So. I think I'm an anarchist

[Truth Warrior]

Because I support Ron Paul. I said I "think" I'm an anarchist. I don't know. If you noticed I kind of conveyed the idea I thought government power was evil. It is coercion of man by man, a monopoly on force. I supported and support his message because he was a peace candidate intent on downsizing that monopoly. Ron Paul would have cut down the size of government drastically, or as much as he could have with a neoconservative Congress.

I don't have to agree with every single thing Ron Paul believes to post on a forum dedicated to him. Lot's of his supporters came from the Left wing Democratic and Green parties. Are you gonna question their presence here?

Ron is VERY pro free market AKA capitalism and private ownership.

And, of course I do and will, each and every one.

 

[powerofreason]

this conversation is not worth continuing.

Well, you're right about that. Sorry I was unable to break your fixation on "feudal communes."

 

[Conza88]

Would you agree that a libertarian society must mature, and be the intermediate step, before anarchism can be reached? I think otherwise, say if we reached anarchy a month from now, people would soon be clamoring for government because they wouldn't know what to do with themselves.

This is my largely current line of thought. Limited government -> extremely limited government -> no government at all. If presented with the opportunity though I'd push the button.... i.e minimum wage laws gone, income tax gone, goods and services tax gone, gold standard implemented.. etc. People would get a shock imo, I don't need to file an income tax report?! ! I'd get rid of sedition laws.. I'd practically implement the US Constitution into law... I'd attack the state so hard the bastard will probably assassinate me... lol </daydreams> Liberty has got to be in the hearts & minds of the people... they've got to learn not to look towards government first, but as a last resort or not at all.

18. How might an anarcho-capitalist society be achieved?


"There is no consensus among anarcho-capitalists how a free society might be achieved. Everyone agrees that educating other people is useful. Beyond that, there are many strategies. There are Gulchers (named after the fictional "Galt's Gulch" in Ayn Rand's book "Atlas Shrugged") such as the Laissez Faire City bunch, who see little or no chance in changing an entrenched welfare-warfare State. These "retreatists" propose to set up isolated communities away from statist authority.

PTs (permanent tourists, perpetual travelers, prior tax-payers) try to maintain tourist status in all States they traverse, paying no taxes and keeping wealth effectively beyond the reach of grasping States. A sophisticated PT uses the "four flag" strategy: he'll use a passport from a different State than the one which claims him as subject, keep his wealth in a third State, and, when not traveling, reside in a fourth State.

At the other extreme, some anarcho-capitalists are active in electoral politics despite the traditional anarchist aversion to such means. Most anarcho-capitalists choose to "tend their own garden," preferring to set up voluntary alternatives to State agencies and functions. Home schooling, for example, is strongly advocated, as are neighborhood mediation associations, and participation in organizations such as Habitat for Humanity. Many anarcho-capitalists use private currencies such as Liberty Dollars, or anonymous digital currencies such as e-gold.

Virtually all anarcho-capitalists see the transition to a free society to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Some see little to do about proximate politics, and simply wait for the inevitable decline of statism while trying to "stay beneath the radar" of government. Anarcho-capitalists are, of course, ardent supporters of tax resistence. Many strive to support "counter-economic" activity, i.e. the illegal ("black") market, which they see as the only truly free market. (Agorism.) Many achieve an "off the books" income where no tribute is paid to the State. Thus, information about guerrilla capitalism, such as not leaving paper trails, not using tracable money, private mail drops, anonymous bank accounts and debit cards, etc. are of vital interest to these anarcho-capitalists."

Well, you're right about that. Sorry I was unable to break your fixation on "feudal communes."

Don't worry about constituent... he has an emotional preference towards anarcho-communes. (Tribes) It's your heritage isn't it?

 

[josephadel_3]

Ron is VERY pro free market AKA capitalism and private ownership.

And, of course I do and will, each and every one.

I am well aware of Ron's position. That was implied in your question. I am not against private ownership of possessions, but it's kind of strange to me to claim land as your own. It's like saying you own the ocean, which does exist sadly enough. I am for use of land, but ownership of land is just strange to me right now.

 

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

No, but fact is always a better basis for an argument than a 7 minute video.

Well, you're right about that.

(Unless if it's a cited video)

 

[powerofreason]

We're being overrun! Quick, form a coercive monopoly on some services the free market can provide us!

 

[mediahasyou]

How will it not? The only way you can prevent something like this is to organize some form of defense. Which is government.

As an anarchist, I advocate a voluntary state, not one that relies on the coercive action of taxation to sustain its life.

Government is a leech.

Imagine, subtract all your taxes to zero. No taxes. The economy would go off the hook. The standard of living for the poorest folk would be multiplied by 10x. That's better than any welfare can do.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I am well aware of Ron's position. That was implied in your question. I am not against private ownership of possessions, but it's kind of strange to me to claim land as your own. It's like saying you own the ocean, which does exist sadly enough. I am for use of land, but ownership of land is just strange to me right now.

Try this:

http://americanrevival.org/read/books/ownership.pdf

 

[powerofreason]

As an anarchist, I advocate a voluntary state, not one that relies on the coercive action of taxation to sustain its life.

Government is a leech.

Imagine, subtract all your taxes to zero. No taxes. The economy would go off the hook. The standard of living for the poorest folk would be multiplied by 10x. That's better than any welfare can do.

word.

 

[josephadel_3]

Yeah, after a great deal of reading and thinking, I now know for sure I am an anarchist, a Christian anarchist, more specifically. I won't be voting in November.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Yeah, after a great deal of reading and thinking, I now know for sure I am an anarchist, a Christian anarchist, more specifically. I won't be voting in November.

Congrats!

 

[nbhadja]

Ron Paul's movement really woke me up to libertarian and traditional limited government conservatism. Now, however, I feel like even a libertarian government is too much. Why? Because it will only grow after it's downsized. I know anarchists don't believe in capitalism and that is probably the one glaring difference that I am struggling with. On one hand, I agree with it. On the other, I think it is something that easily turns into corporatism, fascism, socialism etc.

What???????
Anarchists are the MOST capitalistic!!

 

[Truth Warrior]

 

[Conza88]

What???????
Anarchists are the MOST capitalistic!!

Traditionally, anarchists have been anti capitalist. European anarchists etc.

You see the usual anarchists respecting property rights?

 

[Truth Warrior]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]You're an Anarchist[/FONT]
Me too, says Butler Shaffer. So are all civilized men, in practice.[/FONT]​

 

[RevolutionSD]

"Anarchy" just means no rule.
Anarchists are the most freedom loving people of all.

There are others who CALL themselves anarchists, but still want some sort of government (i.e. "anarcho-socialists).

Then there are the cartoon-depicted bomb-throwing anarchists, which has nothing to do with anarchy and instead is just violence and chaos.

Keep in mind that 1) anarchy is the opposite of chaos, and 2) even in the smallest-government scenario that you can come up with, you will still need to use violence to keep the government in power, and that violence will grow larger and larger until we get right back to the socialist-fascist government we have today.

Anarchy is the only way for peace and prosperity. For more on this see www.freedomainradio.com

 

[Truth Warrior]

"Anarchy" just means no rule.
Anarchists are the most freedom loving people of all.

There are others who CALL themselves anarchists, but still want some sort of government (i.e. "anarcho-socialists).

Then there are the cartoon-depicted bomb-throwing anarchists, which has nothing to do with anarchy and instead is just violence and chaos.

Keep in mind that 1) anarchy is the opposite of chaos, and 2) even in the smallest-government scenario that you can come up with, you will still need to use violence to keep the government in power, and that violence will grow larger and larger until we get right back to the socialist-fascist government we have today.

Anarchy is the only way for peace and prosperity. For more on this see www.freedomainradio.com

Actually it literally means "no ruler".

 

[josephadel_3]

What???????
Anarchists are the MOST capitalistic!!

How many times do I have to repeat myself? Seriously?