Sickening Hit Piece on Rand Paul Published in NY Times

[fr33]

Lee atwater is saying the republican party actively tried to appeal to racists.

And many of them still are. That doesn't change the fact that Abe Lincoln was a tyrant and killed more Americans than Hitler.

 

[fr33]

Can't wait, can ya? Just think, then you can get all smug and say, "I told ya so". Whoopee!

That's pretty disingenuous of you. Understanding how the machine works is not the same as supporting that machine.

But it won't surprise me that if Rand doesn't get enough votes you'd blame the few people here for that. We've already seen klamath blaming us for Christie's reelection.

 

[Petar]

Liberty Eagle has a point. Lots of people here just wanna complain about Rand Paul all day long, and then the MSM goes and does the exact same thing, just like they did to Ron. Are you all absolutely sure that you are not inadvertently carrying their water? I'm sure that some of the perpetually negative voices are in fact paid to do just that.

 

[fr33]

Liberty Eagle has a point. Lots of people here just wanna complain about Rand Paul all day long, and then the MSM goes and does the exact same thing, just like they did to Ron. Are you all absolutely sure that you are not inadvertently carrying their water? I'm sure that some of the perpetually negative voices are in fact paid to do just that.

"Lots of people here"

What percentage would you say are complaining about Rand?

What percentage would you say people like LE will blame if Rand loses?

I'd say about maybe 5% of this forum is against him. The ironic thing about it is he's getting criticized by the NYT for the exact opposite reasons the 5% here criticize him for.

 

[Petar]

"Lots of people here"

What percentage would you say are complaining about Rand?

What percentage would you say people like LE will blame if Rand loses?

I'd say about maybe 5% of this forum. The ironic thing about it is he's getting criticized for the exact opposite reasons the 5% here criticize him for.

Let's just say that it seems to be a very vocal minority... Not sure why anyone who purports to love liberty would wanna carry water for the MSM though...

 

[fr33]

Hell, Rand is getting criticized because he's supported by Birchers. LE please shut up about your cold war Bircher stuff until after the election. What's good for the 9/11 truther is good for the Bircher.

 

[Petar]

Hell, Rand is getting criticized because he's supported by Birchers. LE please shut up about your cold war Bircher stuff until after the election. What's good for the 9/11 truther is good for the Bircher.

Even the JBS doesn't approach the level of political toxicity that us truthers do...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Liberty Eagle has a point. Lots of people here just wanna complain about Rand Paul all day long, and then the MSM goes and does the exact same thing, just like they did to Ron. Are you all absolutely sure that you are not inadvertently carrying their water? I'm sure that some of the perpetually negative voices are in fact paid to do just that.

Rand people tell me not to believe what he's saying, that it's just window dressing and what he has to say to appeal to the GOP "mainstream" and he doesn't really mean, it's just very clever maneuvering.

Well, that's called pandering, and it doesn't work...you end up pissing off everybody.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Even the JBS doesn't approach the level of political toxicity that us truthers do...

That was an equal opportunity smear.

There was something for everybody.

C'mon, have you all forgotten 2007? 2011?

The system is gonna smear every last one of us, no exceptions and no free passes for playing nice.

 

[Petar]

Rand people tell me not to believe what he's saying, that it's just window dressing and what he has to say to appeal to the GOP "mainstream" and he doesn't really mean, it's just very clever maneuvering.

Well, that's called pandering, and it doesn't work...you end up pissing off everybody.

Thing is that Rand is having way more success than his dad by possibly being a panderer... maybe the stars simply aligned in such a way that his dad would pave the way by being way more pure, and his son would then ride that wave as a launching pad to effect a lot of real political change utilizing a bit of pragmatism.. that's the way that I generally look at it... don't forget, even the founders made some serious compromises... I mean they were willing to accept the ownership of other human beings FFS... I think that a second US Revolution (hopefully bloodless) with Rand at the helm is going to represent another quantum leap forward for humanity... it's not like there anything remotely close to being better to even try at this point...

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You start out in 1954 by saying, "******, ******, ******." By 1968, you can't say "******" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "******, ******."
[SUP]
-Lee Atwater


[/SUP]

Ah, here you are.

WHAT DID I TELL YOU? Didn't I tell you to work on your trolling skills? DIDN'T I?

You claimed you wanted to rebut some posts, but never followed up with 3 of your own threads. You also gave yourself away in your second post. And now here you are trying to escape the Guest Forum. You suck at--well, everything so far.

Now you get your government-support-me ass in gear and work on some trolling skills. Don't come back until you can do it right. Or we're going to have a problem. A bad one.

 

[fr33]

Thing is that Rand is having way more success than his dad by possibly being a panderer... maybe the stars simply aligned in such a way that his dad would pave the way by being way more pure, and his son would then ride that wave as a launching pad to effect a lot of real political change utilizing a bit of pragmatism.. that's the way that I generally look at it... don't forget, even the founders made some serious compromises... I mean they were willing to accept the ownership of other human beings FFS... I think that a second US Revolution (hopefully bloodless) with Rand at the helm is going to represent another quantum leap forward for humanity... it's not like there anything remotely close to being better to even try at this point...

And I wish him luck. But this hit piece won't be the last. Recognize it as fact. We'll be hearing about daddy's newsletters, his "teabagger" supporters, other many types of supporters, and the "neo-confederate" southern avenger that worked for him from all of the MSM many times in the future. It's not like we're going to crawl into a hole and hope it doesn't happen. It's going to happen regardless.

 

[Petar]

And I wish him luck. But this hit piece won't be the last. Recognize it as fact. We'll be hearing about daddy's newsletters, his "teabagger" supporters, other many types of supporters, and the "neo-confederate" southern avenger that worked for him from all of the MSM many times in the future. It's not like we're going to crawl into a hole and hope it doesn't happen. It's going to happen regardless.

Of course it will happen, I'm just saying that we should not help carry their water. The benefit to Rand's approach is that he may actually be able to overcome their slander because of his own pragmatism.

 

[Matt Collins]

If you have read most of the comments, most of the commentators hail from Massachusetts, California, Oregon and Washington. Very revealing I may add.

Which is why this article is irrelevant. It doesn't break any news, and it is only being read by people who would never for for Rand in a Republican primary anyway. The only people reading it are us who think it's idiotic, and flaming liberals in blue states that don't matter when it comes to electoral politics.

 

[T.hill]

Mr. Rothbard applauded the “right-wing populism” of David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan member who ran for governor of Louisiana, and ridiculed “multiculturalists,” lesbians and “the entire panoply of feminism, egalitarianism.” Some of these ideas found their way into Ron Paul newsletters that became an issue during his campaigns.

Several current Mises fellows and associates are regulars on the Ron Paul speaking circuit and affiliated with his home-schooling curriculum or foreign policy institute. Thomas E. Woods Jr. was a co-author of “Who Killed the Constitution?,” which denounced the Supreme Court decision desegregating schools, Brown v. Board of Education, as “a dizzying display of judicial imperialism.”

Walter Block, an economics professor at Loyola University in New Orleans who described slavery as “not so bad,” is also highly critical of the Civil Rights Act. “Woolworth’s had lunchroom counters, and no blacks were allowed,” he said in a telephone interview. “Did they have a right to do that? Yes, they did. No one is compelled to associate with people against their will.”

What's with them trying to indirectly tie him to white supremacy? Murray Rothbard and Walter Block were/are Jewish, doesn't really fit into the narrative they're trying to sell.

 

[dillo]

I take the hit pieces on Rand as a sign of fear. Which is a good thing, they wouldn't waste time with someone who wasn't a threat to their establishment.

 

[compromise]

Racism is the McCarthyism of the 21st century.

Joe McCarthy is a national hero.

 

[fr33]

Joe McCarthy is a national hero.

If alive today he'd be just like Peter King; promoting the NSA, Patriot Act, indefinite detainment, etc; for national security. I'd love for a McCarthyist to call me for testimonial. I'd tell him how worthless he is.

 

[Petar]

If alive today he'd be just like Peter King; promoting the NSA, Patriot Act, indefinite detainment, etc; for national security. I'd love for a McCarthyist to call me for testimonial. I'd tell him how worthless he is.

Here's a real hero of the era:

 

[LibertyEagle]

That's pretty disingenuous of you. Understanding how the machine works is not the same as supporting that machine.

But it won't surprise me that if Rand doesn't get enough votes you'd blame the few people here for that. We've already seen klamath blaming us for Christie's reelection.

To the extent that people here work against Rand, yes, they would be to blame. Right now, this site is most useful to the opposition. It is ripe with all kinds of interesting tidbits to use to harm liberty candidates. Let's just not fuel their engines; that's all I'm saying. Let us not be helpful to those trying to take down our guys.