So now what?

[Sematary]

It has become apparent that even when playing by the rules, the RNC will do ANYTHING to hold on to power, including changing or breaking it's own rules.
Is it REALLY a lost cause with the GOP? Is it just a pipe dream that we can somehow change the status quo from the inside?
Personally, I'm done with the GOP. After the strong arm tactics, the fraud, and the blatant use of power to ensure that things go exactly as they have planned, it is quite obvious that what we are doing isn't working within the structure of the system because the system simply adapts (see - lies, cheats and steals) to get the outcome it desires.
So now what?

 

[Mattsa]

It has become apparent that even when playing by the rules, the RNC will do ANYTHING to hold on to power, including changing or breaking it's own rules.
Is it REALLY a lost cause with the GOP? Is it just a pipe dream that we can somehow change the status quo from the inside?
Personally, I'm done with the GOP. After the strong arm tactics, the fraud, and the blatant use of power to ensure that things go exactly as they have planned, it is quite obvious that what we are doing isn't working within the structure of the system because the system simply adapts (see - lies, cheats and steals) to get the outcome it desires.
So now what?

"You can't petition pirates" - Edward G Griffin

It was all very predictable frankly. You didn't seriously believe they were going to play by the rules and roll over did you?

 

[Sematary]

"You can't petition pirates" - Edward G Griffin

It was all very predictable frankly. You didn't seriously believe they were going to play by the rules and roll over did you?

What I'm truly amazed at is that (even with the corrupt lame stream media) they can get away with this crap without anyone calling them on it. The only person even talking about it is Ben Swann and how many people actually see his reports?

 

[wgadget]

They're in it together.

 

[cindy25]

call Gary Johnson, get him to slide down to VP , run as Libertarian, and insure that Obama wins.

that the SOBs at the GOP would remember in 2016.

 

[Rocco]

We've been through 2 election cycles, and you're already ready to give up? God, if everyone knew it was that easy to get rid of freedom loving people we'd all be under dictatorship right now.....just freeze them out of the political process the first 8 years they try to get involved and they'll go running away with their tails between their legs.

My god people, will you show some toughness and not give up so easily?

 

[Sematary]

I tried, I really did, to work within the GOP framework but the GOP just can't stand losing. Ron Paul *had* a plurality of delegates in more than enough states for his name to be placed into nomination in Tampa. When the RNC realized this, the dirty tricks became dirtier. I can't go into the litany of abuses of power that the RNC used to prevent Ron Paul's name being placed into nomination on the floor of the convention but I can say that the criminal organization known as the GOP makes the mafia look like a bunch of boy scouts. The most recent egregiousness took place in Maine, where Governor Lepage decided that since the GOP chose to replace the majority of the duly elected Ron Paul delegates with Mitt Romney friendly supporters, he will not be attending the Tampa convention: http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...24/maine_governor_wont_attend_gop_convention/
Good for him.

Other instances of RNC shenanigans (being nice here) have been documented by Ben Swann:
http://www.dailypaul.com/250519/rea...tops-to-keep-ron-pauls-name-out-of-nomination

The list of straight up illegal and immoral tactics by the GOP to prevent Ron Paul and his supporters from having a voice at the convention is long and, in some cases, comes with the blood (and bones) of patriots: http://rt.com/news/blogs/contrarian-view/gop-convention-paul-delegates/

You REALLY CAN'T make stuff like this up. Americans believe we live in a democracy (which we don't - for those who don't know. We live in a "republic") but what we live in is a nation that is controlled by corporations and covered by a main stream media which ignores at the behest of it's owners, the truth. We also live in a nation where those who "represent" us, don't. They represent their corporate masters, who pay the bills. Unfortunately, most Americans don't pay attention to media sources outside of the mainstream and thus, don't know the TRUTH about what has happened in this election cycle.
Unfortunately, because of this, there will be no popular outrage at the facts that point to a stolen election and people will simply go, zombielike, to the polls to vote for either Mitt Romney or Obama. It's a sad state of affairs that more people need to be made aware of but they won't - because the media won't report the truth. People will ONLY get the news that the corporations who own them want them to get and that is mostly fluff and distraction. Well played, GOP, well played.

(reposted from my facebook)

 

[Rocco]

The thing is, the GOP is not a small group of insiders. It is an apparatus with a massive voter list and a lot of prominent donors. The people you are referring to who control the GOP can be thrown out of their positions of power if we stay the course! You have Iowa and Nevada, two MAJOR battleground states with a lot of GOP focus, and we have kicked all those establishment cronies out of power and replaced them with our people in those states. We have national committeemen and women who are officially on the Republican National Committee from these states. Your response to losing the election cannot be to withdraw from the process, despite the progress we have made, because if it is then all that progress will have gone to waste.

 

[cindy25]

We've been through 2 election cycles, and you're already ready to give up? God, if everyone knew it was that easy to get rid of freedom loving people we'd all be under dictatorship right now.....just freeze them out of the political process the first 8 years they try to get involved and they'll go running away with their tails between their legs.

My god people, will you show some toughness and not give up so easily?

changing parties is not giving up. if the game is stacked against you then change the game you are playing

 

[Badger Paul]

"Is it REALLY a lost cause with the GOP? Is it just a pipe dream that we can somehow change the status quo from the inside?
Personally, I'm done with the GOP. After the strong arm tactics, the fraud, and the blatant use of power to ensure that things go exactly as they have planned, it is quite obvious that what we are doing isn't working within the structure of the system because the system simply adapts (see - lies, cheats and steals) to get the outcome it desires. So now what?"

Win. That's really what comes down to. A liberty movement candidate is going to have to start winning state primaries and caucus straw votes to take over the party. The way rules have been rewritten, the only alternative is to find a candidate who can win and it may well be Rand like it or not. Given the new rules which the party probably will adopt Monday, you have no choice but to win because they're eliminating the state and CD convention route to operate exactly like the Democrats where everything is tied together.

So there it is. You have to take power and you can only do that by winning elections and bringing the politicians on to your side because you are winners.

 

[anewvoice]

The sting of loss always takes time to recover from but I think with some time removed and an objective view you may realize we have gained more than expected. Ron Paul is coming to the end of his fight but he has recruited lieutenants to come behind him in greater force. Imagine what a liberty loving person felt like for the 20 years prior to Ron Paul running for President. How absolutely hopeless they must have felt.

What is important is whether we build on these advances or we retreat. We have gained ground in this war, and we made incursions deep into the GOP, but they fought back. Now we must hold the line and prepare for the next advance.

 

[thatpeculiarcat]

call Gary Johnson, get him to slide down to VP , run as Libertarian, and insure that Obama wins.

that the SOBs at the GOP would remember in 2016.

You know how incredibly disrespectful that is to Jim Gray?
I've seen this kind of post a lot and it makes no sense to me. The Libertarians had their convention and they nominated Gary Johnson and Jim Gray.

Obama will win in November, we don't need to do anything. Ron Paul supporters are split (not evenly of course) between voting Johnson, writing in Paul, not voting, or voting Obama/Romney.

 

[pcosmar]

So now what?

Have the Delegates Voted? Did I miss something??
I know a LOT of negativity is being pushed,, and a LOT of disinformation.

It seems to be targeted at delegates to make them give up before the vote,,
If they just give up and go home then the vote can be taken without them,, of if so discouraged they may vote for the Status Quo as it is the only choice left.

I'm waiting for the vote, Hoping for a pleasant surprise.

Next week,,will be based on the outcome,, not on the speculation.

 

[tod evans]

Only two options all along;

1) Fight

2) Lay down

Me, I'm a fighter.


[edit]
For the visually inclined.....

 

[ClydeCoulter]

So now what?

Have the Delegates Voted? Did I miss something??
I know a LOT of negativity is being pushed,, and a LOT of disinformation.

It seems to be targeted at delegates to make them give up before the vote,,
If they just give up and go home then the vote can be taken without them,, of if so discouraged they may vote for the Status Quo as it is the only choice left.

I'm waiting for the vote, Hoping for a pleasant surprise.

Next week,,will be based on the outcome,, not on the speculation.

^^ THIS ^^
"You must spread some rep around first"

 

[parocks]

You know how incredibly disrespectful that is to Jim Gray?
I've seen this kind of post a lot and it makes no sense to me. The Libertarians had their convention and they nominated Gary Johnson and Jim Gray.

Obama will win in November, we don't need to do anything. Ron Paul supporters are split (not evenly of course) between voting Johnson, writing in Paul, not voting, or voting Obama/Romney.

And some for Virgil Goode.

 

[georgiaboy]

 

[Smitty]

"Now what?" is a very open question which depends on a lot of unpredictable upcoming situations.

But at this point, the liberty movement needs to work to see to it that the GOP doesn't benefit from the corruption it demonstrated during the primary process.

If the GOP succeeds in placing Romney in the White House,...then *this* liberty movement is over.

 

[Badger Paul]

"ou have Iowa and Nevada, two MAJOR battleground states with a lot of GOP focus, and we have kicked all those establishment cronies out of power and replaced them with our people in those states. We have national committeemen and women who are officially on the Republican National Committee from these states. Your response to losing the election cannot be to withdraw from the process, despite the progress we have made, because if it is then all that progress will have gone to waste. "

For now we do, but I would tell our people in those states to watch their backs, because Prebius is going to try and bring back these parties under central control as soon as he can (especially if Romney wins). These new rules have his thumbprints on them too. Anyone who has watched how he operated in Wisconsin and saw how he neutered tea party groups and stifled any independent activism outside the party can see what he's up to. He may be fighting a losing battle historically but he's not giving up without a fight. He wants a top-down, total-control political party once again as it was under Rove.

As I said, the only way your're going to stop this is by winning and taking control yourselves. That's what it comes down to.

 

[RickyJ]

We've been through 2 election cycles, and you're already ready to give up? God, if everyone knew it was that easy to get rid of freedom loving people we'd all be under dictatorship right now.....just freeze them out of the political process the first 8 years they try to get involved and they'll go running away with their tails between their legs.

My god people, will you show some toughness and not give up so easily?

You be as tough as you want to be and you will lose every time to these liars and cheats. The only way you can beat liars and cheats is to expose them. If we don't do that and/or people won't listen to us, the only other option is force.