Social Libertarian?

[The_Orlonater]

Isn't that how all welfare starts? Keep it small for only those who "need it" but who defines needs? The voter. Once you allow welfare of any kind the people will want more of it. Just look at the situation now. People think they're entitled to more welfare because they have new needs (ex. socialized health care, "fixing" social security for the baby boomers)

Learn to say no. And don't think I'd fall for that crap.

Or you could just privatize the public schools..

Maybe you're right. I don't see anything wrong with people funding it through taxes. Seems to work over here.

I wouldn't say you're a big socialist like many other people, but you calling yourself a libertarian is incorrect.

I wouldn't call myself a true libertarian, but even Ron Paul supports helping the people who "need" it. Dude, there are some people who need it. We should try and steer away from the government. There will be people who "need" it, but it's very very little compared to what the size is today. Stop calling me a welfare statist, I'm not handing out free checks to every lazy guy at the projects. Just a few old people who have no one in their life and are pretty much unable to work.

 

[The_Orlonater]

God damn it, we can leave public schools. Get this through your heads, not everyone has time to teach their kid. People go out and work for a living. If we left public schools in the hands of teachers and parents you wouldn't be so bitchy.
Hell, even in Milton Friedman's documentary "Free to Choose" when he was showing a crappy public school, he then showed a good public school. It was good because it wasn't in the hands of beaurocrats. No one is being a marxist here. I sure as hell ain't. There's nothing wrong with some social services done on a local level paid for by LOW taxes. I don't want a huge welfare state, I'll privatize public schools(I guess you changed my mind, no it's not flip-flopping). These taxes can pay for building up the city, public transportation, give welfare to those who need it(Yes there is a small percentage of people who need it).

Not all taxation is a form of theft, especially when it's used to build up a community. Let me remind you this is LOCALLY done. Damn it, I sometimes get the feeling you guys are anarchists.

 

[Truth Warrior]

If a thief uses the money he steals only for good and worthwhile purposes does that mean that he didn't really steal it?


The end does NOT justify the means.

 

[The_Orlonater]

If a thief uses the money he steals only for good and worthwhile purposes does that mean that he didn't really steal it?

You know a lot of people agree with taxation, especially when it's used for the good of the community. If they agree to it, is it theft?

 

[user]

God damn it, we can leave public schools. Get this through your heads, not everyone has time to teach their kid. People go out and work for a living. If we left public schools in the hands of teachers and parents you wouldn't be so bitchy.
Hell, even in Milton Friedman's documentary "Free to Choose" when he was showing a crappy public school, he then showed a good public school. It was good because it wasn't in the hands of beaurocrats. No one is being a marxist here. I sure as hell ain't. There's nothing wrong with some social services done on a local level paid for by LOW taxes. I don't want a huge welfare state, I'll privatize public schools(I guess you changed my mind, no it's not flip-flopping). These taxes can pay for building up the city, public transportation, give welfare to those who need it(Yes there is a small percentage of people who need it).

Not all taxation is a form of theft, especially when it's used to build up a community. Let me remind you this is LOCALLY done. Damn it, I sometimes get the feeling you guys are anarchists.

Taxation is theft. If you mean that it's being paid voluntarily, it's not a tax in the first place...

 

[user]

You know a lot of people agree with taxation, especially when it's used for the good of the community. If they agree to it, is it theft?

Do you mean the people who are paying each agree to it, or the majority is forcing everyone to pay?

 

[Truth Warrior]

You know a lot of people agree with taxation, especially when it's used for the good of the community. If they agree to it, is it theft?

It is to the ones that didn't agree.<IMHO> Those that did agree, are merely enabling accomplices to the crime(s).

 

[The_Orlonater]

Do you mean the people who are paying each agree to it, or the majority is forcing everyone to pay?

The minority doesn't have to use public transportation ,or public schools if they don't want to. So I guess they don't pay. So that means they can't use it. Fair enough?


But before we go on making people up. Can you find a person in my city that's against public schooling and transportation? So many people need it. Everyone uses it ,or has used it.

Instead of thinking I'm a dictator, I'd actually discuss this with the people.

 

[Truth Warrior]

The minority doesn't have to use public transportation ,or public schools if they don't want to. So I guess they don't pay. So that means they can't use it. Fair enough?


But before we go on making people up. Can you find a person in my city that's against public schooling and transportation? So many people need it. Everyone uses it ,or has used it.

Instead of thinking I'm a dictator, I'd actually discuss this with the people.

Then why do those dissenting have to pay for it?

Unless your city is very atypical your public schooling and transportation sucks!

 

[The_Orlonater]

Then why do the dissenting have to pay for it?

They don't.

But can I ask you this, why are you against taxation( very low and only for the community) to build up the infrastructure of a city and it's public transportation?

 

[The_Orlonater]

Then why do those dissenting have to pay for it?

Unless your city is very atypical your public schooling and transportation sucks!

It doesn't "suck" we have pretty good schools. The country is broke if you haven't forgotten.

 

[Truth Warrior]

It doesn't "suck" we have pretty good schools. The country is broke if you haven't forgotten.

Pretty good, by what comparative standards?

Yes, I clearly remember and government and government theft have worked and helped mightily to break it, for a very long time now.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

It doesn't "suck" we have pretty good schools. The country is broke if you haven't forgotten.

Good schools? HA! Maybe where you live, over at suburbia.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Pretty good, by what comparative standards?

Yes, I clearly remember and government and government theft have worked and helped mightily to break it, for a very long time now.

Of course there are shitty schools. But that doesn't mean everything is shitty.

No matter how good the school. I want you to remember this, you can't learn everything from school.I learn from reading material outside of school. Beaurocrat control sucks. Parents and teachers should only control it. Funded by them only, either through taxation ,or if they want to privatize it. I don't really care.

Anyway, there are plenty of schools here with high test scores. There's also a lot of ghetto schools. Like you see we need to fix things.

I for one am all for homeschooling and I don't like these guys in government now(I might want to run when I'm older). I just believe public schooling should be available too.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Good schools? HA! Maybe where you live, over at suburbia.

Stereotype, stereotype.

When shall thou leave?

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Of course there are shitty schools. But that doesn't mean everything is shitty.

No matter how good the school. I want you to remember this, you can't learn everything from school.I learn from reading material outside of school. Beaurocrat control sucks. Parents and teachers should only control it. Funder by them only, either through taxation ,or if they want to privatize it. I don't really care.

Anyway, there are plenty of schools here with high test scores. There's also a lot of ghetto schools. Like you see we need to fix things.

I for one am all for homeschooling and I don't like these guys in government now(I might want to run when I'm older). I just believe public schooling should be available too.

Why? Why do I hav to pay for socialistic education? Maybe the free market comes up with a better solution? Maybe the free market would cut education time in half? Public schools are a hallmark of socialism. I'm not rich, but I know for a fact that I'd do better if we had a free market in education. I would be exposed to QUALITY, I would have gotten taught everything at a younger age, I would have been able to make payment arrangements, I could have explored charities, but wee are all subjected tothe assembly line treatment. Are we not a product? That's how I feel. The gov monitors and jots the numbers down of all graduates, all new college students, calculated % of people taking high management positions, this is all what I call central economic planning. The gov lets a strain of the free markt survive, but gives power to friends, creates a "one way path" to prosperity, hence cronyism. Fuck them!

 

[ARealConservative]

God damn it, we can leave public schools. Get this through your heads, not everyone has time to teach their kid. People go out and work for a living. If we left public schools in the hands of teachers and parents you wouldn't be so bitchy.
Hell, even in Milton Friedman's documentary "Free to Choose" when he was showing a crappy public school, he then showed a good public school. It was good because it wasn't in the hands of beaurocrats. No one is being a marxist here. I sure as hell ain't. There's nothing wrong with some social services done on a local level paid for by LOW taxes. I don't want a huge welfare state, I'll privatize public schools(I guess you changed my mind, no it's not flip-flopping). These taxes can pay for building up the city, public transportation, give welfare to those who need it(Yes there is a small percentage of people who need it).

Not all taxation is a form of theft, especially when it's used to build up a community. Let me remind you this is LOCALLY done. Damn it, I sometimes get the feeling you guys are anarchists.

Don't let the extremists get to you.

They bitch and complain about coercion, but the fact is the constitution allowed states to create public schools, and 99% of voters agree with the concept.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Don't let the extremists get to you.

They bitch and complain about coercion, but the fact is the constitution allowed states to create public schools, and 99% of voters agree with the concept.

When did I sign the constitution? hm

 

[acroso]

Social Libertarians suck. Property seizing bastards meanwhile they complain about their right to smoke pot.

Not that I have a problem with their right to put whatever it is they want into their body....but if you're supporting the IRS....then go to hell.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Of course there are shitty schools. But that doesn't mean everything is shitty.

No matter how good the school. I want you to remember this, you can't learn everything from school.I learn from reading material outside of school. Beaurocrat control sucks. Parents and teachers should only control it. Funded by them only, either through taxation ,or if they want to privatize it. I don't really care.

Anyway, there are plenty of schools here with high test scores. There's also a lot of ghetto schools. Like you see we need to fix things.

I for one am all for homeschooling and I don't like these guys in government now(I might want to run when I'm older). I just believe public schooling should be available too.

So the folks paying for the shitty schools are merely getting ripped off again.

You have very little, if anything, new to remind or teach me about learning and schooling.<IMHO>

I've been hearing the very same "fix things" BS crapola for decades now.

Which merely brings us back around full circle to the subject of taxation, as simply theft and stealing.