I guess I am asking how you think things will change, if at all. Not that I think they are bad as they are.. The Trump discussions are always met with spirited rebuttal.
What's this cross examination about?
Easy for you to say that there's no problem, because the trolling is always met with 'spirited rebuttal', considering I never see you expending your time and effort coughing that 'spirited rebuttal' up yourself. Do you suppose the people meeting this crap with their 'spirited rebuttal' might have better things to do than run around cleaning up the place which (for better some days, for worse on others) still wears Ron Paul's name?
It's not my site. You can do whatever you want....but this is the 2016 election forum and barring some crazy set of circumstances the man who shall remain nameless is going to be the nominee.
Even in the Rand Paul forum you had a place to promote him and a "spin chaff" section where all the dirt was discussed.
The Nameless needs to be talked about. If it's not done here people will do it elsewhere....some place where there won't be Liberty people to post contradictory viewpoints.
Liberty should be about personal responsibility, education both toward other people and ones self and the strive to make the world a better place.
But again this isn't my site. I dont pay the bills so you can do whatever you want. It just seems odd that in the promotion of personal liberty and responsibility we would ban people from sharing their opinions and views EVEN if the were contrary to the stated mission.
And when the people promoting liberty are doing it on their own time, and the spammers are being paid to spam, does that mean that 'liberty' is 'served' by allowing the paid spammers to spend their anti-liberty bosses' money on the liberty site while the forces of liberty are forced to police it for free? Is this the level playing field on which liberty thrives?
Are you aware that the cause of liberty is closely tied to the concept of personal property, and that there are good reasons for that?
You just jump and cheer every time Trump swallows a chunk of personal property through eminent domain, don't you?
No, you missed the rest, the other dynamics suggest the main issue causing his rejection around here is his personality. Trump has concretely achieved (past tense) more things for the Mission than Rand has in this cycle, in terms of taking on the anti-liberty institutional obstacles. Can he get some strategic credit for that, at least?
No, because no credit is due. He did none of that. We did it.
His job is to steal our thunder. And since he has forty years' experience claiming credit for things other people have done, he's the right man for the job. But if you think he has accomplished anything at all for liberty, or even that he tore down any little corner of the media or the GOP, or if you think that he has personally dragged any of the stuff which now gets talked about and used to not be into the spotlight, then you are insulting Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and at least two thirds of the people who ever posted here. And you aren't just insulting us, you're doing us and the cause of liberty real and tangible harm by placing the credit for what we have done at the feet of a tinpot strongman who only wants to use this undeserved reputation you're helping build for him to tear down what we have done.
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It appears that the answer is definitively "no".
RPF has descended into cultism. If it doesn't align with dogma, it doesn't count.
Never mind that it's Trump, not Rand or Ron, who successfully challenged the culture of political correctness.
Never mind that it's Trump, not Rand or Ron, who successfully challenged the GOP to reconsider the wisdom of interventionism.
Never mind that it's Trump, not Rand or Ron, who put an end to the Bush political dynasty.
Never mind that it's Trump, not Rand or Ron, who successfully tapped into the actual will of the people, which we're kind of supposed to respect if we are serious about the whole elections/self-government thing.
Never mind that it's Trump, not Rand or Ron, who is successfully busting up the establishment and exposing their players at every turn.
But they will close their ears and ignore actual changed realities in our favor because they don't agree with his motives.
(mod edit) Trump built none of these things. Trump is an opportunist who found this state of affairs and decided he could use it all to his own advantage and glory, because he can get cameras and microphones pointed at him. You are simply trying to legitimize an illusion. And you are insulting and injuring everyone here by trying to get this baldfaced lie engraved in the marble slabs of history.
You could be right. Danger is definitely a concern of any Trump administration.. Maybe if he becomes a tyrannical president, it will be the catalyst for congress to finally find its balls and start taking power away from the executive.
Gee. Maybe he'll be kind enough to wreak havoc. And maybe Congress will stop being bought tools long enough to fight back. And maybe he'll go after Congress next. And maybe he'll try to burn every copy of the Constitution, in hopes we won't have it well enough memorized to piece it back together. And maybe we'll have a nice, healthy civil war. And maybe it'll go smoothly enough that the blowback effect won't see the rest of the world walking over us in the middle of our civil war like Sparta and the rest of Greece walked over Athens when it got too big for its britches.
You really know how to give us something to look forward to, don't you? Tell us, is this your best case scenario?
Great Post. People here are reminding me of leftists when it comes to business. They focus more on motives as opposed to results. It's like someone can invent a cure for a disease which saves millions of lives and creates thousands of jobs.......but they only did it for profit and to get rich so let's attack that person.
Trump has moved so many conversations in the right direction most notably as you said on FP, and further he has just made it possible all around to have conversations on any number of topics that were all but forbidden a year ago...........but he's only doing it because he's an ego maniac and not because he's a lover of liberty, so it has to be condemned.
That's another thing I'm hoping for.
Uh huh.
We held a conversation and the media blacked it out. We still reached enough people that the conversation continued, so they sent in a ringer to tap that new energy--and diffuse it. But in the process, he got the conversation un-blacked out, because if the media hadn't pointed cameras and mikes at their tool, the people who were moved by our conversation might have voted for a liberty candidate.
And now we're supposed to give him credit for things he didn't do and laud and magnify his holy name for 'single handedly ending the blackout' on the subjects
we forced into the realm of public discourse?
I don't suppose hell would be out of your way? Drop by some time...
Or reporting the real news that is positive for Trump, don't shoot the messenger, and don't block out the truth of factual news because you don't like it.
Well, don't that sound nice? In a perfect world, oh my how well that should work.
Unfortunately, your boss has heard of Goebbels, and knows that repetition can be stronger than truth. And he has plenty of places to spam that repetition without doing it here. So go tell him to get over himself and be content with the 268,401,500 places that are perfectly happy displaying his ugly mug and broadcasting his third grade discourse 24/7/366 on leap year.
Why, yes. Trump is coarse. And rude. And ruthless. But that doesn't mean he has to have his own way in every single dusty corner of the internet. It really doesn't. No matter how much he pays people like you to try and get it for him.
