Should you leave the USA before the collapse? Words of wisdom from someone who tried

[GeorgiaAvenger]

This is a very good article IMO. I demand EVERYONE read it

Good read.

 

[mtr1979]

Very informative article, thank you for posting.

 

[Blueskies]

This country is still the last stand of free people on earth.

 

[Marenco]

Good article by Mike Adams. There is still a few good states like ND,SD,NH,WY,MT....

 

[nobody's_hero]

Realization #4 is the one that makes the whole idea of moving away utterly pointless. In fact, he could have simply pointed that one out and saved himself a lot of typing.

#4: You can't hide from the global police 'state'.

 

[PierzStyx]

So....Who is John Galt?

 

[PierzStyx]

Realization #4 is the one that makes the whole idea of moving away utterly pointless. In fact, he could have simply pointed that one out and saved himself a lot of typing.

#4: You can't hide from the global police 'state'.

Eastasia, Eurasia, and Oceania have never been closer to reality.

 

[anaconda]

NH is the least corrupt state.

Somehow I don't find the above statement comforting...

 

[donnay]

Somehow I don't find the above statement comforting...

Ahhh...but if it weren't for the liberty minded people, the recount would have never happen. I know I was there. I think this time around they know we will we watching very intently. I do wish, however, we could have gotten those electron ballot counters out!!

 

[cjm]

Why is everything about South America?

You've never had a caipirinha, I take it?

For those that want to leave the US, South America has western culture and you can reach it with a small (ocean worthy) boat in a pinch without actually needing to cross an ocean. Spanish and Portuguese are also easier to learn for English speakers than Mandarin or Swahili. Europe is crowded and an ocean away. Asia is crowded and presents language and cultural challenges. Australia/NZ would be ok on population size and culture, but they're pretty far away. Africa, well, uprisings, pirates, etc.

I'm not saying that South America is better than our beloved NAFTA region. I'm simply noting that if one could not live here for whatever reason, South America would be a relatively easy transition.

Note this precedent.

 

[Keith and stuff]

New Hampshire requires a lot of energy for heating in the winter - could be a problem with a collapse.

NH is the 2nd most forested state behind only Maine. I know people that heat their house on nothing but wood. It is not hard to own several acres of wood or bargain for it in NH so that you will have free heat for life. We don't require AC in NH (I don't have it, neither does the state house.) Before home heating oil, people lived in NH. White people have lived in NH since 1623. Almost all of the mills in NH, ME and most of the ones in Canada were shut down because there just isn't demand for the wood. However, if demand picks up, the supply is there.

Most people have land and wells, some have livestock, a majority have weapons. We have a 'Jericho' attitude around here. It won't be easy trying to pillage us, I guarantee it.

That sounds like most of the towns in NH, except there is some level of actual liberty in NH

 

[Keith and stuff]

Somehow I don't find the above statement comforting...

They did a massive recount in NH. The results didn't change. Just because NH is the least corrupt, doesn't mean it is perfect. It is also true about NH being the most livable. Just because the poverty rate might be 2 to 3 times higher in some other states, it doesn't mean NH doesn't have any poverty, even though poverty is decreasing in NH. Just because NH is much freer than CA, it doesn't mean that NH is in anyway a paradise. You can ignore the facts, that is your prerogative

http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults-rep.htm
Ron Paul
before 18,308
after 18,346

 

[MsDoodahs]

Response to article by a blogger we follow:

"An online article about leaving the US before “the collapse” has generated considerable buzz on Ecuador forums, since the writer claims to have lived in our country for two years. The guy is a survivalist who lives in a trailer and drives a pickup so he won’t “stand out.” He hoards food and supplies, and practices suturing wounds on chicken meat.

The gist of his message is that the grass isn’t necessarily greener, which is a perfectly valid personal conclusion, but several of his judgments about Latin American culture, and that of Ecuador in particular, deserve rebuttal.

First we should frame the author’s point of reference. He begins by stating that “one of the most common questions I'm asked today from people who are aware of what's really going on is, ‘Should I leave the USA to get away from the coming police state?’.” It’s safe to surmise this cat hangs with a very different crowd from most of us.

There is no mention of why the author lived in Ecuador or why he left, but the tone of his writing indicates that for whatever reason perhaps things didn’t work out for him here. Often people in this position choose to find fault with their former residence rather than examine their own flawed motives for going there in the first place.

The title of the article promises “words of wisdom,” yet the author exhibits a shallow understanding of and condescending attitude towards the local culture. For example, he cites as an example of the lack of “long-term preparedness thinking” that the “idea of buying large quantities of facial tissue at a Costco or Sam's Club is completely foreign to most South American cultures (more so in rural areas than urban).” Maybe for starters that’s because we don’t have Costco and Sam’s Club.

He ridicules the locals for purchasing one prescription pill at a time, or buying a few screws for a project when it’s obvious they will need more. The minimum wage in Ecuador is $260 per month. In many cases a small quantity is all a person can afford at one time.

Driving through the countryside you see homes everywhere in various stages of completion. Is this due to lack of planning? Absolutely not. A member of the family is most likely employed in the US. Each time extra money is sent home work is done on the new house until funds run out. These homes sit unfinished, sometimes for years, while a husband is far away trying to create a better life for his family.

And what about the people still farming the land by hand instead of buying a John Deere tractor? The author correctly points out that one such machine can do the work of 12 men. He fails to appreciate that in a country of high unemployment this strategy puts 11 men out of work.

Our large families come under attack, again for lack of planning. The author forgets that in an agrarian society more children equate to more help growing the crops needed for survival. And while having multiple children is blamed on the “cultural devaluing of the female,” no mention is made that Catholicism, which eschews birth control, is practiced by around 98% of the population.

Ecuador is a beautiful country filled with kind and loving people. We have an abundance of fresh food and water. Perhaps we are not as prepared as the author would like for a “collapse.” Perhaps we don’t need to be.

Is our country perfect? Of course not. There are political, social, and financial problems to solve here just like most every other place. But I’m damned proud to call Ecuador my home, so don’t pick on my fellow citizens to justify your extremist position, mister."

 

[Hospitaller]

He never mentions conditions in Australia. We have some but less than the USA.

 

[Athan]

Agree that it is a sound analysis, and I was on board with it, until he settled on Austin.

South Texas for the win!

Since you all are Ron Paul supporters, its ok if I tell you this, but don't invite any democrats or neo-cons with you though or your fair game for white tail deer hunts.

Why South Texas you sexy Ron Paul supporter you?

Cold Winter? What's that when it gets to 32 degrees for a cumuliative total of (correction) 1 full week in a year?
Hablamos y entendemos English gringos!
Guns? Our friggin KIDS have guns! Hell our GUNS have guns!
Wild game?! The government even PAYS people to shoot all the wild hog here!
Skin color? Ok, so most people are brown (the sun will brown you fine like us too), but we've got everybody up in here ESPECIALLY winter Texans who don't want to go back home. Just be sure to like tacos and tamales. (I'm not joking about the tacos.)
You'll be welcomed if you do what Winter Texans do, they and bring cash (gold and silver in this scenario!) and buy our shit!
Located at the Southern Tejano State of Texas where San Antonio is the unoffical capital.
Yes! Technically, we are still part of America at the moment! The Constitution applies unless you run into a US gov. Federal agent. If you do, RUN!
WE HAVE WHATABURGER and H.E.B.!!! (I'm sure they will still be around in an economic collapse.)
We have a TON of fields for food. Seriously do you want some work? We'll pay you in Ruby Red Grapefruit.
People waste their ENTIRE DAY looking at our "rare" birds. Good god, they aren't rare if I see them every goddamned day!
Coastal fishing! South Padre Island! Even our damned canals have fishermen!

Regional negatives:
Don't come if your afraid of the Zetas, Gulf, Juarez, Sinaloa... or any other drug Cartel. You'll be afraid year 'round.
If you don't like jalapenos, get used to saying you don't want jalapenos in your food.
We salsa everything.
We have weird food. Some are winners like grilled corn ears, with mayonnase, chilli powder and butter... but not all are winners. I blame the Mexicans. They'll eat ANYTHING.
Norteno (mexican) music has ruined Tejano music. No more Selena, sorry.
Our roaming mariachi bands don't get paid ****.
We haggle the price of EVERYTHING down. Even your below minimum wage paycheck. That is why everything is so cheap. WE ARE CHEAP.
Don't drink the river water or resaca water. Just don't. Remeber that drug cartel thing? Yeah, that is there they dump the bodies.
We have MOSQUITOS!
Rain water? What is that? You mean when a hurricane comes around and throws water everywhere for a few days out of the year?
LOL wtf is a Mazarati?
WATCH OUT FOR FALLING BULLETS ON NEW YEARS! THE NEIGHBOR RAN OUT OF FIREWORKS!!!
To many democrats and welfare dependents/thieves.

 

[Aden]

My family is getting passports this month. You all have fun staying in 1930s Germany. If Paul doesn't win, we are outa here. Got the education and occupations to live anywhere we want, and are currently in contact with people in two different countries about employment opportunities.

 

[foadi]

leaving the US might be a bad idea for douchey survivalists, but for most people living in other countries is vastly more enjoyable.