So..that's the Tea Party eh?

[Butchie]

I really had no opinion of them, I mostly just heard the left-wing view of which I take with a grain of salt, but wow, that crowd was everything bad I've heard about the TP to the tee. I try to say maybe that was just a bad bunch and I realize the TP is non-centralized but if that's how they are I say it was good that they booed Ron and they will be damaging in the long run to all those others kissing up to them, great rebound by Ron tonight, others have bashed his war statement, I LOVED IT, reminded me of the '08 Ron Paul I see in clips, way to stick your guns Ron and say what's right, even with the ill-informed crowd.

 

[Crickett]

They have a LOT of good ideas, but they are mostly war-mongering "patriots". Kind of the unread, gun-totin' kind. They have sworn, however, to watch the officials the elect, and recall them if they get corrupt. I went to one meeting once, to see what they were like, and I was asked to leave because I would not rise for the Star spangled red glare and bombs bursting song.

 

[Czolgosz]

I dunno, was that all tea party people? Did they check in as card carrying members?


I heard great applause for everything Ron said, except for the foreign wars.

 

[r3volution]

the tea party was hijacked by fox news in 2008/2009 quickly after Ron Paul lost the primary's . sad but true .

 

[TheTyke]

Edited for accuracy: No, it's the Tea Party Express - the GOP hijacker wing of the Tea Party, who dropped by in KY just before Rand was nominated by the real Tea Party to say "look we wuz here lolz."

 

[Sola_Fide]

The thing you have to realize is that the there is no central Tea Party planning board. Some Tea Parties are more non-interventionist than others. Some Tea Parties are more fiscally conservative than others. Some are real Constitutionalists and others are RINO's that want to make money off a new fad.

There's a lot of bad, but some good mixed in. This is my experience at least. The one good thing about the Tea Parties at least in Kentucky have been their rejection of bailouts and crony capitalism. The influence of free market thinking is strong.

 

[bunklocoempire]

No, it's the Tea Party Express - the GOP hijacker wing of the Tea Party, who dropped by in KY after Rand was nominated by the real Tea Party to say "look we wuz here lolz."

This is what I've noticed over the years. Express is a top down deal as far as I can tell, and "top down" and tea party don't belong in the same room.



Bunkloco

 

[Verrater]

gun-totin' kind.

I take offense to that.

 

[Sola_Fide]

They have a LOT of good ideas, but they are mostly war-mongering "patriots". Kind of the unread, gun-totin' kind. They have sworn, however, to watch the officials the elect, and recall them if they get corrupt. I went to one meeting once, to see what they were like, and I was asked to leave because I would not rise for the Star spangled red glare and bombs bursting song.

Where was this at? Also, why go out of your way to make a scene like that?

 

[TheTyke]

Ack, I messed up... just looked it up, they came in just before the primary. Still, we had it mostly won at that time, and it was different than our KY Tea Parties...

 

[Jandrsn21]

The thing you have to realize is that the there is no central Tea Party planning board. Some Tea Parties are more non-interventionist than others. Some Tea Parties are more fiscally conservative than others. Some are real Constitutionalists and others are RINO's that want to make money off a new fad.

There's a lot of bad, but some good mixed in. This is my experience at least. The one good thing about the Tea Parties at least in Kentucky have been their rejection of bailouts and crony capitalism. The influence of free market thinking is strong.

This is true, from what I have seen they are a very homogeneous groups of people. It is really inaccurate to say that all fit into one mold or philosophy. That being said, their general ideas are there. I have an older neighbor who is in the "tea party" and he's a great guy. Likes his garden, likes his guns, hates Obama, and is very concerned with the way the country is going. Don't be so easy to use the big tent model, not everyone is the same just because a few booed RP. Plus like it or not, we need these people to win. My recommendation is to NOT alienate ourselves from everyone who disagrees and not to burn bridges by insulting everyone who isn't an austrian economist!

 

[SimpleName]

Most of the liberal conceptions of the Tea Party do appear to be correct. Quite honestly I haven't really talked much about politics to people this time around. So I don't know if I have an accurate perception of the Tea Party, but from what I've seen they are simply a bunch of collectivist "patriots". They all want to be part of a special group. They want to be more American than everybody else. Wave the flag and pledge. And anything that comes between 'merica and its domination of the world is evil. America is God to lots of these folks, endowed like a special little nugget of "freedom". Since this primary race started, I've quickly grown sick of these people.

 

[Merk]

kind of the unread, gun-totin' kind.

wtf????????????????????

 

[Sola_Fide]

Most of the liberal conceptions of the Tea Party do appear to be correct.

Nah. Most liberal critiques of the tea party is that they are economic terrorists who want to end nearly all federal programs, when in reality we know that is a wild exaggeration. The tea party isn't that good.

 

[nolanchart]

What you have to realize about the largest tea party groups is that they are heavily influenced by neo-cons. When Glenn Beck took the Ron Paul tea party concept from 12/16/2007 and re-birthed it into his 9/12 concept, he was basically trying to hand the R3volution over to the neo-cons. One of his goals was almost certainly to reintegrate RP'ers into the Republican hierarchy by appealing to both groups simultaneously.

Notice that the leading tea party figures rarely discuss interventionism at all. They also have almost nothing to say about the monetary and banking system either.

I once invited William Owens of Tea Party Express onto a weekly radio program I host on the Progressive Radio Network where I challenged him about the fact that none of the tea party candidates for Congress even addressed the monetary and banking issue on their campaign websites, and they certainly didn't say anything about them in their public remarks (other than a few remarks from Rand Paul). The few mentions I was able to find at the time were little more than anti-bank soundbites. He became quite huffy about it, insisting that I was completely off base and ceased to be responsive to my questions or challenges after that.

By the way, your eyebrows may be raised at the words "Progressive Radio Network". You might be very surprised to learn that the lefties not only invited me to do the show on their network (which I've been doing for over 18 months now with Jake Towne and most recently Gene Denardo), but that they are also extremely receptive to the views we express about the monetary and banking system, which are essentially Austrian viewpoints.

 

[Butchie]

This is true, from what I have seen they are a very homogeneous groups of people. It is really inaccurate to say that all fit into one mold or philosophy. That being said, their general ideas are there. I have an older neighbor who is in the "tea party" and he's a great guy. Likes his garden, likes his guns, hates Obama, and is very concerned with the way the country is going. Don't be so easy to use the big tent model, not everyone is the same just because a few booed RP. Plus like it or not, we need these people to win. My recommendation is to NOT alienate ourselves from everyone who disagrees and not to burn bridges by insulting everyone who isn't an austrian economist!

I know, which is why I was careful to say I'm still not judging the whole group based on that crowd, but I thought it went beyond the booing, the whole show got under my skin, Ron still did fantasic, but all the 9/11 pandering, the pledge, all that, NOTE: I'm not trying to say there's something wrong with being patriotic just I hate when it's done to score points and get some hoorah's out of people.

 

[Revolution9]

They have a LOT of good ideas, but they are mostly war-mongering "patriots". Kind of the unread, gun-totin' kind. They have sworn, however, to watch the officials the elect, and recall them if they get corrupt. I went to one meeting once, to see what they were like, and I was asked to leave because I would not rise for the Star spangled red glare and bombs bursting song.

A song often misunderstood. I did not used to like it thinking it was warmongering. The story is somewhat different. The Brits had a bunch of captured Americans with the guy who wrote the song being the go-between between the Brit Admiral and the prisoners in the hold. The British Navy kept pounding the fort with artillery and then would ask if the guys in the hold gave up yet. They asked "Is the flag still there?" When yes was the reply they vowed not to give up. In the meantime at the fort many men were piling up their dead bodies just to keep the flag aloft and flying. There ended up being a whole pile of bodies supporting the flag pole. So, rather than a warmongering song it was about ultimate courage in the face of the warmongers themselves.

This was an off the top of my head recall, so it may not be 100% accurate but I am sure I have the gist of it correct.

Best
Rev9

 

[tfurrh]

I would not rise for the Star spangled red glare and bombs bursting song.

Why would you not rise for the National Anthem?

 

[ChiefJustice]

The Tea Party is a joke; the neocon sway was always inevitable. The Tea Party only ever wanted low taxes and less domestic spending. They ignore militarism and fail at embracing the idea of liberty.

 

[chudrockz]

Why would you not rise for the National Anthem?

With all of our so-called "leaders" (excepting, of course, Ron Paul) doing their collective damnedest to bankrupt our country while committing mass murder in the Middle East on behalf of the Israeli government, a more appropriate question would be "why WOULD anyone rise for the (horrible/ militaristic) national anthem?"