Since Ron Paul will not run in Nov. can we support Chuck Baldwin on the grassroots?

[tonyr1988]

Constitution Party now has more registered voters, and the number is increasing daily.

I think that, in some states, the name of their party is particularly (though not intentionally) misleading.

"The Nebraska Independent Party"
"American Independent Party" (in the most populous state in the country)
"Independent American Party"

I think a lot of people join thinking that it's the Independent label associated with no party. This is further shown by the fact that only 1/3 of the registered Constitutionalists actually voted for the Constitution party in 2004. The LP did horrible in 2004, but at least they had more votes than registered members.

 

[IRO-bot]

I think that, in some states, the name of their party is particularly (though not intentionally) misleading.

"The Nebraska Independent Party"
"American Independent Party" (in the most populous state in the country)
"Independent American Party"

I think a lot of people join thinking that it's the Independent label associated with no party. This is further shown by the fact that only 1/3 of the registered Constitutionalists actually voted for the Constitution party in 2004. The LP did horrible in 2004, but at least they had more votes than registered members.

QFT.

To be fair it shoudl the the CP. They can't get their true name on the ballot? Did they hijack other parties?!?!?

 

[Alex Libman]

Theocrat Baldwin is worse than McCain. Support Bob Barr or another (small-l) libertarian if one jumps into the race.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

I am a Christian and I like the Constitution Party. Problem, the Constitution Party's preamble , by making a statement about Jesus is going to turn people off because it makes the Constitution Party exclusive. You can not have a viable political party in the USA today that shuts out jews, muslims, buddhists, atheists etc...it just won't happen. So...I see the Revolution is going to be split between Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin. Oh well..I find that it's near 'bout impossible to change people's mind even with facts. I just don't understand the bitterness towards Bob Barr and the libertarians from the Baldwin supporters. It is starting to remind me of how the republicans acted when I tried to tell them about Ron Paul...bitter and angry. Too bad... the Revolution is splitting into 3 sections...those who are still fantacizing that somehow Ron Paul will get the nomination....the Bob Barr folks and the Chuck Baldwin folks. Everyone should vote for who they think is best...but why be bitter like the neo cons when someone else doesn't see it your way?

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Facts

I'm just going to throw some facts out there...not to make anyone angry..just facts.

How many times has Bob Barr been on Hannity and Colmes?
How many times has Chuck Baldwin been on Hannity and Colmes?

How many times has Bob Barr been on Cavuto?
How many times has Chuck Baldwin been on Cavuto?

How many times has Bob Barr been on Colbert?
Chuck Baldwin?

How many news articles have been written about Bob Barr? Chuck Baldwin?

Has the mainstream media mentioned Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party?

Bob Barr will be on the Glenn Beck show in a couple of days. Has Chuck Baldwin been invited to be on the Glenn Beck show?

How many times has Ron Paul or his campaign mentioned that the absence of visibility on the main stream media was instrumental in shooting down his chances?

Please don't be angry at me for pointing out the obvious. I'm not trying to piss anyone off. It's just something to consider.

 

[allyinoh]

it's already decided.

The Libertarian Party is the third largest party and will have an easier time with ballot access. Millions more people will have the chance to vote for Barr.

Baldwin is a great choice for those that can't get behind the Libertarian nomination but will not get anywhere near the level grass roots support, media coverage, or votes. I'm guessing 12+ states will not have Baldwin on the ballot.

Maybe it's already decided for you, but you shouldn't be throwing people unwillingly into your group.

I, nor will anyone I know, support Bob Barr. That's that. People can vote for whomever they wish, but you will have a hard time getting the majority of people to back Barr. And if people do back Barr for the simple fact that more people can vote for him, I'll have lost faith in the people in this movement for the simple fact that I don't think voting for someone just because they can get more votes is an intelligent thing to do.

I want to support someone who has the most similar platform to Ron Paul and that's Baldwin, not Barr.

 

[allyinoh]

I'm just going to throw some facts out there...not to make anyone angry..just facts.

How many times has Bob Barr been on Hannity and Colmes?
How many times has Chuck Baldwin been on Hannity and Colmes?

How many times has Bob Barr been on Cavuto?
How many times has Chuck Baldwin been on Cavuto?

How many times has Bob Barr been on Colbert?
Chuck Baldwin?

How many news articles have been written about Bob Barr? Chuck Baldwin?

Has the mainstream media mentioned Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party?

Bob Barr will be on the Glenn Beck show in a couple of days. Has Chuck Baldwin been invited to be on the Glenn Beck show?

How many times has Ron Paul or his campaign mentioned that the absence of visibility on the main stream media was instrumental in shooting down his chances?

Please don't be angry at me for pointing out the obvious. I'm not trying to piss anyone off. It's just something to consider.

My feelings on that is Ron Paul was blacked out by the media, so is Chuck Baldwin and they have basically the same message.

Bob Barr doesn't really have the same message or platform and he's more media friendly. I'm a little hesitant of people whom the media likes.

 

[countrykidz4freedom]

Please, lets just find a way to get Ron Paul to do write ins. I am a Christian also, but since Ron Paul opened my eyes to the truth, I can't really support Baldwin the way I have supported Ron Paul because although he is a lot like ROn Paul on his views, I don't feel he is as strict a constitutionalist, yet I can't support Barr, because my gut instinct tells me something is not right with the picture-I think he has close connections with people who are in CFR. I am not against him as an individual, just don't feel we can trust him, sorry to say. I heard he is former CIA, has worked for the ACLU, and voted for the Patriot Act. I just don't think zebras change their stripes. If my vote can't be counted for Ron Paul, I will have to vote for Chuck Baldwin, but in my heart, I still want Ron Paul, especially after meeting him in person, I know he is the real genuine thing, and there just isn't anybody else who is really like him.

 

[Perry]

I'm just going to throw some facts out there...not to make anyone angry..just facts.

How many times has Bob Barr been on Hannity and Colmes?
How many times has Chuck Baldwin been on Hannity and Colmes?

How many times has Bob Barr been on Cavuto?
How many times has Chuck Baldwin been on Cavuto?

How many times has Bob Barr been on Colbert?
Chuck Baldwin?

How many news articles have been written about Bob Barr? Chuck Baldwin?

Has the mainstream media mentioned Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party?

Bob Barr will be on the Glenn Beck show in a couple of days. Has Chuck Baldwin been invited to be on the Glenn Beck show?

How many times has Ron Paul or his campaign mentioned that the absence of visibility on the main stream media was instrumental in shooting down his chances?

Please don't be angry at me for pointing out the obvious. I'm not trying to piss anyone off. It's just something to consider.

So now we are going with the more well known candidate? Well then why don't we all just vote for McCain?

 

[ARealConservative]

Maybe it's already decided for you, but you shouldn't be throwing people unwillingly into your group.

I, nor will anyone I know, support Bob Barr. That's that. People can vote for whomever they wish, but you will have a hard time getting the majority of people to back Barr. And if people do back Barr for the simple fact that more people can vote for him, I'll have lost faith in the people in this movement for the simple fact that I don't think voting for someone just because they can get more votes is an intelligent thing to do.

I want to support someone who has the most similar platform to Ron Paul and that's Baldwin, not Barr.

Nobody can see into the future, but I will gladly wager that the Libertarian Party gets more votes in 2008.

I'm not going to vote for Baldwin, but I also won't spend time educating people on his statist views on social issues such as gambling or pornography.

 

[ARealConservative]

What by an arrogant bunch of crapola.

Other than in your personal self-delusions, it most certainly was NOT decided by a non-representative group of a slightly over 300 Libertarians.

I'm sorry - I mean that the Libertarian party will get far more votes, and more of the Ron Paul Republicans will cast their vote for him.

And no, it hasn't been decided - this is my educated guess. No reason for you to get so angry about it.

I found the thread title a bit presumptive as well, but I'm not going to make a federal case out of it.

 

[stevedasbach]

let me repeat: IF Ron isn't running in nov, we MUST scrap our differences and ALL agree on either baldwin OR barr, not split up our votes! stop doing a 'bull moose' teddy roosevelt or a ross perot on ourselves. No more splitting the patriot/liberty/Paul vote. Stop squabbling on side issues. both barr and baldwin would be infinitely better than obamamccainclintonlucifer!

I don't see it happening.

Rather than try to pressure everyone to pick one or the other, let's see how each candidate does. My guess is that one or the other will clearly be having a greater impact by the time the fall election rolls around. If we are going to try to unify, that's the time -- right after the Republican convention. Until then, support the candidate of your choice.

 

[stevedasbach]

Oops. Wrong on that. Libertarian party USED to be the largest. Constitution Party now has more registered voters, and the number is increasing daily.

And this is probably the last year for that rated "ballot access" as I think Barr/Root will not only split the party, but probably lose that status in a number of states. Millions more may have Barr's name on the ballot, but that doesn't mean they will vote for him.

The Constitution Party has always had more registered voters. This is because the American Independent Party in California is affiliated with the Constitution Party and they get lots of registrants who think they are registering "Independent". If you check the votes, both in California, and nationally, the LP consistantly outpolls the CP. If you compare state by state registration in states where the CP is on the ballot under their own name, the LP has more registrants. There are more LP elected officials than CP, and the FEC reports clearly show that the LP has more donors and raises more money.

Barr/Root will not split the party. A small handful will leave, but will be replaced by a far greater number of new members. The leadership and platform will remain solidly libertarian. Ballot access will increase, because Barr will get more votes than Badnarik got (by far) and ballot access in several states is determined by the presidential vote.

As long as Barr continues to deliver a strong Libertarian message (as he has been doing during and since the LP convention) this will be an outstanding election for the LP.

Steve Dasbach
LP member since 1979

 

[Rhys]

We're fucked.

We can't agree on anything.

In 2012 we'll be voting for 8 different candidates while the Republicrats walk back in to office.

We're walking the path of the LP who's proven time and time again, to be divisive and ineffective. Now our great hope is the LP. Damn.

 

[LibertyCzar]

We are more than capable of supporting Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr, even though each of us can only vote for one.

 

[MMolloy]

So now we are going with the more well known candidate? Well then why don't we all just vote for McCain?

LOL

The people who are trying to push Barr down our throats put up such weak arguements.

I can throw out innuendos too: Bob Barr worked for the CIA from 1970-1978... hmmm Didn't George H. W. Bush run the CIA from '76 to '77?

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

This is what I'm talking about. We present facts about the Libertarian Party...and people get angry , bitter and defensive. lol. It can not be denied that the LP will gain much more ground than the Constitution Party due to Bob Barr. I see it as an advantage to bring a viable third party into the ring. It's even better that the Libertarian Party's platform is pretty much Ron Paul. I would consider more Ron Paul supporters will be voting Libertarian Party..no one is shoving the LP down anyone's throats...vote for who you want to vote for. People just dig in their heels..this is what the republican's did when I tried to talk about Ron Paul...they were absolutely determined they would not vote for Ron Paul even if they agreed with him. It just turned into a pissin contest. So much for the Revolution.

 

[Alex Libman]

Theocrat!

 

[crazyfingers]

Theocrat!

Warmonger!

If you agree with Bob Barr that the surge "is working", then by all means give him your support.

 

[MMolloy]

This is what I'm talking about. We present facts about the Libertarian Party...and people get angry , bitter and defensive. lol. It can not be denied that the LP will gain much more ground than the Constitution Party due to Bob Barr. I see it as an advantage to bring a viable third party into the ring. It's even better that the Libertarian Party's platform is pretty much Ron Paul. I would consider more Ron Paul supporters will be voting Libertarian Party..no one is shoving the LP down anyone's throats...vote for who you want to vote for. People just dig in their heels..this is what the republican's did when I tried to talk about Ron Paul...they were absolutely determined they would not vote for Ron Paul even if they agreed with him. It just turned into a pissin contest. So much for the Revolution.

As you can easily see by searching my posts, I didn't start defending Chuck Baldwin until numerous attacks were made against him based almost entirely on innuendos or outright lies.

Let's not forget who was out there campaigning for Ron... Baldwin not Barr.