the same thing. I don't understand why it is so hard to understand. Sometimes you have to stand for principles, sometimes you might have to play ball.

As you pointed out, Ron and Massie had to play ball because they were beholden to the Speaker as members of the house. Trump is not. Trump's political cache is in being the rogue... the outsider committed to "draining the swamp". Simply put, what message does it send to his base - a base that is practically on the edge of outright rebellion - that he is endorsing the second highest ranking establishment Republican (after McConnell) on Capitol Hill? These are the very people who stood in direct opposition to him during his presidency. They're uniparty.

And the idea that he's going to "drain the swamp" if he wins in 2024 is laughable. He didn't do it in his first term, having surrounded himself with every manner of swamp creature including one of the worst in Bolton... and now his endorsement of McCarthy? He's telling his base that not only did he not learn from his mistakes, he's doubling down on them.

 

[dannno]

As you pointed out, Ron and Massie had to play ball because they were beholden to the Speaker as members of the house. Trump is not. Trump's political cache is in being the rogue... the outsider committed to "draining the swamp". Simply put, what message does it send to his base - a base that is practically on the edge of outright rebellion - that he is endorsing the second highest ranking establishment Republican (after McConnell) on Capitol Hill? These are the very people who stood in direct opposition to him during his presidency. They're uniparty.

And the idea that he's going to "drain the swamp" if he wins in 2024 is laughable. He didn't do it in his first term, having surrounded himself with every manner of swamp creature including one of the worst in Bolton... and now his endorsement of McCarthy? He's telling his base that not only did he not learn from his mistakes, he's doubling down on them.

I don't know what the exact probability is that Trump will drain the swamp, but I know it isn't zero. Past behavior isn't always indicative of future behavior.

Do you have any better options?

As far as being beholden to the party, he hasn't been elected yet. I think Trump knows his base is pretty strong, they know he has to play politics. He might figure he gets a bigger swing from not rocking the boat too much in DC. At least until he is elected, hopefully.

 

[CaptUSA]

Do we really care who they select to lead these cretins?

I mean, I want to see Massie get some nice committee assignments, but other than that, I don't care who organizes the fundraising or cracks the party whip.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I don't know what the exact probability is that Trump will drain the swamp, but I know it isn't zero. Past behavior isn't always indicative of future behavior.

Do you have any better options?

As far as being beholden to the party, he hasn't been elected yet. I think Trump knows his base is pretty strong, they know he has to play politics. He might figure he gets a bigger swing from not rocking the boat too much in DC. At least until he is elected, hopefully.

I wouldn't say that his base is strong anymore... maybe, maybe not, but after the vax position and now this one, it has to be in question. From a strict political calculus evaluation, I don't see this as a good move on his part - the hardline of the conservative base is lined up behind the quote-unquote Rebels against McCarthy. Trump throwing in on behalf of him doesn't seem like a smart move to me, just as his continued persistence on his vax position. Meanwhile DeSantis (and I'm not saying I'm supporting him) is quietly building a strong case to be the insurgent candidate.

As to whether I could suggest better options... yep - Rand, Thomas Massie, Dave Smith, Spike Cohen. Yeah, I know none of them would win because none of them are darlings of the party. But that's precisely the problem. DC is captured. It's game over when it comes to Uncle Sugar. There's no turning back from that. The ONLY solution is secession. Period. And that's kind of my point with Trump - he's either stupid (he's not) or he's playing the game... and once you start playing the game, the only way to win is to play by their rules. And "win" doesn't mean that we the people win, it means that he doesn't get his head blown off within the 4 years he's in office.

And frankly dude, I don't get how you don't get this at this point.

 

[devil21]

Ok, so Trump supporters are a bunch of idiots.

If someone is still falling for that conman after all evidence shows he's a conman then yes absolutely that person is an idiot. Whether there are still a lot of idiots around is somewhat irrelevant (and debatable since I don't see much enthusiasm online that doesn't reek of paid astroturf) since there's always been a lot of idiots around. Now, can Donald interest you in a $150 t-shirt? It's only available to 100 of his yugest supporters and you've been lucky enough to be selected! Act now before they're all gone!

My point to 69360 was that they have not gone away and Trump, for good or bad, is still a potent political force to be dealt with.

Not really. Perhaps you forgot that nearly every candidate, if not every one, he endorsed in 2022 lost? Though I guess that could be considered politically relevant since he could just effectively sabotage Republican candidates with his endorsement.....hmmm.

Any way, so tired of talking about Trump and seeing him popping up in (injected into) every damn thread. He's only sticking around to provide more distraction, more division and to continue his grift for as long as possible.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

If someone is still falling for that conman after all evidence shows he's a conman then yes absolutely that person is an idiot. Whether there are still a lot of idiots around is somewhat irrelevant (and debatable since I don't see much enthusiasm online that doesn't reek of paid astroturf) since there's always been a lot of idiots around. Now, can Donald interest you in a $150 t-shirt? It's only available to 100 of his yugest supporters and you've been lucky enough to be selected! Act now before they're all gone!



Not really. Perhaps you forgot that nearly every candidate, if not every one, he endorsed in 2022 lost? Though I guess that could be considered politically relevant since he could just effectively sabotage Republican candidates with his endorsement.....hmmm.

Any way, so tired of talking about Trump and seeing him popping up in (injected into) every damn thread. He's only sticking around to provide more distraction, more division and to continue his grift for as long as possible.

I'll be surprised (and this is not a prediction, just a speculation) if he even bothers to make a 2024 run, at this point.

 

[dannno]

Not really. Perhaps you forgot that nearly every candidate, if not every one, he endorsed in 2022 lost?

The problem with listening to you is that you believe a lot of the mainstream media hoaxes. Trump's record in 2022 was actually VERY good. At least 80-90%.

It makes me wonder how many of the other hoaxes you believe that affect your decision.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Not really. Perhaps you forgot that nearly every candidate, if not every one, he endorsed in 2022 lost?

I didn't forget that, because it didn't happen.

In 2022 Trump endorsed a total of 495 candidates.

241 he endorsed in the primaries. 94 percent won.

254 he endorsed in the general election. 83 percent won.

This is the point I was making to 69360.

Love him or hate him, you cannot address whatever issue you have with him by just making shit up.

ETA - And you won't get very far calling them Trumpkins or Trump-humpers or whatever other insult you want to throw at them that you picked up from the Marxist media organs.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of people at a Trump rally, politically, want the same thing all of us here want.

Save your insults for the demons of the Marxist left who really are on a campaign to bring about a new dark age of death.

And are currently way ahead in the game.

 

[69360]

You keep saying that...


Trump Leads Potential Opponents in Hypothetical 2024 GOP Primary

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...l-opponents-in-hypothetical-2024-gop-primary/

NICK GILBERTSON 4 Jan 2023

Former President Donald Trump holds a double-digit lead over his potential opponents in a hypothetical 2024 Republican primary survey.

In the latest survey from Morning Consult’s “2024 GOP Primary Elections Tracker,” 45 percent of potential Republican primary voter participants support Trump in his quest for the presidential nomination, placing him as the front-runner. Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) sits 11 points back of Trump in second place with 34 percent of the respondents’ support, followed by former Vice President Mike Pence at eight percent.

Former Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley and former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) both have three percent support, while Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) has just two percent. Govs. Greg Abbott (R-TX), Kristi Noem (R-SD), Glenn Youngkin (R-VA), and former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo all sit at one percent.

Look at the trend. Trump's numbers are falling fast there is no denying it. DeSantis will lead all the polls soon.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e..._republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html