Spanking

[Kludge]

Woohoo! Single voice of dissent again. Spanking any other person would be assault... no different for kids. You don't spank the mentally retarded when they're bad. You reason with them, and if not possible, take away good (ground, take away toys, don't go to Disneyworld, etc. etc.). Disable good, don't enable bad.

If you really have to, give 'em a good drink.

 

[phill4paul]

Woohoo! Single voice of dissent again.

I think not.

 

[BuddyRey]

Spanking is primarily for crude people who lack creativity. There are many ways to discipline your children that are much more effective, and have much more of a deterrent factor.

I don't think it should be illegal, but I think it's brutal and disgusting.

 

[Uriel999]

says the guy who is in love with bunchies.......

I'm not in love with bunchies, I just want to respect their right to be a smiley free and liberated on RPF.

Trying to reason with some little kids is like trying to teach a monkey to use a typewriter. When you tell a child not to do something, and they they continue to do it anyway, it is time to let them have a good firm pat on the butt.

If a policeman could only stand on the corner and yell at people who were running red lights, would the people pay any attention to him? Come on, reason only works if the person has a reason to listen.

Exactly.

 

[Kludge]

I think not.

It should be illegal

1 2.70%
ORLY?

 

[Matt Collins]

I edited the OP just for you.

This thread is about the use of spanking as discipline. For spanking as erotic activity, see erotic spanking. For punishment as an erotic activity, see BDSM.

Thanks for clearing that up

 

[satchelmcqueen]

spanking is good for the kid if done right.

i got it as a kid and it worked.

my kids get it when needed.

 

[angelatc]

Spanking is primarily for crude people who lack creativity. There are many ways to discipline your children that are much more effective, and have much more of a deterrent factor.

I don't think it should be illegal, but I think it's brutal and disgusting.

LOL! Like what? Name one. What has more of a deterrent factor than a swat on the butt? Time outs? Taking a toy away?

LOL!!!!

Again, how many of you anti-spankers have kids?

Again, people that don't spank their kids have brats living in their house. It's that pure for me.

 

[TinyMachines]

I was spanked as a child, more when I was very young. It didn't really make me understand why what I did was wrong...but it did make me much sneakier. All the kids in my family learned how to be invisible when needed (and my parents had 8 kids.) We all hid when my father got home. At the time I thought it was okay because the Bible mentioned it and my father didn't want to spank us. But now I realize it was clearly abuse. Only one of my dad's children still speak to him.

What is annoying, with more than one kid, my parents punished the wrong child pretty often. One year I made a list of all the wrongful spankings I got that year and gave it to my dad for christmas. That's about the age where they stopped spanking me anymore.

 

[phill4paul]

It should be illegal

1 2.70%
ORLY?

You are correct, sir. Though I have spoken out against it I did not choose that it should be illegal on the poll. I chose "other".

Branding with a hot iron worked for me. It is my "gut instinct" that it will work for others.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

LOL! Like what? Name one. What has more of a deterrent factor than a swat on the butt? Time outs? Taking a toy away?

LOL!!!!

Again, how many of you anti-spankers have kids?

Again, people that don't spank their kids have brats living in their house. It's that pure for me.

I don't have kids, but I've been a kid. If you're good at psychology, you don't need to spank, IMHO. I don't have the solution, but I'm sure we have some psychologists here that do.

My sis was spanked, but she still turned out to be a brat, so your evidence is pretty weak.

btw, some resources for you-
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[angelatc]

You are correct, sir. Though I have spoken out against it I did not choose that it should be illegal on the poll. I chose "other".

Branding with a hot iron worked for me. It is my "gut instinct" that it will work for others.

Oh grow up. There's a huge difference between a branding iron and a swat on the butt.

If you're not smart enough to know the difference then....well, I'll stop there.

 

[acptulsa]

Snicker - just curious....do you have kids? Because I can absolutely assure you that the abilities to listen and talk have very little to do with the ability to reason.

I've done the stepdad thing with abused kids. If you pay attention to them when they're good and ignore them or reason with them when they aren't (No, I'm not going to spank you--I want you to stop doing this dangerous thing because I don't want you to get hurt) you find that, one, they act up because it's the only way to get attention, and two, you're their new hero.

Special case, I admit. Certainly it's undeniable that someone had already 'gotten their attention' so I didn't have to.

One hell of a fine pair of young gentlemen. Hope they're still o.k.

Anyway, the long and the short of it is, punishment must be just. You have to have a reason and you have to explain it. Spoiled kids and abused kids have variations of the same problem. One thinks there's no such thing as consequences, the other thinks consequences come no matter what. Neither learn what they need to know--that actions have consequences.

 

[Freedom 4 all]

I think I might have got spanked one or two times but overall I grew up in a very anti spanking home and I turned out all right. I don't think I'll do it when I have kids. I don't believe it's an effective form of discipline and more and more studies are showing it actually increases certain behavioral problems. Making spanking illegal however is insanity.

 

[angelatc]

I don't have kids, but I've been a kid. If you're good at psychology, you don't need to spank, IMHO. I don't have the solution, but I'm sure we have some psychologists here that do.

My sis was spanked, but she still turned out to be a brat, so your evidence is pretty weak.

My best friends in Illinois were the nicest people you could ever imagine. He was a psychiatrist, and she had her PhD in Marriage and Family Therapy. Their kids were the most awful children you can ever imagine.

I've seen plenty of professional solutions that don't work in action.

My kids aren't perfect, but I guarantee you that they are at least well behaved when grown-ups are watching.

 

[angelatc]

I think I might have got spanked one or two times but overall I grew up in a very anti spanking home and I turned out all right. I don't think I'll do it when I have kids. I don't believe it's an effective form of discipline and more and more studies are showing it actually increases certain behavioral problems. Making spanking illegal however is insanity.

Pish. More and more studies produced by liberal idiots, you mean.

 

[revolutionist]

Can you walk up to someone on the street and spank them? No, it's assault.


Why are kids any different? Just because they are your children does not mean that they are your property.

 

[Freedom 4 all]

Pish. More and more studies produced by liberal idiots, you mean.

Well, if a near consensus in the APA is just a bunch of liberal idiots then yeah. The problem with spanking is it doesn't teach the child what he/she did was wrong, it teaches them not to get caught next time. Only reason actually places in moral values. Spanking also teaches that violence is an effective solution to any problem you may have with someone smaller/weaker than yourself.

 

[Kludge]

Results are unimportant anyway. Y'all are arguing whether or not we should bailout the "Big Three" based on potential outcomes instead of whether or not the "solution" is ethical.

 

[phill4paul]

Oh grow up. There's a huge difference between a branding iron and a swat on the butt.

If you're not smart enough to know the difference then....well, I'll stop there.

Now we come to it!

What defines a spanking?

Is it a swat on the wrist as a child reaches for the hot stove? Is it a "It is gonna hurt me more than it is gonna hurt you" butt spanking?

Or is it a belt? Worse yet is it a belt buckle? Or in my case a bubber nippled ping pong paddle (parents don't try this at home).

The point is you don't have to. If you raise your kid right they will look up to you as a Christian would Christ. Merely falling out of your grace would deter them.

In a family of four children that didn't "spare the rod" one sibling stood out and raised a generation without "spanking". That siblings children are the most well adapted and behaved as I have ever met.

Disclaimer: I have no Guvment statistics to back this claim up, nor do I have children of my own. I do, however "borrow" them on occasion when ask to.