Social Libertarian?

[Truth Warrior]

Sir, it ain't theft because people agree with it. I think of these taxes as buying something. Everyone agrees with the concept so they put in small amounts of money. Aand that money is used to pay for public schools, builidng roads and highways and whatnot, public transportation and all of its needs and whatnot.

Unless you want to live in an area like this.

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You're ignoring my "everyone agrees" concept. This benefits the people in a better city.

So if I can just get enough people to agree with me and I take ALL of your money, against your will, then you have NOT been robbed. Is that correct? I already KNOW ALL of the bogus and BS "rationalizations" for theft and murder, so you can just save your keystrokes.

Is that in Chicago, BTW?

Because EVERYONE DOES NOT AGREE. Thats why they vote ( biggest gang wins ) AND have COERCIVE tax ( extortion ) collections, at virtual gunpoint, along with other threats of violence and punishments for disobedience and not following orders.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I understand your position more then you think, and maybe some day I too will throw my hands up in the air and state for the world to hear that it will never work this way.


But damn it TW, I want so badly to kick the current GOP to the curve, and it requires a powerful collective to achieve this.

Perhaps you do understand. I grew up to adulthood and spent several adult years as ARealConservative.

What do you have, if you succeed, AND if you don't succeed?

The end does NOT justify the means.

 

[The_Orlonater]

So if I can just get enough people to agree with me and I take ALL of your money, against your will, then you have NOT been robbed. Is that correct? I already KNOW ALL of the bogus and BS "rationalizations" for theft and murder, so you can just save your keystrokes.

Whoever said anything about murder? Oh yeah, you.
So are you implying that 1% of the population is more important then 99%? I never said "T4X 333M TO DEATH!" I'm keep my taxes low as posible. You chose to ignore me AGAIN!(I'm going to keep a chart about how many times you have ignored me if this kees up.)

[Is that in Chicago, BTW?

So where do you live? In the middle of the forest with 20 kids and a computer?
See this style of arguing doesn't do us any good. Stop acting like a prick.

Oh yeah to finish arguing like you. I must do the honorary ..."Post Emotes Like Crazy!"
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[Because EVERYONE DOES NOT AGREE. Thats why they vote ( biggest gang wins ) AND have COERCIVE tax ( extortion ) collections, at virtual gunpoint, along with other threats of violence and punishments for disobedience and not following orders.

Like I said, I don't care if 1 or 2% disagree with with the majority. I'm not going to tax every penny out of your pocket. Do as you please in your own community. In mine I'll fight for what I believe in. Thank god we're in a country like this. State's rights is a lovely thing.

 

[The_Orlonater]

I'm getting tired of being called the guy who'll tax you to death. Arguing each other like this makes me almost forget about the first line of my sig.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Whoever said anything about murder? Oh yeah, you.
So are you implying that 1% of the population is more important then 99%? I never said "T4X 333M TO DEATH!" I'm keep my taxes low as posible. You chose to ignore me AGAIN!(I'm going to keep a chart about how many times you have ignored me if this kees up.)

So where do you live? In the middle of the forest with 20 kids and a computer?
See this style of arguing doesn't do us any good. Stop acting like a prick.

Oh yeah to finish arguing like you. I must do the honorary ..."Post Emotes Like Crazy!"


Like I said, I don't care if 1 or 2% disagree with with the majority. I'm not going to tax every penny out of your pocket. Do as you please in your own community. In mine I'll fight for what I believe in. Thank god we're in a country like this. State's rights is a lovely thing.

Correct, I did. Have your government's agents EVER killed anyone? No, I'm STATING that numbers are BS. Any amount above ZERO IS THEFT, against those that do not agree to your silly and childish games. Period. The amount is irrelevant.
( Oh no, not the dreaded keeping a chart crap. )

It's none of your frickin' business where I live. Besides, that too is totally irrelevant to the subject.

Ah the bogus emoticon ridicule tactic, the final refuge for the truly reason and logically challenged, desparate. Way to go there, kiddo.

Check the routine vote tally figures, very very few, if any, are anywhere near 98% to 2%, not that that amounts to diddely squat.

GROW UP!

 

[The_Orlonater]

Correct, I did. Have your government's agents EVER killed anyone? No, I'm STATING that numbers are BS. Any amount above ZERO IS THEFT, against those that do not agree to your silly and childish games. Period. The amount is irrelevant.
( Oh no, not the dreaded keeping a chart crap. )

Can't take a joke? You do it all the time. First of all I don't know if my government killed anyone. I'm not my government. Stop thinking I'm them. I have my own ideas. I support some taxation, but it's very little. Get over it. You're one of the few who doesn't support any taxation at all.

It's none of your frickin' business where I live. Besides, that too is totally irrelevant to the subject.

But you can mock where I live. I see your logic.

Ah the bogus emoticon ridicule tactic, the final refuge for the truly reason and logically challenged, desparate. Way to go there, kiddo.

Logically challenged desperate? Ooh, we're playing a word game. Oh shut up already, stop acting like a prick. So what you can insult me on the internet, feel better now? Since I'm the "BIG MEAN ANTI-FREEMARKET SOCIALIST" that's going to take every little fucking penny you make that ust mean I'm desperat.e(I wonder for what, maybe you should answer. You obviously more know about me then myself)

Check the routine vote tally figures, very very few, if any, are anywhere near 98% to 2%, not that that amounts to diddely squat.

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GROW UP![/QUOTE]

Shut up with your whole "GROW UP" retoric. That's one of the oldest internet insults.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Can't take a joke? You do it all the time. First of all I don't know if my government killed anyone. I'm not my government. Stop thinking I'm them. I have my own ideas. I support some taxation, but it's very little. Get over it. You're one of the few who doesn't support any taxation at all.

What joke? Ask the Afghans and Iraqis. Ain't mine either, so I guess that you too are a victim of the tyranny of others also. You get over it you theft, lame excuse maker, rationalizer and justifier.

Again, the BS NUMBERS do not matter. You're merely talking though your "brainwash" "government" school " bogus "programming". Human rights are INDIVIDUAL, NOT COLLECTIVE NOR ADDITIVE.



But you can mock where I live. I see your logic.

BS! I just asked a question. Show me the mock, hot shot. Get a clue!

Logically challenged desperate? Ooh, we're playing a word game. Oh shut up already, stop acting like a prick. So what you can insult me on the internet, feel better now? Since I'm the "BIG MEAN ANTI-FREEMARKET SOCIALIST" that's going to take every little fucking penny you make that ust mean I'm desperat.e(I wonder for what, maybe you should answer. You obviously more know about me then myself)

You're really losing it here. Fractured syntax, spelling and all. Merely putting bogus BS words in my mouth, ain't gonna win you many points, AT ALL.

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GROW UP!

Shut up with your whole "GROW UP" retoric. That's one of the oldest internet insults.

Kiss my ass! You're not my boss. And obviously, in your case, more than accurate and applicable. It's not rhetorical, It's FRICKIN' LITERAL, PS ####, Einstein.

 

[The_Orlonater]

You're also talking from your point of view. Human rights is individual. You're just talking about what YOU think. Not what tohers think. Wwhat others think and need in the system. You just continue to insult me like usualrolleyes I'm talking through experience and people I have met.

And yes you did mock where I lived. I'll show you the post, but you can find it yourself. I only attacked back. You started it.

I'm not mispelling anything on purpose. I'm the master of typos. Literally. Sometimes I don't notice. I'm only "screaming" because you've ignored what I said. And think I believe in the status quo of Chicago. You've been putting words in my mouth.


Just forget it.

 

[Truth Warrior]

You're also talking from your point of view. Human rights is individual. You're just talking about what YOU think. Not what tohers think. Wwhat others think and need in the system. You just continue to insult me like usualrolleyes I'm talking through experience and people I have met.

Aw geeze, just another BS subjectivist goober. Screw what others think. They're JUST individuals too, as are you, as am I. You ARE eminently insultable. You've gotten off very easy. How many THOUSANDS have you talked to about this stuff?

And yes you did mock where I lived. I'll show you the post, but you can find it yourself. I only attacked back. You started it.

BULL SHIT!!!

I'm not mispelling anything on purpose. I'm the master of typos. Literally. Sometimes I don't notice. I'm only "screaming" because you've ignored what I said. And think I believe in the status quo of Chicago. You've been putting words in my mouth.

Ever hear of a "spell checker"? We've covered "ignored vs. disagreed". Where? What words? You feeding my exact lines back to me is exceedingly LAME.


Just forget it.

Before you will. < LOL >

 

[acroso]

Social Libertarians are no different than Neocons.

Both are thugs.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Just to answer your questions.


1) Yes we're all individuals. And I haven't really talked to many about this. But I have.

2) You mocked where I live in one post.

Originally Posted by Truth Warrior
[Is that in Chicago, BTW?

I took it as an insult.

3) I'm too lazy to use the spell checker. I am SOOO sorry that I mispelled a word and didn't check through the whole thing. But then again you're good at
picking out other arguments. And stop calling my responses lame, I think that way about you. It's kind of obvious we disagree with each other.

 

[Kludge]

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[The_Orlonater]

Oh hi, how are you doing..?

 

[user]

Just because 5 people disagree with almost 3 million. I really don't care. Move out if you want to.

Orlonater, I don't know if you were just angry or something when you wrote this, but you call yourself a libertarian so you should understand that the rights of the individual are paramount. It doesn't matter even if it's just one person against 100 million.

Again, the important thing here, at least for me, is whether or not the "tax" is completely optional. If so, I wouldn't even call it a tax (maybe a user fee). On the other hand, if you would force a minority of ANY size, including a single person, to pay against their will then I would call that unlibertarian.

Joseph's point about private schools is also correct. Whatever number of private schools exist now and however much competition there is, there would be far, far more if government schools did not exist. This would lower the price of admission to those schools and increase their quality. In addition to this, the government interferes even with the few private schools that exist today.

 

[ARealConservative]

all taxation is theft.

The problem is that if the vast majority have no interest in prosecuting crimes, it is impossible to do so. This is true even in anarchy.

I notice nobody wanted to challenge this, so I'll bump it and see if I have any takers.

 

[user]

I notice nobody wanted to challenge this, so I'll bump it and see if I have any takers.

Do you mean the part about prosecuting crimes? Could you go into more detail (in a new thread if you want)?

 

[Kludge]

I notice nobody wanted to challenge this, so I'll bump it and see if I have any takers.

Theft is irrelevant as it's government that grants rights.


You would have no rights in an anarchy as they are created by man to minimize conflict in society. While our government isn't perfect, it can do a satisfactory job at creating as fair a society as possible if we keep our eyes open and our voices loud and unwavering.

 

[user]

Theft is irrelevant as it's government that grants rights.

Many people, including the Founders, would disagree...but I guess that is for another thread.

 

[ARealConservative]

Theft is irrelevant as it's government that grants rights.


You would have no rights in an anarchy as they are created by man to minimize conflict in society. While our government isn't perfect, it can do a satisfactory job at creating as fair a society as possible if we keep our eyes open and our voices loud and unwavering.

it's semantics now but government only protects rights, and some rights would be so universally recognized that even without government, you would retain them.

 

[The_Orlonater]

So you guys believe in "no taxes" at all? So the state has no point to it?