Snowden releases the intelligence agency guide to internet shilling

[devil21]

Where can I see detail about how this works? What I've seen is vague. I'd like to see something concrete. An example.

I agree but imho it's why we're only seeing 1% of the info that Snowden and Greenwald claim to have. They're letting out the big picture info while suppressing the damning specifics. Most people will ignore this sort of information until they find out that YES your favorite forum/website has imbedded gov't bots sucking up everything you type, your visiting habits, cookies, etc. That is the sort of stuff that will not be released.

What is "infiltration operation"? What would be an example of this?

I figured that list was somewhat self explanatory though it is mostly military terminology. These can all be done on very large scales (shooting wars) or on very small scales like websites or anything in between. The principles of manipulation apply regardless of target or scale.

Infiltration Operation is something like implanting agents into a forum (moderators?) or a real world situation of putting a CIA agent into a newsroom to plant fake stories or to spike damaging ones.

Ruse Operation is a planned hoax. Some that think no one died at the school would consider Sandy Hook to be of this variety.

Set Piece Operation is a large scale planned and executed military maneuver. It involves staging assets in advance and mobilizing all assets at the same time. Think WW2. Same principle can apply in smaller, non-shooting-war situations. Basically just a well financed and coordinated attack on whatever the target is.

False Flag Operation should be entirely clear by now. Could be a Gulf of Tonkin episode or could be something like attributing a hacker attack to the Russians when it was Anonymous.

False Rescue Operation is something akin to "Liberate the Iraqis from evil Saddam". Could also be something as small as shutting down a website to "protect" people from evil conspiracy theories.

Disruption Operation is self explanatory. Trolls that derail threads are a basic net example. Ukraine's problems would be a large scale example.

Sting Operation is setting someone or a group up with an outcome that is already predetermined. Stuff like the threads found here about ATF setting up mentally challenged people in gun running just to turn around and arrest them.

In the end it's all military strategy terminology.

 

[FloralScent]

I was unable to spot any.

You'll need a mirror.

 

[parocks]

I agree but imho it's why we're only seeing 1% of the info that Snowden and Greenwald claim to have. They're letting out the big picture info while suppressing the damning specifics. Most people will ignore this sort of information until they find out that YES your favorite forum/website has imbedded gov't bots sucking up everything you type, your visiting habits, cookies, etc. That is the sort of stuff that will not be released.



I figured that list was somewhat self explanatory though it is mostly military terminology. These can all be done on very large scales (shooting wars) or on very small scales like websites or anything in between. The principles of manipulation apply regardless of target or scale.

Infiltration Operation is something like implanting agents into a forum (moderators?) or a real world situation of putting a CIA agent into a newsroom to plant fake stories or to spike damaging ones.

Ruse Operation is a planned hoax. Some that think no one died at the school would consider Sandy Hook to be of this variety.

Set Piece Operation is a large scale planned and executed military maneuver. It involves staging assets in advance and mobilizing all assets at the same time. Think WW2. Same principle can apply in smaller, non-shooting-war situations. Basically just a well financed and coordinated attack on whatever the target is.

False Flag Operation should be entirely clear by now. Could be a Gulf of Tonkin episode or could be something like attributing a hacker attack to the Russians when it was Anonymous.

False Rescue Operation is something akin to "Liberate the Iraqis from evil Saddam". Could also be something as small as shutting down a website to "protect" people from evil conspiracy theories.

Disruption Operation is self explanatory. Trolls that derail threads are a basic net example. Ukraine's problems would be a large scale example.

Sting Operation is setting someone or a group up with an outcome that is already predetermined. Stuff like the threads found here about ATF setting up mentally challenged people in gun running just to turn around and arrest them.

In the end it's all military strategy terminology.

I know what false flag is, I know of USS Liberty or Gulf of Tonkin.

And I know they do it, I'm not denying they do it. And I'm not looking for proof they do it, for me. I want to be able to say = this is exactly what they did.

It really really pisses me off that they do this. There are few things that piss me off more. I don't want to be arguing with people who are paid to argue with me.

I want to know about the specifics of "internet shilling". When Israel attacked a US warship in 1967 and blamed in on their own enemies, that's false flag. I want specifics of internet shilling. Internet shilling is in the subject.

 

[devil21]

I know what false flag is, I know of USS Liberty or Gulf of Tonkin.

And I know they do it, I'm not denying they do it. And I'm not looking for proof they do it, for me. I want to be able to say = this is exactly what they did.

It really really pisses me off that they do this. There are few things that piss me off more. I don't want to be arguing with people who are paid to argue with me.

I want to know about the specifics of "internet shilling". When Israel attacked a US warship in 1967 and blamed in on their own enemies, that's false flag. I want specifics of internet shilling. Internet shilling is in the subject.

I doubt we'll see many specific examples released for public consumption so you have to use discernment and an understanding of the tactics (the list above) to see the examples for yourself as you come across them. If I pointed out examples that take place on this forum I'd risk being banned so I won't do that. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[compromise]

You'll need a mirror.

Link me the mirror?

 

[acptulsa]

Link me the mirror?

Glenn Beck is a much better IMO.

Yer such a tool.

 

[devil21]

Interesting insight on Snowden and his releases in the link. His story has seemed too fantastical to be entirely true and everything released should be looked at with the "qui bono?", including this release. There's no denying that paid shills of various forms are real. Heck, I know a girl that maintains a ton of fake Twitter accounts as a business marketing venture. The key is to not fall into the trap that ZEnemy posted above and to not let paranoia take control of you. It does seem that paranoia is being intentionally sown with many of Snowden's releases.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/18/309609/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout-op/

 

[parocks]

I doubt we'll see many specific examples released for public consumption so you have to use discernment and an understanding of the tactics (the list above) to see the examples for yourself as you come across them. If I pointed out examples that take place on this forum I'd risk being banned so I won't do that. Sorry to disappoint you.

How about on another message board. The idea that the US Government is paying people to post on the internet really pisses me off. I'm not saying I have doubts, I just would like to go on a message board and say "you sound like x. Read this link to y." Taking our money and using to pay people to go on the internet to explain why the government really needs to take our money. I really hate that. I really want that to stop. But anybody doing that. Government or private.

In sports, if you want a team to suck, for whatever reason, you pay people to go on message boards and relentlessly attack the players you want fans to hate. You get
fans to boo good players.

I just would like to see as much evidence that this is happening, so I can battle on the internet using that information.


Recently, I have noticed things getting worse, there seems to be more of those things.

I can say that what looks a heck of a lot like Government spies are very high up in the Ron Paul hierachy in Maine. I've mentioned that before. Things are just getting awful.

The "feel" is that they're taking our money, and just fking with everything. What specifically are we talking about? I want to see more documentation and specifics. I want to know what they're doing so I can say "stop doing that". It's just horrible.

 

[parocks]

Interesting insight on Snowden and his releases in the link. His story has seemed too fantastical to be entirely true and everything released should be looked at with the "qui bono?", including this release. There's no denying that paid shills of various forms are real. Heck, I know a girl that maintains a ton of fake Twitter accounts as a business marketing venture. The key is to not fall into the trap that ZEnemy posted above and to not let paranoia take control of you. It does seem that paranoia is being intentionally sown with many of Snowden's releases.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/18/309609/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout-op/

Having a ton of fake Twitter accounts isn't what we're talking about. She's like an entrepreneur of sorts. Spammers have been around since the first days of the internet.

We're talking about people paying someone else, or a number of other people, in order to influence outcomes. I see it all over the place and I want it to stop, and before it stops it would have to be known what is happening.

 

[devil21]

I wish I could help you more parocks but it's just not possible to repackage years of reading, research and descriptions of innate personality traits (the last being a big reason some "get it" but most don't) into a couple posts.

A comment from the presstv link that sums it up well:

The way the American people are being played in their own country by their own so called leaders is beyond belief. It's to much to comprehend. The layers of deception are themselves so multifaceted as to make it virtually impossible to get even a rudimentary grasp on, well, reality.

 

[angelatc]

I was unable to spot any.

If you think that vaccines are safe and effective, you might be a corporate shill.

If you think GMOs are safe, you might be a corporate shill.

If you cant produce a lick of truth to support your opinions, you might be able to spot corporate shills, too.

 

[Zippyjuan]

This is shilling:

http://www.predecimal.com/1965-scottish-shilling-p-775.html

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

bump and 5 starred... hope someone has more insight on the psychology behind the slides shown... went over my head.

 

[CPUd]

Having a ton of fake Twitter accounts isn't what we're talking about. She's like an entrepreneur of sorts. Spammers have been around since the first days of the internet.

We're talking about people paying someone else, or a number of other people, in order to influence outcomes. I see it all over the place and I want it to stop, and before it stops it would have to be known what is happening.

Start here:
https://www.cs.drexel.edu/~sa499/papers/adversarial_stylometry.pdf

 

[gwax23]

Great, now everyone on these forums will be paranoid and accusing anyone who disagrees on this or that of being a paid shill.

 

[CPUd]

Great, now everyone on these forums will be paranoid and accusing anyone who disagrees on this or that of being a paid shill.

This sounds exactly like something a paid internet shill would say.

 

[gwax23]

This sounds exactly like something a paid internet shill would say.

Dun dun dun

 

[Reason]

Wait...

I could have been getting paid to troll all this time!>!>!>?!?!?!?!

 

[muh_roads]

When do we get to fire these welfare queens?

 

[compromise]

I doubt we'll see many specific examples released for public consumption so you have to use discernment and an understanding of the tactics (the list above) to see the examples for yourself as you come across them. If I pointed out examples that take place on this forum I'd risk being banned so I won't do that. Sorry to disappoint you.

That is because there are no examples. You are either delusional, or you have forgotten that there are no examples. Please remember that there are no examples of paid shills on Ron Paul Forums.