So It Seems Aug 2 Deadline Will NOT Be Met; Boehner Says No To Debt Ceiling Deal

Obama said on Friday - "The only bottom line that I have is that we have to extend this debt ceiling through the next election, into 2013.". (This is all political posturing)

If the Republicans hold their ground and drag this out until the 2012 election, Obama is done. Unless, Obama raises the debt ceiling without congressional authority as Bill Clinton suggested.
 
Please....

All the replies to this thread and no one has said anything about the "Plan B" they've had for awhile.

Essentially Mich McConnel and Harry Ried among others, are trying to push through legislation allowing the president to "temporarily" raise the debt ceiling without a full vote from the congressional houses. It would be sent directly from the Whitehouse, to a simple committee for an up or down vote, and no amendments.

This is actually the ONLY way the debt ceiling will get raised by the 2nd. They've already taken too long in order to get a full vote from both houses, and the executive signature.
 
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

i agree with hw on this , if the tea party people were strong supporters of the contitution they would have no problem with this , if they have a problem with this , they must be all hot air.
Oh, the debt is valid. I just can't see where it says we have to pay it.
 
All the replies to this thread and no one has said anything about the "Plan B" they've had for awhile.

Essentially Mich McConnel and Harry Ried among others, are trying to push through legislation allowing the president to "temporarily" raise the debt ceiling without a full vote from the congressional houses. It would be sent directly from the Whitehouse, to a simple committee for an up or down vote, and no amendments.

This is actually the ONLY way the debt ceiling will get raised by the 2nd. They've already taken too long in order to get a full vote from both houses, and the executive signature.

You are way ahead of your time. Most of us have barely learned about this.
 
and here comes "Super Congress". The conspiracy theorist side of me wants to believe this whole debacle has been staged simply so they could get their "super congress".
 
All the replies to this thread and no one has said anything about the "Plan B" they've had for awhile.

Essentially Mich McConnel and Harry Ried among others, are trying to push through legislation allowing the president to "temporarily" raise the debt ceiling without a full vote from the congressional houses. It would be sent directly from the Whitehouse, to a simple committee for an up or down vote, and no amendments.

This is actually the ONLY way the debt ceiling will get raised by the 2nd. They've already taken too long in order to get a full vote from both houses, and the executive signature.

If its not an amendment they're passing, what is it?
 
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We can't pay our legally authorized debt!
Obviously we need to get further in debt to pay this debt!!



Yes, that makes perfect sense!
/headdesk
 
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

i agree with hw on this , if the tea party people were strong supporters of the contitution they would have no problem with this , if they have a problem with this , they must be all hot air.

Unless I've missed something, the 14th amendment doesn't even apply here - ratification debate aside. We've got the revenue to address our debt, as well as cuts we can make to address future shortfalls.

14th amendment is a non-issue here as the argument isn't over validity of debt, or even the paying of debt - it's an argument over increasing the debt limit so we can go further in debt.

What's happening here, in essence, is that the US's credit card is maxed out. Some politicians, Obama included, want to raise the credit limit and keep spending. Others are (supposedly/now hypocritically/whatever) saying "No, we've got to pay down our balance, instead." Not raising the credit limit does not imply an argument against the validity of the debt, it implies that going even further in debt is simply retarded.

And everyone whines about the cuts, but there's PLENTY of breathing room as far as come to cuts anyway, and we're not even AT the point of default after Aug. 2nd - it's all scare tactics to get the credit limit raised. DOE's obviously on the chopping block as far as I'm concerned (since they've apparently HURT test scores), our intelligence agencies are even more bloated and less efficient at this point (streamline them and cut the fat so they're light and fast - and willing to show results to keep their future funding!)...so many options here.

Regardless, though, it's not even a valid point to bring in the 14th amendment. It says nothing to recognize the validity of future debt some people WANT to accrue.
 
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Unless I've missed something, the 14th amendment doesn't even apply here - ratification debate aside. We've got the revenue to address our debt, as well as cuts we can make to address future shortfalls.

14th amendment isn't a non-issue here as the argument isn't over validity of debt, or even the paying of debt - it's an argument over increasing the debt limit so we can go further in debt.

What's happening here, in essence, is that the US's credit card is maxed out. Some politicians, Obama included, want to raise the credit limit and keep spending. Others are (supposedly/now hypocritically/whatever) saying "No, we've got to pay down our balance, instead." Not raising the credit limit does not imply an argument against the validity of the debt, it implies that going even further in debt is simply retarded.

And everyone whines about the cuts, but there's PLENTY of breathing room as far as come to cuts anyway, and we're not even AT the point of default after Aug. 2nd - it's all scare tactics to get the credit limit raised. DOE's obviously on the chopping block as far as I'm concerned (since they've apparently HURT test scores), our intelligence agencies are even more bloated and less efficient at this point (streamline them and cut the fat so they're light and fast - and willing to show results to keep their future funding!)...so many options here.

Regardless, though, it's not even a valid point to bring in the 14th amendment. It says nothing to recognize the validity of future debt some people WANT to accrue.

I started composing a reply similar to this about the 14th, but ended up trashing it. Glad you did.
 
This is NOT default, and I am sick of the talking heads, and Obama calling it that.This is simply NO more credit, and not more adding debt we can't possibly ever pay. This is the best answer for us to finally FORCE the Government to work within a budget. Yes, it means cuts and making some hard choices... that's what they were sent to D.C. to do!!
You'll love this: Smoked the Talking Head @ BSNBC
 
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Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

i agree with hw on this , if the tea party people were strong supporters of the contitution they would have no problem with this , if they have a problem with this , they must be all hot air.

Then why is a balanced budget amendment such a big deal?

- Just wondering...
 
every tea party/repub i have heard is against raising the debt ceiling , i am no big fan of it , i am a big fan of the COTUS , to me it says it all.

we pay our bills .

That's got nothing to do with the debt ceiling. Nothing whatsoever. Increasing the debt is not the same thing as "paying our bills". In fact it's the opposite.
 
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