Since Ron Paul will not run in Nov. can we support Chuck Baldwin on the grassroots?

[MMolloy]

Yes. I have done much of this for Ron Paul except instead of attracting fundamentalists, I've had success with fellow Catholics. It is a segment that is often ignored by this movement sometimes. But it is the wrong mentality to think that those who are very religious should find comfort with the CP.

Yah, Catholics are ignored by those in this movement that can't realize that you need life in order to have liberty and that the whole Pro-Abort movement is tied in with the elites... Like Bush, McCain, Clinton, Obama etc

Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, was a radical Eugenicist!

And I'd like to hear Ron Paul talk about the possible Blowback of the US funding of Population Control projects in all the Arab countries... hmmm we're trying to tell them what to do with the most intimate of decisions... but we don't know why they view us as arrogant/evil. Nah, there couldn't be a connection!

 

[familydog]

And I'd like to hear Ron Paul talk about the possible Blowback of the US funding of Population Control projects in all the Arab countries... hmmm we're trying to tell them what to do with the most intimate of decisions... but we don't know why they view us as arrogant/evil. Nah, there couldn't be a connection!

That's interesting. Care to share more information on that? Maybe some links?

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Hey Engineer, instead of speculating maybe you should write Baldwin and ask him if he is against people playing poker against a computer that is rigged to take their money.

He may just tell you that he is against legislating intelligence.

Who knows?

Do you support liberty? How about regulation of the internet? You are so clueless about internet poker it's not even funny. I'm glad I've been able to beat these poker computers that are rigged against me five years straight.

Some Baldwin supporters contend Baldwin's stance isn't clear and they themselves support internet poker. You however, seem to be strongly against internet poker. What ever happened to allowing people to do what they want with their money?

Legislating intelligence? It would be stupid for me NOT to play.

Wow...I can't believe how many people here have chosen to put me down for advocating online poker rights -- a liberty Ron Paul strongly supports. I guess you Baldwin supporters feel a need to rip apart anyone who disagrees with him on anything. Lots of luck with that.

Ron Paul taking his time to stand up for internet poker

Of course you have made a fair amount of money playing, I have never met a gambler who didn't. Everybody's a winner. After all, online poker sites are in business to give away money.

Personally, if people want to play against a computer and believe that its not rigged to take their money, thats fine with me. I'm not looking to protect you from anything. Your responsible for the choices you make.

Again, you have no grasp of internet poker, or poker for that matter. First, internet poker operators can make money two ways; build a player base and scam players out of their money, or build a player base and a reputation and have players come back forever while basically operating a cash cow. Players tend to gravitate towards the latter. The amount of money these sites make is sickening, and it's not from scamming players. It's from operating a reputable business. Yes, internet poker operators can be trusted (some anyway). Please see my post, Internet Poker and the Free-Market.

Second, poker is a skill game, with luck involved. The beauty of poker is a first-time amateur, with luck, can beat a world-class player in any single hand. The amateur can also beat the player in a single session. The longer these players sit together (not very long in this example), the amateur players chances of winning become less and less. In the long run, as in any skill game, skill will beat luck every time. Skilled poker players do exist, and they make money.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well, if it is working with the catholics that's good also. We need the message of liberty spread whatever it takes! I was raised catholic, my father is still a catholic. I am for whatever it takes to get back to the Constitution. Neither Barr or Baldwin will win the presidency but I consider the movement to be bigger than that. It's about spreading the message and getting off the two party system. If we have 4 parties that are serious contenders, fine with me. I'm not so much party bound as LIBERTY bound. Personally, I have been getting involved with Shepherds Chapel. Dr. Arnold Murray. www.shepherdschapel.org TONES

 

[MMolloy]

That's interesting. Care to share more information on that? Maybe some links?

Most info is like the following imbedded in Academic Papers but if you read them, you'll get the info:

http://www.allacademic.com/one/www/research/index.php?click_key=1

Hit the 4th pdf on this page for population control history in Egypt.
(population control explanation starts around page 6 of 29)
There are also many references in this article that will lead back to the US International Population (Control) Policy.

In 1974 the US identified Egypt as one of 13 countries requiring concentrated population control efforts.

I'll post more later.

 

[familydog]

Most info is like the following imbedded in Academic Papers but if you read them, you'll get the info:

http://www.allacademic.com/one/www/research/index.php?click_key=1

Hit the 4th pdf on this page for population control history in Egypt.
(population control explanation starts around page 6 of 29)
There are also many references in this article that will lead back to the US International Population (Control) Policy.

In 1974 the US identified Egypt as one of 13 countries requiring concentrated population control efforts.

I'll post more later.

The link isn't working for me

 

[Alex Libman]

This forum needs to get rid of the theocratic nut-jobs by ostracizing them, or else they will completely ruin Ron Paul's legacy! The torch of the Ron Paul revolution should have passed to someone like Mary Ruwart, but unfortunately that didn't happen. Unless by some miracle a Boston Tea Party or a Free Stater Party gets its act together in the next few months, Bob Barr is the most libertarian candidate you can vote for.

Baldwin reminds me of Hitler before he came to power, even worse than the corrupt socialist status quo that he'd replace. Sure, he's saying all the right things now, but imagine what his Prohibition, errr, I mean """Constitution""" party would do if they came to power on state level! They won't just stop at outlawing gambling and pornography as their platform is calling for, no sir! We're talking about Christian Taliban here!

 

[Theocrat]

Watch What You Say

This forum needs to get rid of the theocratic nut-jobs by ostracizing them, or else they will completely ruin Ron Paul's legacy! The torch of the Ron Paul revolution should have passed to someone like Mary Ruwart, but unfortunately that didn't happen. Unless by some miracle a Boston Tea Party or a Free Stater Party gets its act together in the next few months, Bob Barr is the most libertarian candidate you can vote for.

Baldwin reminds me of Hitler before he came to power, even worse than the corrupt socialist status quo that he'd replace. Sure, he's saying all the right things now, but imagine what his Prohibition, errr, I mean """Constitution""" party would do if they came to power on state level! They won't just stop at outlawing gambling and pornography as their platform is calling for, no sir! We're talking about Christian Taliban here!

I guess you've never read this before nor listened to this. If Dr. Chuck Baldwin is part of a "Christian Taliban," then so is Congressman Paul.

 

[Alex Libman]

Even Cato had to give away free bread to get elected. IMHO Ron Paul is a closet Objectivist who's also a darn good politician and knows he needs the Christian vote. Paul never based any of his logic on the Bible - he used religion as seldomly as possible, and only for style rather than substance. And there's nothing wrong with that - Machiavellian atheists like me understand that lesser minds need religion, heck, we've invented it! But the Constitution party actually believes that rubbish, and that's what makes them so dangerous.



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[familydog]

Even Cato had to give away free bread to get elected. IMHO Ron Paul is a closet Objectivist who's also a darn good politician and knows he needs the Christian vote. Paul never based any of his logic on the Bible - he used religion as seldomly as possible, and only for style rather than substance. And there's nothing wrong with that - Machiavellian atheists like me understand that lesser minds need religion, heck, we've invented it! But the Constitution party actually believes that rubbish, and that's what makes them so dangerous.

I thought you'd never top your comment in which you said you could vote for candidates that advocate child rape. I stand corrected. Congratulations

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Long Live God. Sorry you are so afraid of Christians. TONES

 

[Alex Libman]

I'm not afraid of Christians, but I am afraid of anyone trying to use the force of government to shove their ideology down other people's throats, which is exactly what the Constitution Party stands for, and that's the only reason anyone would support it over the LP.


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[kombayn]

I love how people always forget one of the basic principals of America is suppose to be the separation of Church and State, yet we always do very hypocritical tactics at any measure to not follow that rule.

 

[MMolloy]

The link isn't working for me

http://www.allacademic.com/one/www/... don't know why it put the ... in the middle.

 

[MMolloy]

I'm not afraid of Christians, but I am afraid of anyone trying to use the force of government to shove their ideology down other people's throats, which is exactly what the Constitution Party stands for, and that's the only reason anyone would support it over the LP.

You missed your calling Alex... you should be working for Faux News or churning out disinformation for the CIA.

You just want to rape and or kill children... you're one sick Narcissistic @$%*

If anyone gives this revolution a bad name it's YOU

Here's Chuck's WRITINGS on Separation of Church and State AGAIN:
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin418.htm

 

[Alex Libman]

Don't make me reductio ad hitlerum with Hitler's writings on world peace, animal rights, and safely exporting all European Jews to their own homeland after the war is won.

Baldwin wants to legislate morality and punish victimless crimes. A fiscally conservative states-rights socialist is still a socialist. And he's a nationalist to boot. Nationalist + Socialist = Nazi. Period. The O'Reilly factor is up next, I have a Cadillac trunk full of children to rape and kill. (Don't know where that one came from, but your petty name calling only discredits your own side.)



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[MMolloy]

Don't make me reductio ad hitlerum with Hitler's writings on world peace, animal rights, and safely exporting all European Jews to their own homeland after the war is won.

Baldwin wants to legislate morality and punish victimless crimes. A fiscally conservative states-rights socialist is still a socialist. And he's a nationalist to boot. Nationalist + Socialist = Nazi. Period. The O'Reilly factor is up next, I have a Cadillac trunk full of children to rape and kill. (Don't know where that one came from, but your petty name calling only discredits your own side.)

Baldwin, like RP, is neither a Socialist nor a Nationalist.

And that equation (Nationalist + Socialist = Nazi) is the only thing I've ever seen you get factually correct. The best liars throw in a little more truth than you do but I guess you haven't mastered your art yet.

 

[familydog]

http://www.allacademic.com/one/www/...... in the middle.[/QUOTE] Hmm okay. Thanks.

 

[fedup100]

I'm not afraid of Christians, but I am afraid of anyone trying to use the force of government to shove their ideology down other people's throats, which is exactly what the Constitution Party stands for, and that's the only reason anyone would support it over the LP.

I believe it can be safely said that there already is a religion that is forcing it's view points down our throats and sadly it isn't the Christians. In fact this bunch is now in control of every aspect of our government including the military and believe me brother, their ideology is going to kill you and your children for what they believe.
Everything they do is done in the name of their religion. Do you understand "A" religion is running your America? They have also brainwashed the masses into believing it is the Christian right that put Bush into office and led us into this maze of fascism. The real truth is the so called christian right is neither christian or conservative or right.

Separation of church and state my ass? I believe the ACLU has made sure the Christian religion has been put away, stomped on, removed from public view and spat upon all the while paving the way for their religion to overthrow our beloved Republic.

They are now firmly in control and have their whorey fingers around our freedoms and our throats......yeah, you know who they are.

As far as who to vote for or which party to support. FORGET IT! Ron Paul ran and hid when he could have won the whole damn thing third party and it isn't to late but he will not do it. I venture to say if he were given the Presidency, he would not take it. He was floored when he saw that his campaign had taken off so forcefully and with so many numbers it scared the shit out of him.

This man knows they would have killed him. I have less respect for Dr. Paul now. He was another Ross Perot, we have been "Peroted" He took our money and ran, he never intended to run a serious campaign and now at this last minute of the last hour of this Republic, we can join his new group to fight the great fight of retaking the house and senate etc for years to come, sure.

We are now all splintered. You know it. Every other thread is this party, that candidate, oh, what to do. The reason you don't know what to do is because our fearless leader is sitting back and refusing to tell you what to do. We have no leader, but for pete's sake people could you not see that unity of all the little parties and groups was our only hope. Trolls and fools have made sure you are all divided.

I say someone step up and guide whats left of this army to vote for just one candidate or don't waste your time. Go pack your shit and get ready for the camps, because we will win nothing and do nothing. All that will be left is for us to bend over and kiss our ass good bye!

Over and out!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Even Cato had to give away free bread to get elected. IMHO Ron Paul is a closet Objectivist who's also a darn good politician and knows he needs the Christian vote. Paul never based any of his logic on the Bible - he used religion as seldomly as possible, and only for style rather than substance. And there's nothing wrong with that - Machiavellian atheists like me understand that lesser minds need religion, heck, we've invented it! But the Constitution party actually believes that rubbish, and that's what makes them so dangerous.

I hate to tell ya, but at least 2 of Ron's brothers are pastors. And with regard to Ron Paul and his beliefs, have you forgotten him mentioning the Christian Doctrine of Just War? Ron Paul is a Christian. That does not mean however, that he wants the church running the government. Our country was in fact founded on Christian principles; however, our Founders certainly did not want to recreate the same situation here that they had just left in Great Britain, with the church running everything. They wanted us all to have the freedom to practice the religion of our choice.