Sioux Tribe: Passing Keystone Pipeline ‘An act of war"

[Natural Citizen]

If the oil companies can contract with enough individual property owneers to build the pipeline - then go for it. If not, then shove it. Congress and tribal governments ought to just butt out of it.

Ogallala Aquifer is the second biggest water aquifer in the world

Just hand that over to the fracking industry on some real estate deal? Ain't happening. That water supports at least 5 states and the people native to that area, hopefully, understand the difference between growth and survival. One is a natural phenomenon. The other is not. In fact, the latter literally contradicts the former here.

 

[jmdrake]

Ogallala Aquifer is the second biggest water aquifer in the world

Just hand that over to the fracking industry on some real estate deal? Ain't happening. That water supports at least 5 states and the people native to that area, hopefully, understand the difference between growth and survival. One is a natural phenomenon. The other is not. In fact, the latter literally contradicts the former here.

I'm not sure what fracking has to do with this as the proposal isn't to frack on Sioux land but to have a pipeline over it. That said, this caught my eye.

The Keystone XL pipeline will be buried underground at depths of four feet, and there are concerns about the pipeline springing leaks. Scott says it is not a question of if it breaks it is a question of when it breaks.

Why does it need to be buried underground? If it went above ground that would seem to make it easier to detect and repair leaks. This is what I was expecting when I heard about the Keystone pipeline.

And when there is a leak it is obvious immediately.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah, I'd be a bit irked out over burying this thing on top of that aquifer. A buried pipe you could have small leaks for years seeping through the soil and affecting the aquifer. An aboveground pipe and you don't have that problem. Aboveground you could even set the joints on concrete pads that catch the drip-leaks, and the occasional aboveground break you can return to pristine by simple scraping off an inch of desert.

Burying the pipe right above this particular aquifer is a really bad idea.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Mind you, I could engineer a buried pipe that would be safe. Cost-prohibitive, but safe. Say, bury a 30' diameter concrete culvert the entire length of the run, seal it completely excepting vents to the surface and utility covers, and then set up the actual pipe INSIDE the culvert as seen in the images above. Then you could get breaks and leaks and such that would be contained within the concrete culvert.

But I don't see anybody paying the money it would take to engineer it to that level.

 

[angelatc]

But these fools will not arm themselves.

Of course not. They don't want to give up their monthly checks.

I am not a fan of the GOP but the Democrats hate this pipeline so much I will enjoy seeing it finally passed.

 

[jmdrake]

Of course not. They don't want to give up their monthly checks.

Well the last time the Sioux tried an armed revolt it ultimately didn't turn out that well even though there were no "monthly checks" at stake. Yeah they won a few battles like Little Bighorn, but that was overshadowed by Wounded Knee. Any such uprising today would be put down by cavalry riding Apaches and Comanches (helicopters).

I am not a fan of the GOP but the Democrats hate this pipeline so much I will enjoy seeing it finally passed.

I want to see the pipleline as well, but not if it's seriously endangering a major aquifer.

 

[oyarde]

Well the last time the Sioux tried an armed revolt it ultimately didn't turn out that well even though there were no "monthly checks" at stake. Yeah they won a few battles like Little Bighorn, but that was overshadowed by Wounded Knee. Any such uprising today would be put down by cavalry riding Apaches and Comanches (helicopters).



I want to see the pipleline as well, but not if it's seriously endangering a major aquifer.

Well , yeah , there probably were , monthly checks at stake , I own food stamp tokens from the bureau that date from those times , myself , I would have melted it to bullets , hammered arrow heads from it or melted enough to make spear points , knife blades etc from it .

 

[oyarde]

They won't buy from you because later you will want it back.

Yes , sadly , they decline to do business with me , even though , I am very honorable and they are not . I am very specific about giving them twice the time they ever gave about stealing before I just take it back . What a bunch of pussies ,

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Well the last time the Sioux tried an armed revolt it ultimately didn't turn out that well even though there were no "monthly checks" at stake. Yeah they won a few battles like Little Bighorn, but that was overshadowed by Wounded Knee. Any such uprising today would be put down by cavalry riding Apaches and Comanches (helicopters).



I want to see the pipleline as well, but not if it's seriously endangering a major aquifer.

I want to see it too, but I don't want to see any private property owners forced out against their will. A privately held public works is not a proper use of eminent domain. Thou Shalt Steal Nobodies Land.

 

[Natural Citizen]

‘Death warrant to our environment & people’: Native Americans say no to Keystone XL

Dozens of Native Americans have descended on Washington DC on the first weekend of 2015 to stage a protest in front of the White House against the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline, which they call a disastrous “death warrant” to the environment and people...

“Keystone XL Pipeline is not in the national interest, has the potential to contaminate the nation’s largest freshwater aquifer, and puts the lives of all people who live along its path in serious danger,” Native Americans said in a statement...

The movement fears that the Republican dominated Congress, which reconvened on Saturday, will rapidly bring KXL bill up for a vote and send it to the president’s desk for approval...

Next week, the South Dakota Public Utilities Commission is expected to address the possible re-approval of the portion of the Keystone XL pipeline that would run through the state, Associated Press reports. The opponents of the project are planning protests in three SD cities – in Rapid City and Sioux Falls on Monday and in Pierre on Tuesday...

Continued - ‘Death warrant to our environment & people’: Native Americans say no to Keystone XL

 

[Acala]

Why does it need to be buried underground? If it went above ground that would seem to make it easier to detect and repair leaks.

It's safer underground. Imagine all the dorks taking pot shots at it if it was above ground. Or running into it with heavy equipment. Or deliberately blowing it up. In Alaska it had to be above ground to protect the permafrost and it doesn't matter much there because it runs through wilderness.

You would be amazed at just how advanced leak detection can be now. I don't know what they plan for this line but I know that large water mains around hear have a sonic leak detection system that is pretty amazing. The pipes are wrapped in wire. When the pipe starts to weaken or is damages in some way, some of those wires start to break and they generate a signature "ping". There are detectors placed at regular intervals along the pipe. When a "ping" is detected, the utility is notified and directed to the location of the leak within narrow boundaries.

That being said, I have has some involvement with two major gasoline pipeline leaks. One was caused by heavy equipment and the other was the failure of an old pipe. The first one didn't cause any ground water contamination even though it leaked hundreds of thousands of gallons because it blew out skyward and pretty quickly ignited. They wisely just let it burn until the line was cleared. The other one DID cause groundwater contamination and is costing a bundle to clean up.

 

[Republicanguy]

These native people obviously have their legitimate concerns about this pipeline, America needs's crude everyone knows that. There were those who decades ago were on a protest back in September 1970, on mount Rushmore, they wanted to speak with President Nixon but at the time, the Federal government couldn't care for those people.

As Gerald once spoke in the congress, "the power of the atom, the heat of the sun, and the steam stored deep within the Earth, the force of the wind and water must be main sources of energy for our grand children" ~October 1974

Ofcourse nothing revolutionary changed, everyone just went back to reality as normal after. At that particular time America was seventeen percent vulnerable to a shortage of refined crude in imports. Now that is about 65%.

There is a price to pay, and they will pay for it in way, as others will.