Snowden revelations force Obama's hand on surveillance program

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"We don't have them, we've never had them, we have been transparent with them, we'll reform them".

Oh, and the War Street Journal says only 11 percent view Snowden "favorably".

Don't come back Ed, AmeriCunt people don't deserve you, and would kill you, if they had the chance.

You did the right thing, your conscience is clear, fuck Boobus.


Snowden revelations force Obama's hand on surveillance program

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...orce-obamas-hand-on-surveillance-program?lite

By Chuck Todd, Kelly O'Donnell and Carrie Dann, NBC News

Analysis -- NSA leaker Edward Snowden’s revelations have forced President Barack Obama’s hand, leading the president to announce new reforms of the government’s classified surveillance programs.

After his administration issued repeated defenses of a National Security Agency monitoring program that collects Americans’ phone and Internet data, Obama announced during a press conference Friday afternoon that reforms to the system will make the collection activities more transparent and "give the American people additional confidence that there are additional safeguards against abuse."

Obama said the changes will include changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court system -- which currently greenlights requests for data gathering -- as well as the creation of both an internal NSA position devoted to privacy and an external working group to evaluate transparency in the program. Officials will also launch a new website next week that will serve as “a hub for further transparency” for interested members of the public.

"Given the history of abuse by governments, it’s right to ask questions about surveillance by governments, particularly as technology is reshaping every aspects of our lives," he said.

Obama's announcement comes even as Snowden -- the defense-contractor-turned-fugitive who released information to reporters about the NSA’s monitoring programs -- has been charged with theft of government property and two offenses under U.S. espionage law.

He continues to evade extradition to the United States under a temporary asylum granted by the Russian government – an agreement that prompted Obama to cancel a planned meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in protest.

Snowden has generated strong feelings in the wake of disclosures, with many lawmakers decrying him as treasonous for releasing the information while others have used the case to press their concerns about how the government is watching American citizens.

Obama bluntly rejected the idea Friday that Snowden's actions were patriotic.

"No, I don’t think Mr. Snowden is a patriot," he said, adding that he would have preferred a "lawful, orderly" debate over privacy concerns rather than finger-pointing in the wake of the leaks.

But while the president has declined in the past to say whether he considers Snowden a “whistleblower” as supporters of the alleged leaker claim, Snowden’s actions were at the very least a catalyst for the coming reforms, which he says will establish additional layers of oversight to reign in possible abuses of the NSA practices.

Obama defended the existing program as recently as Tuesday, stating flatly during an interview with comedian Jay Leno that “we don’t have a domestic spying program.”

Answering a question from NBC's Chuck Todd, President Obama says that a review of intelligence gathering was already underway, and that Edward Snowden should have used alternative methods to have his grievances heard.

“But,” he added, “what I've said before I want to make sure I repeat, and that is we should be skeptical about the potential encroachments on privacy. None of the revelations show that government has actually abused these powers, but they're pretty significant powers.”

Obama said Friday that he remains confident that the NSA is not abusing the information it collects but argued that the reforms will help assure the American people that their privacy will not be violated.

"The fact that I said that the programs are operating in a way that prevents abuse -- that continues to be true without the reforms," he said. "The question is 'how do I make the American people more comfortable?'"

And, at the moment, polling shows that’s not the case.

A NBC/WSJ poll last month showed that 56 percent of Americans say they're worried the United States will go too far in violating privacy rights. That’s a dramatic shift from the national environment after the 9/11 terror attacks, when 55 percent of Americans said they worried that the United States would not go far enough in monitoring potential terrorists who live in the United States.

That poll also showed that only 11 percent of Americans said they viewed Edward Snowden positively, versus 35 percent who said they viewed him negatively.

On Tuesday, Obama declined to comment at length on Snowden’s status, saying it’s important not to “prejudge” the case. But the president said that existing whistleblower protections could have offered Snowden an avenue to report what he believed were inappropriate uses of Americans’ data without jeopardizing national security.

He repeated that sentiment Friday, saying that Snowden is welcome to a fair trial in the United States if he believes his actions were justified.

"If in fact he believes that what he did was right, then like very American citizen, he can come here before the court with a lawyer and make his case," Obama said.

But regardless of how Obama, the public or the law view the 30 year old former contractor, Snowden continues to be problematic for the State Department and the rest of the Obama administration.

His asylum in Russia demonstrated the fraying relationship between the United States and Putin’s government, and it remains unclear whether he will release more information that intelligence officials would consider a setback to anti-terrorism efforts.
 
Americans are fickle. Very fickle. All it takes is some propoganda machine to start saying, "he gave everything to the chinese! The chinese drained his computer, hes a moron"

I noticed after those statements it seemed like he went to 50/50. Then when he went to russia, he was painted as going to the enemy. Done.

Now its better for greenwald to carry to torch and bring forth the ugliness and show the truth, because i think a lot of people will tune out ed. Snowden played his part well, i hope he can disappear in Russia and live a semi normal life.
 
"That poll also showed that only 11 percent of Americans said they viewed Edward Snowden positively, versus 35 percent who said they viewed him negatively."

Don't you love these polls? Are we supposed to assume over half of the people polled fell somewhere between positive or negative or didn't know or care? Positive or negative doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room. Then again, if they reported that 40 percent answered "Who's Edward Snowden?", that would be pretty sad.
 
"That poll also showed that only 11 percent of Americans said they viewed Edward Snowden positively, versus 35 percent who said they viewed him negatively."

Don't you love these polls? Are we supposed to assume over half of the people polled fell somewhere between positive or negative or didn't know or care? Positive or negative doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room. Then again, if they reported that 40 percent answered "Who's Edward Snowden?", that would be pretty sad.

That's what I'm thinking.

Ed Snowden?

Whozzat?

*belch*
 
Oh yeah, what a force of the hand. It must have been so hard to make the decision to change this program as minimally as possible.
 
Oh yeah, what a force of the hand. It must have been so hard to make the decision to change this program as minimally as possible.

Obama Responds:

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Alex Lifeson of Rush interprets Obama:

This should make more sense:

 
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BARRY was on all the Libtard TV channels today, propagandizing big brother and the state, lying once again that the whistler blowers program protects Americans and resolves the illegal operations. :rolleyes:

BARRY said his Executive Order he signed to review NSA checks & balance(LOL)... before Snowden release the treasure trove tyranny conducted by government agencies spying on every single American. :rolleyes:

At press conference, Obama denounces Snowden—and promises reforms

Obama pans "sensationalized" leaks, says Snowden is "not a patriot."

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...nowden-and-promises-reforms/?comments=1#reply
by Joe Mullin - Aug 9 2013, 2:32pm PST

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Joe Mullin / C-SPAN

During a Friday afternoon press conference, President Barack Obama said that he would work with Congress to declassify more information about the National Security Agency's (NSA) secret surveillance programs.
At the same time, Obama denied that it was disclosures by Edward Snowden that moved this issue to the forefront. The reforms were already in the works, he insisted; Snowden's revelations were made in "the most sensationalized manner possible" and unduly scared people.

Even as he proposed reforms, Obama defended the spying as justified and protected from abuses—and he reiterated that Snowden is an accused felon and "not a patriot."
"No, I don't think Mr. Snowden was a patriot," said Obama. "I called for a thorough review of our surveillance operations before Mr. Snowden made these leaks. My preference, and I think the American people's preference, would have been for a lawful, orderly examination of these laws."
"All the surveillance technologies that have developed since these laws were put into place" may require additional reforms, Obama acknowledged. "That's exactly what I called for. The fact is that Mr. Snowden has been charged with three felonies. If in fact he believes that what he did was right, he can come here, appear before a court with a lawyer, and make his case."

If Snowden believed that the leaks were the only way to get the message out, he was wrong, said Obama. "I signed an executive order before Mr. Snowden leaked this to give whistleblower protections to the intelligence community for the first time," he said. "There's no doubt that Mr. Snowden's leaks triggered a much more rapid and passionate response than would have been the case if I had simply appointed this review board, and I had sat down with Congress and worked through it. It would have been less exciting and not generated this much press. But I think we would have gotten to the same place without putting at risk our intelligence."
Asked why he had changed his position on surveillance since when he was a senator, Obama denied that he had changed his position. He reviewed the programs when he came into office and chose to allow them to continue.
The programs "offered valuable intelligence that helped us protect the American people," he said, adding that they are worth preserving and not being abused. "If the American people examined exactly what was taking place... they would say, you know what, these folks are following the law." The question is how he as president can "make the American people more comfortable."

He continued:
Some bolts needed to be tightened up on some of the programs. That's why we appointed some additional reforms: compliance officers, audits, and so forth.
What you're not reading about is the government actually abusing these programs and listening in on people's phone calls or inappropriately reading people's e-mails. You're hearing about the prospect [that] these things could be abused. Part of the reason they're not being abused is because these checks are in place. It would be against the law and against the orders of the FISC [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court].

If you are outside the intelligence community and you start seeing these headlines—the US is Big Brother looking down on you—understandably, people are concerned. I would be too if I wasn't inside the government.
[The leaks came out in] the most sensationalized manner possible—week by week, to maximize attention, to see if they can catch us in some imprecision on something. In light of that, it makes sense for us to go ahead and lay out what we're doing. We will have a discussion with Congress and with industry... we will have a discussion with civil libertarians."

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This part from King Obama was rich.
We will have a discussion with Congress and with industry... we will have a discussion with civil libertarians."
Yeah i am sure Obama would love to do yet he invaded Libya without Congressional approval? or arming the Islamist rebels? he doesn't care about civil libertarians.
 
Obama and the journal can shove this (pole) up their ass. It is so easy to manipulate the output.
 
"The fact is that Mr. Snowden has been charged with three felonies. If in fact he believes that what he did was right, he can come here, appear before a court with a lawyer, and make his case."

Obama: When exposing our government's massive corruption, coverups, and lies, you always want to make sure you go through the proper channels that our government that you are exposing provides for you! We have these things in place for your protection! We established those things to help people like you! We want to know when we get caught totally violating the Constitution these things are happening so we can disappear you fix things! Didn't you know that Mr. Snowden? This isn't Russia! This is America and you have rights!

Come on Obama.
 
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