Someone Tell Me Why I Should Still Care?

Please, before you give up on this cause,show those of us who have not had the chance to affect the outcome in upcoming primaries the respect of supporting us, as we did you in your primaries. The mentality you are expressing is EXACTLY the same as our most ardent foes.
To give up at this point, when there are so many possible outcomes would be foolish. Please buck up and keep on working for Ron Paul!!
 
CGRescueSwimmer said:
After giving a crap about my country and just about everything I could spare for the last few months, could someone please tell me why I should still care after my fellow "citizens" have clearly demonstrated they would rather vote for someone they think will win instead of someone they know will make their life better?

I almost feel like if this is the "will" of people, then maybe I don't want to be a part of where it's going...

But that's just me. What do you think? And why should I still care?
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1) Grow a pair of testicles. Or buy some neuticles.

2) Most of America doesn't know who Ron Paul is because he is never given the TV airtime of a "front runner." They are not rejecting the man or his ideas, they, for the most part, either do not know who the heck he is or think he is "not electable" and to vote for him is "wasting a vote." You aren't going to break, and therefore neither is Paul. Deal with it.

3) Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." -Tom Paine, The Crisis

4) This fight ends when you quit, not before.
 
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CGRescueSwimmer said:
However, how can I still believe the establishment channels for bringing change will be effective if the "masses" only want to vote for a winner?
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Well, we haven't exhausted all our options yet. Political change through the ballot box is only one area.

We can also act as a singular group for change by

1) Writing and putting other pressure on elected officials
2) Using Jury Nullification to strike down laws they pass that deprive people of rights
3) Use the new "money bomb" strategy to fund liberty oriented political groups, PACs, etc.
4) And possibly even restart American assemblies

The list goes on. We have a strong foundation to build on, and I don't think we'll waste it. But we have to expand our scope of strategies.
 
joelfarm said:
Please, before you give up on this cause,show those of us who have not had the chance to affect the outcome in upcoming primaries the respect of supporting us, as we did you in your primaries. The mentality you are expressing is EXACTLY the same as our most ardent foes.
To give up at this point, when there are so many possible outcomes would be foolish. Please buck up and keep on working for Ron Paul!!
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As a fellow (albeit former Tar Heel, currently watching the big game (Go Heels!)) I never meant to give the impression I was giving up.

I will never stop fighting ignorance or intolerance.

But I did want to express my doubts about the ability of the average joe in this country today to understand the situation and stakes, much less take a stand for beliefs they have reached on their own and are willing to work and fight for.
 
If we are lucky, we may win the war for freedom in our lifetimes.

If we're lucky.

This was step 1 - show a small but intelligent minority how badly they are getting raped, and the original intent of the founders/constitution.
 
Malakai0 said:
If we are lucky, we may win the war for freedom in our lifetimes.

If we're lucky.

This was step 1 - show a small but intelligent minority how badly they are getting raped, and the original intent of the founders/constitution.
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And I have to believe it will stick with that minority; it certainly has cured my apethy.

What's step two, in your humble opinion?
 
There are liberty candidates out there, inspired by Dr. Paul. The revolution will continue on RP was just the catalyst. He's brought me back to the Republican party.

Cmon swimmer...you jump out of jayhawks and dolphins for fun. Continuing on in the name of Liberty should be easy for you :)
 
CGMike said:
There are liberty candidates out there, inspired by Dr. Paul. The revolution will continue on RP was just the catalyst. He's brought me back to the Republican party.

Cmon swimmer...you jump out of jayhawks and dolphins for fun. Continuing on in the name of Liberty should be easy for you :)
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Like I said I'll never quit, I just wanted to know how (and why!) we all continue in the face of impossible odds, blatant stupidity, and willful ignorance...

Just as I think stupid (read: unprepared) people who require CG crews to risk their lives should be assessed a stupid tax, I think some people should actually be required to articulate why they are voting the way they do. (And perhaps smacked hard if they say they [will only] want to vote for someone who can/will win) I'll be a smacker if someone's taking names!
 
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CGMike said:
There are liberty candidates out there, inspired by Dr. Paul. The revolution will continue on RP was just the catalyst. He's brought me back to the Republican party.

Cmon swimmer...you jump out of jayhawks and dolphins for fun. Continuing on in the name of Liberty should be easy for you :)
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Two Coast Guards. Absolutely outstanding! I salute you both, CGMike and CGSwimmer.

For those who don't know, a CG swimmer is no coward or quitter. If anyone is to be called 'hero' a CG swimmer is at the head of the line, and he's there every day. They go into raging water full of danger putting their own lives on the line to rescure good people or cowardly idiots without prequalifications. They are men of men even when they ask questions, it's a human thing to do.

Be very glad we have both of these men aboard this forum. I'm sure we have more military aboard as well and they all have my greatest respect. And, I should say that I'm former Nuke Navy Submariner and retired Merchant Marine Chief Engineer. I've seen the seas at conditions hardly believable, and calm as well.

Tubboat
 
T.Y.S.

I am humbled by your words.

We all (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard) are only doing our jobs, and would have it no other way. It gives me hope that there are true patriots like you among us, who don't just pay lip service to those solemn words in the enlistment oath "... to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;..."
 
I, too, was down last night and most of today. I wrote hundreds of letters to my precinct (& Iowa and Minnesota), put ads in the paper, waved signs, gave hundreds to the campaign, blimp, and TV ads...and my county only gave Dr. P 5%.

It has occurred to me, though, that this is only the beginning. Like everyone here I wanted to rock the vote and see some wins yesterday, but I think it may take more time. Many people are hearing this message for the first time and it seems weird to them at first, but then they hear it again and again and the light starts to come on. My husband ran into a guy at work who received my letter and slim-jims and said he loved Dr. P's message, but wasn't registered Republican, so couldn't vote in the primary. He said he would vote for him in the general election though. I think more and more people will come on board if they keep hearing the message.

Dr. Paul has been at this most of his life. We need to keep looking to him as our example.
 
Hey AST,

Another CG member here. I understand where you are coming from. I talk to a couple guys at my office about politics. We agree on most issues but the others not so much. One guy is a huck supporter but we talk about all sorts of issues. We both dislike McCain and we started talking about him and the reason why people vote the way they vote. One of the reasons was "Because they can win." We were on this for a good while and i was getting frustrated with everybody in America so i said "I f'in give up." Right when i said that i wanted to punch myself as hard as possible. I couldn't believe i just said that especially in front of somebody who supports another candidate. Say "I give up" to yourself. You will feel disgusted and will want to push on that much stronger. Trust me it was a horrible feeling and you will think different.
 
Well said, and having a few hours to cool my head, I realized that I'm just frustrated with people who don't vote their conscience, but use that opportunity to feel good about themselves for picking the winner. Voting, to me, is a responsibility, and should be used to voice what one believes is right for their country. I'm not suggesting that everyone who doesn't support who I support is wrong, but when you can't articulate it to any level of detail greater than you want to vote for the candidate who will win, than maybe you shouldn't be voting... Again, that's just me, but it's nice to hear others who serve and are asking serious questions about what's best for our great nation. Sail/Fly safe, Sir.
 
It has only just begun. The fight for freedom is what we signed on for. The war is never ending. We need to somehow influence the existing delegates. There are some who are doing this. I am running for congress 5 th Dist) and lobbying those delegates currently in the attempt to get Paul supporting Delegates at Large considered. There are things to do. Any ideas? We need feet on the street. Try to energize and find something to do. You guys did a great job! Don't get down too much about it.

The whole Ron Paul Phenomenon, guided us through a corrupt process. We hit a wall. But, we have made a thorough mockery of the LAGOP. It is dripping with corruption as evidenced by the multitude nefarious dealings we saw them engage in. Because, only we have that perspective, we are now the vanguard. We have gained a certain wisdom others have not had the opportunity to develop. It is time to count the cost. We are entering uncharted waters with no land in sight. If we continue, we must ask. Will we make it to the beautiful shore of freedom for our friends and family? Do we have the choice to back out? The answer is yes. But we cannot have both.

We now have momentum we have never had before. Our evil opponent's biggest weapon against us is called, "Divide and Conquer". This ancient tactic of war is found in Tsun Tzu's "The Art of War"(This is required West Point reading). For the first time since the Renaissance we can clearly see what the enemy is doing against us. We simply must persevere. We must duplicate ourselves in our friends and family. It boils down to the conveyance of information. We are at an unprecedented time in history and we are currently winning. We are writing our epithets now. I wonder what will be said at our passing? Will they say,"They really had an opportunity to free us and they blew it!"? Or will we persevere in this fight as Ron Paul, wants us to? We can never loose until we quit fighting.
 
CGRescueSwimmer said:
After giving a crap about my country and just about everything I could spare for the last few months, could someone please tell me why I should still care after my fellow "citizens" have clearly demonstrated they would rather vote for someone they think will win instead of someone they know will make their life better?

I almost feel like if this is the "will" of people, then maybe I don't want to be a part of where it's going...

But that's just me. What do you think? And why should I still care?
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