Social-Cons are scared to DEATH of Muslims. Why?

Who here is arguing for Mosaic law?


We are libertarians arguing for Liberty. At least I am.


I don't think Muslim people are the enemy. I think American foreign policy has caused the Muslim world to hate America...and rightfully so.


But to simply draw these stupid equivocations (like saying Libertarianism and Sharia are equally prefferable) is knee-jerk multiculturalism.

Who's arguing that libertarianism and sharia are equally preferable? :rolleyes: You don't like American foreign policy? Great! Neither do I. But Sharia law is only an issue IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES! And Mosaic law is an issue in Israel! So unless you want the U.S. government to interfere in all countries with Sharia law, and the one country with Mosaic law in order to enforce "libertarian law" (oxymoron) then you really have nothing to be concerned about. Muslims make up a tiny fraction of the population, and based on current immigration and birth rates they will continue to make up a tiny fraction of the U.S. population, unless you feel that they are somehow going to win the "war of ideas" and convert a crapper load of Americans to Islam. If you believe that then I have a ski resort in Yemen I'd like to sell you.
 
No more than someone who still owns and believes a book that promotes slavery. I always wondered why these JC freaks don't just remove that old testament if they don't want it coming back to bite them in the ass later. Oh yeah, because they need all that anti fag stuff, don't want to be turning the other cheek for any queers.

queers dont want people to TURN cheeks, they want people to SPREAD cheeks
 
One of the best books I've read about how theology influences law and culture was The One And The Many by Rousas Rushdoony (Chuck Baldwin is a big fan of his).

Islam is a theology that emphasizes "oneness of being". In Islam, Allah is one, without division. This mirrors their conception of the State--the all-powerful One in which submission must be made. In the more religious Muslim countries, you ALWAYS have this progress toward centralization. Also, Allah is SO above and apart from his creation that a system of priests must be intermediaries between the people and Allah...which leads to greater centralization.

That is not true, at least not in Sunni Islam. Islam does not have a pope, nor any spiritual equivalent. People pray directly to God. If you read Future of Freedom by Fareed Zakaria, he argues that Islam is DECENTRALIZED.
 
Murray Rothbard on the Christian origins of Anarchism in the US:

Libertarians tend to fall into two opposing errors on the American past: the familiar "Golden Age" view of the right-wing that everything was blissful in America until some moment of precipitous decline (often dated 1933); and the deeply pessimistic minority view that rejects the American past root and branch, spurning all American institutions and virtually all of its thinkers except such late nineteenth-century individualist anarchists as Benjamin R. Tucker and Lysander Spooner.

The truth is somewhere in between: America was never the golden "land of the free" of the conservative-libertarian legend, and yet it managed for a very long time to be freer, in institutions and in intellectual climate, than any other land.

Colonial America did not set out deliberately to be the land of the free. On the contrary, it began in a tangle of tyranny, special privilege, and vast land monopoly. Territories were carved out either as colonies subject directly to the English Crown, or as enormous land grabs for privileged companies or feudal proprietors.

What defeated these despotic and feudal thrusts into the new territory was, at bottom, rather simple: the vastness of the fertile and uninhabited land that lay waiting to be settled. Not only relative freedom, but even outright anarchist institutions grew up early in the interstices between the organized, despotic English colonies....

Pennsylvania: The Holy Experiment
The third great example of anarchism in colonial America took place in Pennsylvania. This was William Penn's "Holy Experiment" for a Quaker colony that would provide "an example [that] may be set up to the nations." While religious liberty was guaranteed, and institutions were relatively libertarian, Penn never meant his new colony, founded in 1681, to be anarchistic or anything of the like.[3] Curiously, Pennsylvania fell into living and functioning anarchism by happy accident.

Lured by religious liberty and by cheap and abundant land, settlers, largely Quaker, poured into Pennsylvania in large numbers.[4] At the end of eight years 12,000 people had settled in the new colony. The first touch of anarchy came in the area of taxation. While low excise and export duties had been levied by the Pennsylvania Assembly in 1683, Governor Penn set aside all taxes for a year to encourage rapid settlement. The next year, when Penn wanted to levy taxes for his own personal income, a group of leaders of the colony persuaded Penn to drop the tax, in return for them personally raising a voluntary gift for his own use. William Penn returned to England in the fall of 1684, convinced that he had founded a stable and profitable colony.

One of his major expectations was the collection of "quitrents" from every settler. This was to be in continuing payment for Penn's claim as feudal landlord of the entire colony, as had been granted by the Crown. But Penn, like the proprietors and feudal overlords in the other colonies, found it almost impossible to collect these quitrents. He had granted the populace a moratorium on quitrents until 1685, but the people insisted on further postponements, and Penn's threatened legal proceedings were without success.

Furthermore, the people of Pennsylvania continued to refuse to vote to levy taxes. They even infringed upon the monopoly of lime production, which Penn had granted to himself, by stubbornly opening their own lime quarries. William Penn found that deprived of feudal or tax income, his deficits from ruling Pennsylvania were large and his fortune was dissipating steadily. Freedom and a taxless society had contaminated the colonists. As Penn complained, "the great fault is, that those who are there, lose their authority one way or other in the spirits of the people and then they can do little with their outward powers."

When Penn returned to England, the governing of the colony fell to the Council of Pennsylvania. Although Penn had appointed Thomas Lloyd, a Welsh Quaker, to be president of the Council, the president had virtually no power, and could not make any decisions of his own. The Council itself met very infrequently, and no officials had the interim power to act. During these great intervals, Pennsylvania had no government at all — as indicated by the fact that neither quitrents nor taxes were being levied in the colony.

Why did the Council rarely meet? For one thing because the Councilors, having little to do in that libertarian society and being unpaid, had their own private business to attend to. The Councilors, according to the laws of the colony, were supposed to receive a small stipend, but as was typical of this anarchistic colony, it proved almost impossible to extract these funds from the Pennsylvanian populace.

If the colonial government ceased to exist except for the infrequent days of Council meetings, what of local governments? Did they provide a permanent bureaucracy, a visible evidence of the continuing existence of the State apparatus? The answer is no; for the local courts met only a few days a year, and the county officials, too, were private citizens who devoted almost no time to upholding the law. To cap the situation the Assembly passed no laws after 1686, being in a continuing wrangle over the extent of its powers.

The colony of Pennsylvania continued in this de facto state of individualist anarchism from the fall of 1684 to the end of 1688: four glorious years in which no outcry arose from the happy citizens about "anarchy" or "chaos". No Pennsylvanian seemed to believe himself any the worse for wear.

A bit of government came to Pennsylvania in 1685, in the person of William Dyer who was the appointed Collector of the King's Customs. Despite frantic appeals from William Penn to cooperate with Dyer, the Pennsylvanians persisted in their anarchism by blithely and consistently evading the Royal Navigation Laws.

It is no wonder that William Penn had the distinct impression that his "Holy Experiment" had slipped away from him, had taken a new and bewildering turn. Penn had launched a colony that he thought would quietly follow his dictates and yield him a handsome feudal profit. By providing a prosperous haven of refuge for Quakers, Penn expected in return the twin reward of wealth and power. Instead, he found himself without either. Unable to collect revenue from the free and independent-minded Pennsylvanians, he saw the colony slipping quietly and gracefully into outright anarchism — into a peaceful, growing and flourishing land of no taxes and virtually no State. Thereupon, Penn frantically tried to force Pennsylvania back into the familiar mold of the Old Order.

In February 1687 William Penn appointed five Pennsylvanians as commissioners of state. Assigned to "act in the execution of the laws, as if I myself were there present." The purpose of this new appointment was "that there may be a more constant residence of the honorary and governing part of the government, for keeping all things in good order." Penn appointed the five commissioners from among the leading citizens of the colony, and ordered them to enforce the laws.

Evidently the colonists were quite happy about their anarchism, and shrewdly engaged in non-violent resistance toward the commission. In the first place, news about the commission was delayed for months. Then protests poured into Penn about the new commission. Penn soon realized that he had received no communication from the supposedly governing body.

Unable to delay matters any longer, the reluctant commissioners of state took office in February 1688. Three and one-half years of substantive anarchism were over. The State was back in its Heaven; once more all was right in William Penn's world. Typically, the gloating Penn urged the commissioners to conceal any differences among themselves, so as to deceive and overawe the public "Show your virtues but conceal your infirmities; this will make you awful and revered with ye people." He further urged them to enforce the King's duties and to levy taxes to support the government.

The commissioners confined themselves to calling the Assembly into session in the spring of 1688, and this time the Assembly did pass some laws, for the first time in three years. The most important bills presented to the Assembly by the Council and the Commissioners, however, was for the reimposition of taxes; and here the Assembly, at the last minute, heroically defied Penn and the government, and rejected the tax bills.

After a brief flurry of State activity in early 1688, therefore, the State was found wanting, taxes were rejected and the colony lapsed quickly back into a state of anarchism. Somehow, the commissioners, evidently exhausted by their task, failed to meet any further, and the Council fell back into its schedule of rare meetings.

In desperation, Penn acted to appoint a Deputy-Governor to rule Pennsylvania in his absence. Thomas Lloyd, President of the Council, refused the appointment, and as we saw from the reluctance of the commissioners, no one in happily anarchic Pennsylvania wanted to rule over others. At this point, Penn reached outside the colony to appoint a tough old non-Pennsylvanian and non-Quaker, the veteran Puritan soldier John Blackwell, to be Deputy-Governor of the colony. In appointing him, Penn made clear to Blackwell that his primary task was to collect Penn's quitrents and his secondary task to reestablish a government.

If John Blackwell had any idea that the Quakers were a meek people, he was in for a rude surprise. Blackwell was to find out quickly that a devotion to peace, liberty, and individualism in no sense implied an attitude of passive resignation to tyranny — quite the contrary.

Blackwell's initial reception as Deputy-Governor was an augur of things to come. Sending word ahead for someone to meet him upon his arrival in New York, Blackwell landed there only to find no one to receive him. After waiting in vain for three days, Blackwell went alone to the colony. When he arrived in Philadelphia on December 17, 1688, he found no escort, no parade, no reception committee. After having ordered the Council to meet him upon his arrival, Blackwell could find no trace of the Councilor of any other governmental officials. Instead he "found the Council room deserted and covered with dust and scattered papers. The wheels of government had nearly stopped turning."[5]

Only one surly escort appeared, and he refused to speak to his new Governor. And when Blackwell arrived at the empty Council room, his only reception was a group of boys of the neighborhood who gathered around to hoot and jeer.

The resourceful Pennsylvanians now embarked on a shrewd and determined campaign of non-violent resistance to the attempt to reimpose a State on a happy and stateless people. Thomas Lloyd, as Keeper of the Great Seal, insisted that none of Blackwell's orders or commissions were legally valid unless stamped with the Great Seal. And Lloyd, as Keeper, somehow stubbornly refused to do any stamping. Furthermore, David Lloyd, the clerk of the court and a distant relative of Thomas's, absolutely refused to turn over the documents of any cases to Blackwell, even if the judges so ordered. For this act of defiance Blackwell declared David Lloyd unfit to serve as court clerk and dismissed him. Thomas promptly reappointed David by virtue of his power as Keeper of the Great Seal. Moreover, out of a dozen justices of the peace named by Blackwell, four bluntly refused to serve.

As the revolutionary situation intensified in Pennsylvania, the timid and shortsighted began to betray the revolutionary libertarian cause. All of the Council except two now sided with Blackwell. Leader of the pro-Blackwell clique was Griffith Jones, who had allowed Blackwell to live at his home in Philadelphia. Jones warned that "it is the king's authority that is opposed and [it] looks to me as if it were raising a force to rebel." On the Council, only Arthur Cook and Samuel Richardson continued to defy the Governor.

Blackwell was of course appalled at this situation. He wrote to Penn that the colonists were suffering from excessive liberty. They had eaten more of the "honey of your concessions than their stomachs can bear." Blackwell managed to force the Council to meet every week in early 1689, but he failed to force them to agree to a permanent and continuing Councilor from every county in Philadelphia. Arthur Cook led the successful resistance, pointing out that the "people were not able to bear the charge of constant attendance."

The climax in the struggle between Blackwell and the people of Pennsylvania came in April 1689, when the Governor introduced proceedings for the impeachment of Thomas Lloyd, charging him with high crimes and misdemeanors. In his address, Blackwell trumpeted to his stunned listeners that William Penn's powers over the colony were absolute. The Council, on his theory, existed not to represent the people but to be an instrument of Penn's will. Blackwell concluded his harangue by threatening to unsheathe and wield his sword against his insolent and unruly opponents.

Given the choice between the old anarchism or absolute rule by John Blackwell, even the trimmers and waverers rallied behind Thomas Lloyd. After Blackwell had summarily dismissed Lloyd, Richardson and others from the Council, the Council rebelled and demanded the right to approve of their own members. With the entire Council now arrayed against him, the disheartened Blackwell dissolved that body and sent his resignation to Penn.

The Councilors, in turn, bitterly protested to Penn against his deputy's attempt to deprive them of their liberties. As for Blackwell, he considered the Quakers agents of the Devil, as foretold in the New Testament, men "who shall despise dominion and speak evil of dignities." These Quakers, Blackwell charged in horror, "have not the principles of government amongst them, nor will they be informed…"

Faced with virtually unanimous and determined opposition from the colonists Penn decided against Blackwell. For the rest of the year, Blackwell continued formally in office, but he now lost all interest in exerting his rule. He simply waited out his fading term of office. Penn in effect restored the old system by designating the Council as a whole as his "deputy governor." Replacing vinegar with honey Penn apologized for his mistake in appointing Blackwell, and asserted, "I have thought fit … to throw all into your hands, that you may all see the confidence I have in you."

Pennsylvania soon slipped back into anarchism. The Council, again headed by Thomas Lloyd, met but seldom. When a rare meeting was called it did virtually nothing and told William Penn even less. The Assembly also met but rarely. And when Secretary of the colony William Markham (a cousin of Penn, who had been one of the hated Blackwell clique) submitted a petition for the levying of taxes to provide some financial help for poor William Penn the Council totally ignored his request.

Furthermore, when Markham asked for a governmental organization of militia to provide for military defense against a (non-existent) French and Indian threat, the Council preserved the anarchistic status of the colony by blandly replying that any people who are interested could provide for their defense at their own expense. Anarchism had returned in triumph to Pennsylvania. The determined non-violent resistance of the colony had won a glorious victory.

Penn, however, refused to allow the colony to continue in this anarchistic state. In 1691 he insisted that a continuing deputy-governor be appointed, although he would allow the colony to select a governor. The colony of course chose their resistance hero Thomas Lloyd, who assumed his new post in April. After seven years of de facto anarchism (with the exception of a few months of Council meetings and several months of Blackwellite attempt to rule), Pennsylvania now had a continuous, permanent head of government. "Archy" was back, but its burden was still negligible for the Assembly and the Council still met but rarely and, above all, there was no taxation in the colony.

But the virus of power, the canker of archy, once let loose even a trifle, feeds upon itself. Suddenly, as a bolt from the blue, the Council in April 1692 passed a new bill for the reestablishment of taxation and the revered Governor Lloyd concurred in this betrayal. The question now reverted to the popularly elected Assembly, always the political stronghold of liberty in the province. Would they too succumb? The freemen of Philadelphia and of Chester sent the Assembly petitions strongly protesting the proposed imposition of taxation. They urged the Assembly to keep "their country free from bondage and slavery, and avoiding such ill methods, as may render themselves and posterity liable thereto." Heeding these protests, the Assembly refused to pass a tax law. De facto anarchy was still, though barely, alive.

Anarchy, however, was by now doomed, and governmental oppression, even without taxes, quickly returned to Pennsylvania. This new outcropping of statism was stimulated by opposition from a split-off from Quakerism headed by the scholarly Scottish Quaker George Keith, the outstanding Quaker minister of the middle colonies and the schoolmaster at Philadelphia. He was religiously more conservative than the bulk of the Quakers, leaning as he did toward Presbyterianism, but politically he was more individualistic. Stimulated by the anarchism he found in Pennsylvania, Keith quickly concluded logically from the Quaker creed that all participation in government ran counter to Quaker principles.

The return of Pennsylvania to government in the spring of 1691 especially provoked George Keith. How, he asked, could a Quaker minister like Thomas Lloyd, professing belief in non-violence, serve as a governmental magistrate at all, since the essence of government was the use of violence? A telling point: in short, Keith saw that Quaker non-violence logically implied, not only refusal to bear arms, but complete individualistic anarchism.

Finally, in the fall of 1692, the Keithian "Christian Quaker" faction was expelled from the body of Quakers. And to their shame, the main body of Quakers, after having been persecuted widely for their religious principles, reacted to a split in their own ranks in the very same way. Keithian pamphlets were confiscated and the printers arrested; Keith himself was ordered to stop making speeches and publishing pamphlets "that have a tendency to sedition, and disturbance of the peace, as also to the subversion of the present government." Three Keithian leaders including Keith himself, were indicted for writing a book denouncing the magistrates, and the jury was packed with the friends of the Quaker rulers. Despite Keith's pleas that Quakers are duty-bound to settle all their disputes peacefully and voluntarily, and to never go to court, the men were convicted and fined (though the fines were never paid), and denied the right to appeal to the Council or to the provisional court. Government was back in Pennsylvania — with a vengeance.

Taxation would very soon be back too. William Penn, a close friend of the recently deposed King James II of England, was in deep political trouble at court. Angry with Penn, peeved at the anarchism and the pacifism of the colony, and anxious to weld the northern colonies into a fighting force for attacking the French in Canada, King William, in late 1692, named Benjamin Fletcher governor of both New York and Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania, no longer under the proprietary of William Penn, was now a royal colony.

Governor Fletcher assumed the reins of government in April 1693. As in other royal colonies, the Council was now appointed by the Governor. Fletcher convened the Assembly in May, and was able to drive through a tax bill because of his and the Council's power to judge all the existing laws of Pennsylvania, and of a threat to annex the colony to New York. Taxes had arrived at last; archy was back in full force, and the glorious years of anarchism were gone.[6]

But a flurry of anarchism remained. In its 1694 session, the Pennsylvania Assembly decided to allocate almost half its tax revenue to the personal use of Thomas Lloyd and of William Markham, whom Fletcher had appointed as his Deputy-Governor. Infuriated, Fletcher dissolved the Assembly. After a year of imposition, taxes had again disappeared from Pennsylvania.

Disgusted, Fletcher lost interest in Pennsylvania, which after all these years was decidedly a poor place for raising tax revenue. The colony returned to its old quasi-anarchistic state, with no taxes and with a Council that did little and met infrequently. But, meanwhile, William Penn was campaigning energetically for returning to his feudal fiefdom. He abjectly promised the King that Pennsylvania would be good: that it would levy taxes, raise a militia, and obey royal orders. He promised to keep Fletcher's laws and to keep Markham as governor. As a result the King restored Pennsylvania to the ownership of Penn in the summer of 1694, and by the spring of the following year, Markham was installed as Deputy-Governor under the restored Penn proprietary. But in the spring 1695 session, the now elected Council again refused to consider any tax bill.

The Assembly continued to refuse to pass a tax bill for another year and a half. With the exception of one year, Pennsylvania thus remained in a quasi-anarchist state of taxlessness from its founding in 1681 until the fall of 1696: fourteen glorious years. Governor Markham was only able to push through a tax bill at the end of 1696 by a naked usurpation of the powers of government: decreeing a new constitution of his own, including an appointed Council. Markham was able to purchase the Assembly's support by granting it the power to initiate legislation and also to raise the property requirement for voting in the towns, thus permitting the Quakers to exclude the largely non-Quaker urban poor from having the vote.

A libertarian opposition now gathered, led by Arthur Cook (Thomas Lloyd now deceased. It included a coalition of former Keithians like Robert Turner and old Blackwell henchmen like Griffith Jones. The opposition gathered a mass petition in March 1697, signed by over a hundred, attacking the imposed constitution, the increase in suffrage requirements in the towns, and particularly the establishment of taxation. When the opposition Councilors and Assemblymen, elected as a protest under a separate set of votes under the old constitution, were summarily rejected, Robert Turner denounced this threat to "our ancient rights, liberties and freedom." Turner particularly denounced the tax bill of 1696, and urged that the tax money seized from its rightful owners "by that unwarranted, illegal and arbitrary act, be forthwith restored." But all this was to no avail. Pennsylvania soon slipped into the same archic mould as all the other colonies. The "Holy Experiment" was over.

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Why are the social cons scared to death of Muslims?

The argument typically goes like this...

"Well the Muslims are going to come in here and take over once they get enough people to vote themselves into office and then they'll institute Sharia Law and turn us into a Muslim nation... just look at the problems France and other European countries are having"

Thoughts? Ideas?

That would not just be the logic of a social conservative.

Let's say that the goal is to establish as much liberty as possible. Should you advance certain "liberties" that may actually reverse some of your gains and take away other liberties? This is the situation with massive immigration. On the one hand, you would like the absolute freedom of movement to be a liberty for everyone. At the same time, full implementation of that one liberty may remove many other liberties. What do you do?

For instance, you allow immigration to the point where the majority is, say, Chinese. Their opinions become law. They tend towards authoritarianism and collectivism. By fully implementing liberty of movement, you lose a vast number of other liberties. You want to criticize the government or leaders? No more. You want to protest? Send in the stormtroopers. You disagree with the collective? You will be destroyed! (I like the term "destroyed". A Chinese woman told me that the military should "destroy" the Mormons if they engage in polygamy).

Changes in society due to immigration are usually slow, although they can be relatively fast if you change the majority overnight. Needless to say, concerns about this issue are usually overblown by some people, and severely underestimated by others.
 
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Some RP folks are scared to death of "zionists" why?


I am a Christian (Reformed, not evangelical) and I am disgusted by the Evangelical movement's obsession with Zionism.

It all stems from a misinterpretation of eschatology.




Zionism is horrible. Christian Zionism and neo-conservatism is horrible. It is one of the primary reasons for debt and war.
 
Because we have been inculcated to "demonize the enemy" like every other bullshit conflict that the bankers have dragged the US into since the spanish/american war--when will we wake up to this facade? Never...can't even talk about it now! We deserve all this misfortune...

Why are the social cons scared to death of Muslims?


The argument typically goes like this...

"Well the Muslims are going to come in here and take over once they get enough people to vote themselves into office and then they'll institute Sharia Law and turn us into a Muslim nation... just look at the problems France and other European countries are having"


Thoughts? Ideas?
 
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Some RP folks are scared to death of "zionists" why?

1000's of years of human history filled with mistakes and anti-market behavior, driven by religious leaders convincing the masses of something completely irrational?
 
Maybe if they read more stuff like this:

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/CultureAndMedia/?id=3.1.876023110

they would realize how much they have in common. To wit:

Jakarta, 26 August(AKI) - Prosecutors were searching on Thursday for the former editor-in-chief of Playboy Indonesia after the Supreme Court sentenced him to two years in prison for publishing pictures of scantily clothed women.

The South Jakarta prosecutor’s office said it would carry out a ruling by Indonesia's Supreme Court’s that found the chief editor of Indonesia's Playboy adult magazine, Erwin Arnada, guilty of indecency and sentenced him to two years in prison.

The court issued a guilty verdict in 2009 but only informed the prosecutors on Wednesday. It was not clear why.

Chief of the prosecutor’s office Muhammad Yusuf said state prosecutors would send Arnarda to jail as soon as they receive a copy of the Supreme Court’s verdict.

“I have ordered the investigators to execute the ruling immediately after they obtain the copy,” Yusuf said.

Following violent protests from hard-line Islamic groups, the magazine’s office was relocated from Jakarta to Denpasar.
 
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No more than someone who still owns and believes a book that promotes slavery. I always wondered why these JC freaks don't just remove that old testament if they don't want it coming back to bite them in the ass later. Oh yeah, because they need all that anti fag stuff, don't want to be turning the other cheek for any queers.

You obviously don't know much about history. Slavery in the ancient world is not the same institution that existed in the American South. Slavery in the American South was based on racism and cheap labor. The large majority of slaves in the Ancient world were debt slaves. These were slaves that became slaves because they had no way to pay their debts and could not feed their families so they sold themselves or their children in order to survive. In most cases it was the only way they could survive. So rather than condeming slavery, in many cases it was a welcomed release as opposed to death.
 
P.S. We get it. You hate Christianity. What I don't get is why you have to spew your hatred towards a group of people on this message board that are Christians that never did anything to you. i have said nothing before now in any way even speaking to you, yet you feel the need to denounce my personal beliefs and try to make us Christians on this board feel like crap. Just keep that stuff to yourself please. We have a lot more problems to address on RPFs than to have to deal with this junk.
 
You obviously don't know much about history. Slavery in the ancient world is not the same institution that existed in the American South. Slavery in the American South was based on racism and cheap labor. The large majority of slaves in the Ancient world were debt slaves. These were slaves that became slaves because they had no way to pay their debts and could not feed their families so they sold themselves or their children in order to survive. In most cases it was the only way they could survive. So rather than condeming slavery, in many cases it was a welcomed release as opposed to death.

Are you reading what you are actually typing?? You are arguing the case for slavery. According to your gospel, the enslavement and sexual abuse of Jaycee Lee Dugard was perfectly legal except the part where Phillip Garrido let her out of the house!!!

Sky man's spooky fairy tale said:
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. (Exodus 21:7 KJV)

Wouldn't want those sex slaves getting any fresh air.
 
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Why are the social cons scared to death of Muslims?


The argument typically goes like this...

"Well the Muslims are going to come in here and take over once they get enough people to vote themselves into office and then they'll institute Sharia Law and turn us into a Muslim nation... just look at the problems France and other European countries are having"


Thoughts? Ideas?

I would tell them "And you have no one but yourselves to blame because you allowed the government to assume the power to do such things." And I would be completely correct. Those who push for government power enable whoever gains the government to use it, so be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
 
Are you reading what you are actually typing?? You are arguing the case for slavery. According to your gospel, the enslavement and sexual abuse of Jaycee Lee Dugard was perfectly legal except the part where Phillip Garrido let her out of the house!!!



Wouldn't want those sex slaves getting any fresh air.

I am not arguing the cause for the type of slavery that existed in the American South no, but the type of slavery that existed in the ancient world, one due to mass poverty on a world wide scale, yes. The alternative of that type of slavery was not freedom, but rather death. This was voluntary slavery, not involuntary. So don't come in here using the kiddnapping of a little girl (Jaycee Lee Dugard) to demonize something you obviously don't understand. You can't compare our culture to the culture of an ancient world that existed over 2-4,000 years ago.
 
To hell with the social cons.

We need the Muslim vote for Ron Paul 2012. AIPAC would never support Dr. Paul. After he posted his brave letter defending property rights 1.5 billion Muslims will stand behind him in his bid for the presidency. The letter was a brilliant move. I wouldn't be surprised if OPEC contributes $100 million to his campaign. Now, we need to get the poor folks and the illegals on his side.
 
That would not just be the logic of a social conservative.

Let's say that the goal is to establish as much liberty as possible. Should you advance certain "liberties" that may actually reverse some of your gains and take away other liberties? This is the situation with massive immigration. On the one hand, you would like the absolute freedom of movement to be a liberty for everyone. At the same time, full implementation of that one liberty may remove many other liberties. What do you do?

For instance, you allow immigration to the point where the majority is, say, Chinese. Their opinions become law. They tend towards authoritarianism and collectivism. By fully implementing liberty of movement, you lose a vast number of other liberties. You want to criticize the government or leaders? No more. You want to protest? Send in the stormtroopers. You disagree with the collective? You will be destroyed! (I like the term "destroyed". A Chinese woman told me that the military should "destroy" the Mormons if they engage in polygamy).

Changes in society due to immigration are usually slow, although they can be relatively fast if you change the majority overnight. Needless to say, concerns about this issue are usually overblown by some people, and severely underestimated by others.
Immigration is an area I'm personally conflicted over because I think the libertarian aspect of it can be cut two ways. 1 - I see it as private property and illegal immigrants are trespassing. 2- But I also know that government is incompetent and should not be what decides labor supply and demand curves.
 
I am not arguing the cause for the type of slavery that existed in the American South no, but the type of slavery that existed in the ancient world, one due to mass poverty on a world wide scale, yes. The alternative of that type of slavery was not freedom, but rather death. This was voluntary slavery, not involuntary. So don't come in here using the kiddnapping of a little girl (Jaycee Lee Dugard) to demonize something you obviously don't understand. You can't compare our culture to the culture of an ancient world that existed over 2-4,000 years ago.

Then tear the old testament out and denounce it along with all that miracle shit. Really, Jesus cured leprosy?? We already know that it's caused by a bacteria and we can cure it. Does that make the doctors and scientists administering the medicine the "Son of Christ?" HAHAHAHA!!

When you rip out all the nonsense that we can debunk, all you're left with is a fucking fairy tail.
 
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