SO immature....

[VerlieJoy]

We should start a new trend and instead of booing the status quo, which we do do, we should instead laugh at them. Like in the middle of their speech when they say something neocon status quo crazy we all just burst into laughter. Man I'd want to see their reaction

I agree...then I could stop giggling quietly to myself

 

[Shane Harris]

I think there's a mingling of several arguments here, and it's causing some of the confusion.

There is the media, which is likely going to give us bad/no press anyhow, and then there are voters.

I really don't think trying to be polite because of what it will do for the media is a very strong argument. True, many voters rely on the media, and going out of our way to make an event out of booing and cat-calling and blurting out the first genius thing that pops into our heads... it's just going to make our candidate look bad. It's also true that, even if none of that ever happened, there'd still be a negative story or two online about Ron, and the main media outlets would rarely mention him at all.

I do believe, though, that those personal contacts people have with supporters is the greater part of the battle. That was the RLC. Those were Republicans, many of whom cared enough to go there and try to lobby for one candidate or another. Some merely showed up because they are genuinely undecided. There were a lot of people in the audience during Ron's speech who were not enthused, but they appeared to be listening. Those are not our die-hard supporters who drove dozens of hours to cast a vote. Those were people who were giving Ron a shot, and seemed to come away absorbing some knowledge.

Thankfully, I don't think there were rude supporters this time.

What's being rehashed is old stuff, in the wake of the establishment/non-Paul folks booing. Their booing has not been very well-received, believe it or not. Those people that hear about it say "what a bunch of children." I really wish I could say it and not cringe after the fact, knowing that the person I just spoke to will probably Google and realize that Ron Paul supporters booed and jeered at prior speeches this election cycle. That's water under the bridge, but yeah, I still cringe.

This "I'mma do whatever I want! Yeah!" contingent we have is growing a little smaller, and that's all for the good imo. At particular events like this, the speaker gets to have the spotlight. That's why all the Trump-related stuff was silly. Likewise, the few people who did pipe up and boo during Ron's speech (you could hardly hear them) were being ridiculous. You are representing Dr. Paul's brand at this kind of event, which is billed as being at least a semi-formal type event, on par with a business-related event. That is how you should think of it. You wouldn't do this at most workplaces.

At rallies, at fun events, at places where the atmosphere is more of a party type one... go for it. Have at it. Drink, shout, chant, cheer, scream, hoot, holler, and maybe even lose an article of clothing or two.

When you are attempting to gain support, though, know your audience and stop making it about you.

yes. act appropriately. act like ron. be respectful. speak softly and carry a big stick. we are trying to persuade people. we are trying to be charismatic. we are trying to explain to a very stubborn and arrogant group of people that they should re-examine their long held beliefs about government. we cannot be successful unless we can be kind and charismatic. we will never win if we continue to stab ron in the back by inciting hatred and offending the very people we need to be wooing. i believe its called blowback. believe it or not enthusiasm for any cause is measured not by how obnoxious you are but by how much you are willing to sacrifice for the good of the cause, including holding your tongue when the result of being rude will only hurt your cause. libertarians need to realize that just because you CAN express every feeling you ever have doesn't mean you SHOULD. this "im going to cheer every word ron says and boo and hiss every single person i disagree with" comes across as overcompensating and just foolishly immature. lets help ron by emulating his behavior

 

[JK/SEA]

Mod note: edit.

 

[Bryan]

My $0.02. I understand the mindset of you just can't always stay silent, and with that, everyone needs to take personal responsibility for their actions. However, if you are representing Dr. Paul, either directly or indirectly, then your actions will reflect on him and his support base and I fail to see how disruptive outbursts that would differ from the campaigns wishes would do us any good.

Even on your own, good judgement goes a long ways, and I would say to not boo, not laugh, or otherwise be out of order. There are other things that could be done. Right place, right time, right thing.

 

[JK/SEA]

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[VerlieJoy]

I agree...then I could stop giggling quietly to myself

I must retract this statement...it would be funny...but only in the moment. Giggling silently isn't as disruptive. Perhaps a better alternative would be to kill them with kindness, and as RP always says, "No long faces." Forgive me for my moment of weakness in considering such inappropriate behavior. Shane is right...by acting appropriately and conducting ourselves in a respectful manner, we are more likely to sway people our way. We don't like hecklers when RP is speaking; therefore, there should be no heckling or any other disrespectful outbursts while others are speaking.

 

[Revolution9]

So, you're apparently calling immature interruptions of a speech "crazy", then. Are Ron's appearances in the media merely as result of his 2008 campaign or another possibility? Actually, Ron's appearances in the media are due to a combination of factors, especially the federal government's relentless assault on people's unalienable rights. If the latter condition didn't exist, Ron's appearances or campaign wouldn't be necessary. The continual abuses of the federal government are driving Ron's continued popularity and campaigns, not simply publicity from his 2008 campaign alone. Currently, Ron is still polling in single digits after 4 years of exposure from his 2008 campaign. Although an improvement, I doubt those numbers will suffice in November of 2012. Lastly, you still haven't directly answered my question on the repercussions of the freedom of expression.

As far as your three questions to me: The consequences of continued governmental oppression have done more to advance the cause of Ron's popularity than the actions of Ron and his campaign itself as witnessed by his current polling. Since political conditions have worsened since 2008, so Ron's popularity has concomitantly increased in relative inverse proportion. If another candidate were running alongside of Ron with similar constitutional views, voting record, and integrity, the vote would split between the two. So, the consequences of a blackout by major media and the irresponsible actions of some of Ron's supporters is of lesser importance than the prevailing political conditions driving Ron's popularity. This observation doesn't mean that polling in single digits is simply a result of political conditions as it clearly is not. Regardless, immature and irresponsible actions don't help Ron's cause whether one considers the expression of such freedom "eloquent", "crazy" or not.

Aargh ... enough for now as I hate the input pad on this laptop ...

Immature interruptions are craziness and show dishonor where the person being disrupted is honorable and sane. Ron is doing just fine and all is as it should be and will be with him. The Divine Creator GUARANTEES IT. I estimate that without his presence on the political stage alot more folks would be perplexed as to how to handle this situation of little men getting out of control and irresponsible with their various offices of power and projection of said power. As it stands we need the simple and natural expediency of freedom to subdue and overcome this threat. This can either come internally as through the teachings of The Christ or through the external which would be monikered "political affairs". Ron's message includes both the internal responsibility as well as an external methodology to bring about a situation where the Divine Law can have its greatest expression through its Creations.. This is why his message is still being sought as it is an ancient idea brought to modern expression by the good Doctor. Ron is a gentleman and an inspiration as to how real men react and comport themselves. His wife, though not the greatest of lookers is quite graceful and feminine and at 50+ years of marriage and matriarch of a great American family is an inspiration as well

As to your demand I answer your rather vague and rhetorical question on the repercussions of the freedom of expression. Do you wish I write a thesis where this expression is cinematographic, or painterly, a drawing, perhaps one of the CGI disciplines, a classical ballet, a martial arts demonstration, limerick, perhaps prose or poetry, a Tesla coil driven flame shooting, machine monster extravaganza, telling the judge in the robes of the Soul Stealers of Gall to kiss my royal golden ass, or perhaps a parody of some form or other, sarcastic belittlement, or deliberately setting a church on fire and burning to death most of the congregation or....... I am thinking you could be a little more exact in your demands if you expect them to materialise.

This is laughable as it is improbable and at this stage of the gambit IMPOSSIBLE "If another candidate were running alongside of Ron with similar constitutional views, voting record, and integrity, the vote would split between the two." For this to occur you would have to surgically dismember the platforms of dozens and discard most of their proposals and plans and present the Frankensteinian zomboid as the mythical beast you cherish in an effort to round out your poor arguments.

Best Regards
Rev9

 

[tpreitzel]

Immature interruptions are craziness and show dishonor where the person being disrupted is honorable and sane. Ron is doing just fine and all is as it should be and will be with him. The Divine Creator GUARANTEES IT. I estimate that without his presence on the political stage alot more folks would be perplexed as to how to handle this situation of little men getting out of control and irresponsible with their various offices of power and projection of said power. As it stands we need the simple and natural expediency of freedom to subdue and overcome this threat. This can either come internally as through the teachings of The Christ or through the external which would be monikered "political affairs". Ron's message includes both the internal responsibility as well as an external methodology to bring about a situation where the Divine Law can have its greatest expression through its Creations.. This is why his message is still being sought as it is an ancient idea brought to modern expression by the good Doctor. Ron is a gentleman and an inspiration as to how real men react and comport themselves. His wife, though not the greatest of lookers is quite graceful and feminine and at 50+ years of marriage and matriarch of a great American family is an inspiration as well

As to your demand I answer your rather vague and rhetorical question on the repercussions of the freedom of expression. Do you wish I write a thesis where this expression is cinematographic, or painterly, a drawing, perhaps one of the CGI disciplines, a classical ballet, a martial arts demonstration, limerick, perhaps prose or poetry, a Tesla coil driven flame shooting, machine monster extravaganza, telling the judge in the robes of the Soul Stealers of Gall to kiss my royal golden ass, or perhaps a parody of some form or other, sarcastic belittlement, or deliberately setting a church on fire and burning to death most of the congregation or....... I am thinking you could be a little more exact in your demands if you expect them to materialise.

This is laughable as it is improbable and at this stage of the gambit IMPOSSIBLE "If another candidate were running alongside of Ron with similar constitutional views, voting record, and integrity, the vote would split between the two." For this to occur you would have to surgically dismember the platforms of dozens and discard most of their proposals and plans and present the Frankensteinian zomboid as the mythical beast you cherish in an effort to round out your poor arguments.

Best Regards
Rev9

Again (Updated version since I'm home without that blasted laptop ... See original post)

So, you're apparently calling immature interruptions of a speech "crazy", then. Are Ron's appearances in the media merely as result of his 2008 campaign or another possibility? Actually, Ron's appearances in the media are due to a combination of factors, especially the political ones. If the oppressive political and poor economic conditions didn't exist, Ron's appearances or campaign wouldn't be necessary. The continual abuses of federal policies are driving Ron's continued popularity and campaigns, not simply publicity from his 2008 campaign alone. Currently, Ron is still polling in single digits after 4 years of exposure from his 2008 campaign. Although an improvement, I doubt those numbers will suffice in November of 2012. Lastly, you still haven't directly answered my question on the repercussions of the freedom of expression.

As far as your three questions to me: Any attempt by major media of a "full blackout" likely affected only certain demographics, e.g. 50+ years of age, an important block of voters for sure. Regardless of major media's efforts to mitigate Ron's campaign, with access to the InterNet, any attempt of a blackout was less than full. You'll have to ask members of the major media about their motivations as I can only guess. The "natural result of the expression of freedom" is anarchy. With internal restraint stemming from a sense of responsibility, one desirable result of the freedom of expression can be truth.

The consequences of federal policies have done more to advance the cause of Ron's popularity than the actions of Ron and his campaign itself as partly implicated by his current polling. Since political conditions have worsened since 2008, so Ron's popularity has concomitantly increased in relative inverse proportion. If another candidate were running alongside of Ron with similar constitutional views, voting record, and integrity, the vote would split between the two. So, the consequences of an attempted blackout by major media and the irresponsible actions of some of Ron's supporters is of lesser importance than the prevailing political conditions driving Ron's popularity. This observation doesn't mean that polling in single digits is simply a result of political conditions as it clearly is not. Without the disaffected, Ron's campaign is fruitless. Without Ron's campaign, the disaffected are left rotting on the vine. The key to Ron's success is both an increasingly disaffected electorate and an increasingly effective campaign. We see the former, but will we see the latter? Regardless, immature and irresponsible actions don't help Ron's cause whether one considers the expression of such freedom "eloquent", "crazy" or not.

 

[tpreitzel]

As to your demand I answer your rather vague and rhetorical question on the repercussions of the freedom of expression. Do you wish I write a thesis where this expression is cinematographic, or painterly, a drawing, perhaps one of the CGI disciplines, a classical ballet, a martial arts demonstration, limerick, perhaps prose or poetry, a Tesla coil driven flame shooting, machine monster extravaganza, telling the judge in the robes of the Soul Stealers of Gall to kiss my royal golden ass, or perhaps a parody of some form or other, sarcastic belittlement, or deliberately setting a church on fire and burning to death most of the congregation or....... I am thinking you could be a little more exact in your demands if you expect them to materialise.

As I suspected, your answer to the "natural result of the expression of freedom" is anarchy.

This is laughable as it is improbable and at this stage of the gambit IMPOSSIBLE "If another candidate were running alongside of Ron with similar constitutional views, voting record, and integrity, the vote would split between the two." For this to occur you would have to surgically dismember the platforms of dozens and discard most of their proposals and plans and present the Frankensteinian zomboid as the mythical beast you cherish in an effort to round out your poor arguments.

Would you like to wager on my allegedly "poor argument"?

 

[Revolution9]

As I suspected, your answer to the "natural result of the expression of freedom" is anarchy.

Would you like to wager on my allegedly "poor argument"?

Pfft. You are not a good reader. You are the one who equates the expression of freedom as anarchy. BTW..it was Reno who used her expression of power to burn down a church and its congregation, along with a cabal of little men who deem themselves Ghawds. I personally equate expressions of freedom with my various arts talents and my writings and verbal banter and tale telling. I used to be one hell of a dancer but the music sucks in the last twenty years.

I will wager on your poor argument. I challenge you to bring forth this mythical candidate that sounds and tastes like Ron but is not that will split his vote in two. One hundred bucks sounds good. Now, since I deem wagering a sin I suggest you just send those fiat digits I will win, due to your inability to produce said candidate, to the RP 2012 campaign and do your part.

I see you are having a hard time discerning the nature of a Divine Being and the choices they must make in an insane world. Dwell on it some and it will come. The exception to this would be psychopaths and organic portals. I am in no way implying you are of those categories. I am saying Creations of The Divine know their source in their hearts and when they do they must act accordingly.

I also note you are having a hard time pigeonholing me. You are amongst a swath incapable of doing so. Keep trying though. Yer learning.

Best Regards
Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

, any attempt of a blackout was less than full. You'll have to ask members of the major media about their motivations as I can only guess.

This above is the real meat of your post. You deem yourself incapable of intelligence analysis of signals and propaganda. How then can you possibly navigate in this world with any sense of surety. A cat knows a rat is in the area just as surely as the rat knows the cat is around. They have both analysed the signals that were significant in their environment. How one uses those signals will determine if they have done their duty as a ratcatcher or fed themselves conversely if they were under no duty and the rat was going to be dead or dinner if it did not use its signals intelligence appropriately or do effective avoidance. However, because you are unable to discern the nature of signals and intelligence do not deem that your fellow citizens are in the same condition. Most of the MSM's tactics were easily discernible to one who viewed the propaganda with a detached mindset and weighed the various statements, news and "stories" which is exactly what a "developing story" is. The SOB evil always signatures itself. The trick of the turn is to be aware that there is this gambit always in play in this day and age. The good news is it the end of the beginning of the end, the fools, sychophants and psychos are divesting their masks by the truckload and the common folk/salt of the Earth will get their day in the Sun as the metaphor goes. Rip the mask from Ron Paul and there stands Ron Paul. How many other politicos can you say that about? I think the good folk of America just might take a cotten to this fellow Ron Paul and it is our duty to get his ideas before people so they can decide. Not the MSM.

Best Regards
Rev9

 

[tpreitzel]

Pfft. You are not a good reader. You are the one who equates the expression of freedom as anarchy. BTW..it was Reno who used her expression of power to burn down a church and its congregation, along with a cabal of little men who deem themselves Ghawds. I personally equate expressions of freedom with my various arts talents and my writings and verbal banter and tale telling. I used to be one hell of a dancer but the music sucks in the last twenty years.

I'll leave my capabilities in the hands of readers beside yourself. Do you now want to retract your examples of the "natural result of the expression of freedom"? However, I do believe that you aren't a very good reader. See the following section.

I will wager on your poor argument. I challenge you to bring forth this mythical candidate that sounds and tastes like Ron but is not that will split his vote in two. One hundred bucks sounds good. Now, since I deem wagering a sin I suggest you just send those fiat digits I will win, due to your inability to produce said candidate, to the RP 2012 campaign and do your part.

Let's do a short review of my remarks, shall we? I mentioned a candidate with his integrity, voting record, and constitutional views, did I not? Do we have such a candidate currently? Probably not, so do you have difficulty understanding a hypothetical case? Note the conditional, if, in the following sentence. Again, "if another candidate were running alongside of Ron with similar constitutional views, voting record, and integrity, the vote would split between the two". This hypothetical case isn't even debatable to a sound mind. You'd obviously lose such a bet. Now, if you want a possible candidate which exists right now, Chuck Baldwin would probably be a good choice. However, Chuck doesn't have the legislative record so he doesn't fit my hypothetical case. Fortunately for me, due to your misunderstanding of my original remarks, I don't need to use my funds to cover your obligations to Ron's campaign.

I see you are having a hard time discerning the nature of a Divine Being and the choices they must make in an insane world. Dwell on it some and it will come. The exception to this would be psychopaths and organic portals. I am in no way implying you are of those categories. I am saying Creations of The Divine know their source in their hearts and when they do they must act accordingly.

As a reborn Christian, I don't have a difficult time at all discerning the nature of Jehovah through the sacrifice of Himself as Jesus Christ. Dream on. Just don't bet that the Holy Bible is the inerrant Word of God.

I also note you are having a hard time pigeonholing me. You are amongst a swath incapable of doing so. Keep trying though. Yer learning.

Best Regards
Rev9

LoL ... No, I don't have the slightest difficulty "pigeonholing" you. I already know, but my stating thus here would get this thread moved. I just find your bombastic style of writing amusing...

 

[tpreitzel]

This above is the real meat of your post. You deem yourself incapable of intelligence analysis of signals and propaganda. How then can you possibly navigate in this world with any sense of surety. A cat knows a rat is in the area just as surely as the rat knows the cat is around. They have both analysed the signals that were significant in their environment. How one uses those signals will determine if they have done their duty as a ratcatcher or fed themselves conversely if they were under no duty and the rat was going to be dead or dinner if it did not use its signals intelligence appropriately or do effective avoidance. However, because you are unable to discern the nature of signals and intelligence do not deem that your fellow citizens are in the same condition. Most of the MSM's tactics were easily discernible to one who viewed the propaganda with a detached mindset and weighed the various statements, news and "stories" which is exactly what a "developing story" is. The SOB evil always signatures itself. The trick of the turn is to be aware that there is this gambit always in play in this day and age. The good news is it the end of the beginning of the end, the fools, sychophants and psychos are divesting their masks by the truckload and the common folk/salt of the Earth will get their day in the Sun as the metaphor goes. Rip the mask from Ron Paul and there stands Ron Paul. How many other politicos can you say that about? I think the good folk of America just might take a cotten to this fellow Ron Paul and it is our duty to get his ideas before people so they can decide. Not the MSM.

Best Regards
Rev9

Again, you clearly have a problem with reading comprehension. Notice, I said that "I can only guess" which certainly doesn't equate with your ludicrous assertion that I deem myself incapable of such analysis. In other words, I'd rather not speculate. Since you apparently have the "intelligence" to properly analyze "signals and propaganda", please elaborate for the readers as to the exact motivations of the mass media in attempting a full blackout of Ron's 2008 campaign. Surely, you know precisely ALL the motivations of the mass media because you're allegedly capable of "intelligently analyzing signals and propaganda".

As far as your last sentence about accepting the responsibility of spreading Ron's message, we have ONE point of agreement at least.

Anyway, I'm looking forward with amusement to more of your writing. I remember from prior years. As for tonight, I must interrupt this conversation for another scheduled broadcast of much higher priority.

 

[Revolution9]

<snipped babbling>

LoL ... No, I don't have the slightest difficulty "pigeonholing" you. I already know, but my stating thus here would get this thread moved. I just find your bombastic style of writing amusing...

Of course you don't have the slightest difficulty pigeonholing. If you would be so kind as to elucidate to the readers here just what i am as a stereotype then please do so. I can guarantee Josh won't ban you or give you a warning. I have asked simply for the amusement of the readers and proof in the pudding you are acting in hasty judgement based on preconceived notions. You are already off the mark on anarchist. I firmly believe our grandparents put the furniture in place for a reason and I am not the one to toss the furniture about nor destroy tradition. I rather like tradition and feel it is worth conserving. Anarchists also sport a red and black flag. Those are the colors of The Enemy. Traditionally my family ancestors were warriors in the fight against The Enemy in its various guises.

Don't bet that your interpretation of your new faith is the correct interpretation. Nor bet that I am speaking from The Holy Bible as interpreted by myself. Know simply that I am speaking (formulating a communication and then writing) and you may get your little gambit of pigeonholing rolling down a track with a destination.

Best Regards
Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Again, you clearly have a problem with reading comprehension. Notice, I said that "I can only guess" which certainly doesn't equate with your ludicrous assertion that I deem myself incapable of such analysis. In other words, I'd rather not speculate.

Again, in the context you present you will not or would rather not analyse the signals and propaganda. This may be due to personal recalcitrance, the inability to work your way through cognitive dissonance, a Stockholm syndrome type of psychological effect, or you were simply incapable.

As for another request from you that was laid out in a manner that no matter how it was approached a great deal, thesis level, of writing and citation would have to be involved. To wit;"Surely, you know precisely ALL the motivations of the mass media because you're allegedly capable of "intelligently analyzing signals and propaganda"". Which of course seems to put you in a superior position until rudimentary analysis is performed. Mass media is itself diverse and considering that there are umpteen channels kicking out hours to entire days and nights of programming the task you lay out is impossible in scope. Ergo, you do not win because you asked an unanswerable question backed by a fallacy designed to facilitate a failed answer under your rules. However the analysis of signals does not have to take into account ALL of the signals, only the most significant ones. In this case it is obvious to see a top down blackout was in place to put Obama in office and Ron would have smoked him had he had Republican backing. To deny this basic result of cogent analysis of the 08 elections is to ignore the nose on your face.

Best Regards
Rev9