Should We Support Widespread Ads Exposing McCain As a Known and Admitted Adulterer?

[Mark]

The Vietnam Vets Against McCain are working on some ads. That is what I have chosen to support.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

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Right, and an easier URL to use to get to their site is: AgainstMcCain.com


But the best counterattacks use more than one front, they do their thing, and we can do ours.


It's not dishonest to promote truth, in fact, it's our duty.


This issue is no different than any other character issue, and the voters should be shown the truth about the candidates.

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[freelance]

Why don't we keep our hands clean and let affinity groups and outside PACs do the dirty work? That's a win/win.

 

[jason43]

Why don't we keep our hands clean and let affinity groups and outside PACs do the dirty work? That's a win/win.

bingo.

we are trying to win the party over, not get blamed for its defeat. They need to blame their policies, not us trashing mccain from within the party we are trying to be a part of/turn around.

 

[acptulsa]

McCain's indiscretions with his first wife are well known and largely excused as a result of post-traumatic stress from his POW experience.

More important than focusing on the adultery angle is exposing him as a consumate opportunist and highlighting who his advisors are IMO.

No doubt he'll blame it all on PTSD. What part of the ADA says we have to elect a moron with post-traumatic stress?

 

[Ladiliberty]

I don't see a problem with anyone personally supporting it... But to do anything of this nature in concert with Ron Paul is WRONG! I personally slam mac every chance I get in news media forums commentary etc...But never in concert with the RP campaign...I slam onbama too... If the media won't spread the facts then the people need to!

 

[Mark]

Why don't we keep our hands clean and let affinity groups and outside PACs do the dirty work? That's a win/win.

How can we be sure other groups will let people know about it?

We don't have time to "wait and see" if anyone else picks up the ball and runs with it.

There are grassroots PACS ready to go that will address other issues as well to stay in compliance with FEC regs,
it isn't just about this issue, but others as well.

It's just that this issue "iron" is red hot right now, as hot as it will get, and this opportunity will only knock once.

We can stay "clean" by not being hateful and vindictive, and just speaking truth.

In fact, that's the only angle I would support.

Not personal attacks, "just the facts Ma'am" (or Sir)

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[Mark]

I don't see a problem with anyone personally supporting it... But to do anything of this nature in concert with Ron Paul is WRONG! I personally slam mac every chance I get in news media forums commentary etc...But never in concert with the RP campaign...I slam obama too... If the media won't spread the facts then the people need to!

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Of course, that's agreed upon by all I would think. It's NOT about connecting Ron in any way, it's about letting voters know the truth about McCain.


The Truth sometimes hurts, and if McCain's behavior hurts his campaign,

then he should have thought about that before he cheated on a crippled wife with a young rich heiress.


It shows a lot about his judgment.

And do we want someone with such poor judgment anywhere near the nuclear button?
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[Mark]

No doubt he'll blame it all on PTSD. What part of the ADA says we have to elect a moron with post-traumatic stress?

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Which leads directly to his ability to be in control of the nuclear button as president.

There are laws being proposed to take the guns away from vets with PTSD.

It's a slam dunk to roll that into an argument that McCain having PTSD is a valid reason
to keep him FAR away from the ability to use nuclear weapons.

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[jason43]

Like it has been said above, feel free to do as you wish, just leave Ron Paul's (and the rest of the movements) name out of it.

I just don't want those of us who disagree with those tactics to be associated with them, Ron Paul included. It makes more bad press for us.

 

[Mani]

Not only did he cheat on his crippled wife, then divorce her and re-marry his mistress within 60 days; his mistress's dad was wealthy and had political connections.

Finally the "in" John was looking for to get into politics. Good 'ol dad in law now gave him the political and financial connections to grab a senate seat he was so desperately looking for. What a guy that McCain, way to pick your mistress you conniving bastard.

 

[Akus]

yes

 

[Mark]

Not only did he cheat on his crippled wife, then divorce her and re-marry his mistress within 60 days; his mistress's dad was wealthy and had political connections.

Finally the "in" John was looking for to get into politics. Good 'ol dad in law now gave him the political and financial connections to grab a senate seat he was so desperately looking for. What a guy that McCain, way to pick your mistress you conniving bastard.

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And the Vietnam Vets point out that McCain didn't accept the early release he was offered as a POW
because it would have ruined any chance he had as a politician.

McCain's been calculating from the get-go about the Presidency, he just can't keep his pants on when it comes to women.
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[DFF]

Yes and Yes.

Aside from coming sixth to last in his Naval class, crashing four jets (well three; one blew up 'accidentally' on an aircraft carrier killing over a 100 men) the schmuck has been an adulterer his entire life.

If you wanna win in politics, you've gotta get your hands dirty.

So again- Yes and Yes.

 

[davidkachel]

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McCain has admitted cheating on his first wife, who is a crippled, with a rich young heiress.

Should we do an ad campaign making sure voters know this?

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No. We are better than this, or at least we should be. What goes on in someone's bedroom, as long as it does not involve a child or an unwilling participant (or cruelty to animals) is no one's business.

If we get down in the muck with the rest of the pigs, then we are no better than they, and have no reason to be here.

 

[Mark]

McCain's Divorce

Before John McCain's tour of duty in Vietnam, he married Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia.

On his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam in 1967, McCain was shot down and captured.While he was imprisoned,

Carol was in an auto wreck (1969), thrown through her car's windshield and left seriously injured.

Despite her injures, she refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition,

fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.

When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war,

he found his wife was a different person.

The accident "left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight."

Yearning to make the grade of admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C.
and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again.

The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.

In his book, The Nightingale's Song, Robert Timberg chronicled McCain's post-Vietnam military assignments

and some of his "adulterous" behavior leading to his divorce from Carol and marriage to Cindy Hensley.

Timberg wrote, "in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the
executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality.

A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments.

The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism,

a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather [both were Navy admirals],

since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path."

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange
frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs."

Such behavior was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates..

Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro,

John started carousing and running around with women.

To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates

At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona, impossible not to take note of."

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain
and transferred him from his command position "to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy's Senate liaison office.

It wasn't long before the "fun loving and irreverent" McCain had turned the liaison office into
a "late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services
and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind."

In 1979 at a military reception in Honolulu, McCain met Cindy Hensley,

an attractive 25-year-old woman from a very wealthy politically-connected Arizona family.

Cindy's father, Jim, founded the Hensley and Company, the nation's third-largest Anheuser-Busch distributor.

McCain described their first meeting,

"She was lovely, intelligent and charming, 17 years my junior but poised and confident.

I monopolized her attention the entire time, taking care to prevent anyone else from intruding on our conversation.

When it came time to leave the party, I persuaded her to join me for drinks at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel.

By the evening's end, I was in love."


While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy.

He married Cindy in May 1980 -- just a month after dumping Carol and securing a divorce.

The newlyweds honeymooned in Hawaii.

McCain followed his young, millionairess wife back to Arizona where her father helped catapult McCain into politics,

Today, Cindy Hensley McCain is chairwoman of Hensley's board of directors.

Hensley and Company financial reports show assets worth a minimum of $28 million for the McCains.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm

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[Mark]

No. We are better than this, or at least we should be. What goes on in someone's bedroom, as long as it does not involve a child or an unwilling participant (or cruelty to animals) is no one's business.

If we get down in the muck with the rest of the pigs, then we are no better than they, and have no reason to be here.

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Apparently we disagree that the Truth is the most important thing.

It's not "muck" to educate voters on the candidates.

McCain is what he is, and if the Truth is damaging to him, the people voting deserve to know it.

No one's saying to personally attack him, but just to let the voters know the TRUTH about him.

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[Mani]

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Apparently we disagree that the Truth is the most important thing.

It's not "muck" to educate voters on the candidates.

McCain is what he is, and if the Truth is damaging to him, the people voting deserve to know it.

No one's saying to personally attack him, but just to let the voters know the TRUTH about him.

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It's not about the affair, as much as it is to see his motives. The guy is a dirty sneaky bastard, and when you see his personal life it comes through.

 

[Mark]

It's not about the affair, as much as it is to see his motives.

The guy is a dirty sneaky bastard, and when you see his personal life it comes through.

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You know how someone moves their head up and down to indicate "yes"?

A reporter asked him if he had an affair with the lobbyist, and his words said no, but his head moved "yes".

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[amy31416]

Absolutely we should support getting the truth out about a candidate, conservatives went nuts on Bill Clinton for getting a blow job and impeached him. . .now, there's a "conservative" candidate who cheated on his first wife many, many times with prostitutes and had a mistress.

Then he marries the mistress and has likely cheated on her. If it was that important to Republicans when it was Clinton, it should be even more important when it's their own candidate.

They wouldn't want to be hypocrites, would they?

 

[davidkachel]

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Apparently we disagree that the Truth is the most important thing.

It's not "muck" to educate voters on the candidates.

McCain is what he is, and if the Truth is damaging to him, the people voting deserve to know it.

No one's saying to personally attack him, but just to let the voters know the TRUTH about him.

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And how exactly is it that we acquired this monopoly on "the TRUTH"?
You are rationalizing reprehensible behavior. That is exactly how our country got into its current mess... public officials rationalizing their betrayal of the public trust.