Should we Deport Her? College student never "broke the law" until now.

[Enforcer]

Gumball demonstrations show what happens IF WE ACCOMMODATED THEM, which we don't, but people continue to demand that we do, or demand that we don't stop them from coming. Luckily we do have some cap on spending and credit, despite what people believe about the treasury and federal reserve printing money infinitely. Everytime we come down on immigrants, unemployment increases....why ? because we didn't get rid of the root of the problem which is wage limits. I'm all for lowering wages to make immigrants less incentivized to come and employers less likely to hire them.

"IF WE ACCOMMODATED THEM"??? Under what rock did they find you? Surely you are not that stupid. Tell me you aren't that stupid. Tell me you did not mean that. I've debated the most ignorant people in the United States. That one took the cake.

Between 1986 and 2001 the United States granted SEVEN - SEVEN can you read this SEVEN AMNESTIES TO ALLOW THOSE WITHOUT PAPERS TO BECOME CITIZENS.

Look man, if you want a job commensurate with your education, you can make $10 an hour here in Georgia.



I don't want it applied across all people, but I do want it consistently applied by everywhere, everyone such that law breakers don't slip through loops and cracks.

The situation is simple: U.S. law demands that people come here "properly," but we fail to provide the "proper" mechanism that addresses the issue. Nobody is really slipping through any cracks. Create a Guest Worker program... problem solved.


Wrong, Ron Paul is still the best candidate for me because he is honest, consistent and pro-capitalist.

Ron Paul also disagrees with you on immigration.

 

[Enforcer]

Tom Woods disagrees with you.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21626

We're not talking about Tom Woods. We're talking about an incompetent poseur going by the handle of onlyrp



Ok, let me see if I understand you. You hate immigrants just like me, you just don't want to call yourself a Nazi and fear that the government will turn on you for what you wanted done to them, but if you could get away with violating their rights, you'd do it?

I don't hate immigrants. I'm nothing like you. In my lifetime, the government forced employers to hire blacks, women, etc. over white males. In my fifteen minutes of fame, when the news media asked me, I told them I wanted the employer to be able to hire whomever they wanted. In addition, I was all about that backward ass math that said if we gave amnesty to foreigners and required employers to hire them, we would not have any jobs.

When they got rid of the quota system, the other fears were disproven.



I agree, and I am aware that there's a price to pay for decisions you make. The other side of the coin is that giving people freedom puts myself at risk while forcing me to take responsibility to watch my back.

You, me ... the government - we don't give anyone freedom. That is where you are all screwed up and not capable of defending a position as a Ron Paul supporter. Ron Paul would denounce you to your face if he read your posts.

 

[onlyrp]

Between 1986 and 2001 the United States granted SEVEN - SEVEN can you read this SEVEN AMNESTIES TO ALLOW THOSE WITHOUT PAPERS TO BECOME CITIZENS.

and each time it lead to less immigrants, better wages, lower crime and better quality of life for Americans, right?

Which one of these amnesties were overtly open border as gumball scenarios premise?

 

[onlyrp]

We're not talking about Tom Woods. We're talking about an incompetent poseur going by the handle of onlyrp

No, we're talking about somebody cherry picking what founding father to quote.

 

[dannno]

I think this is the longest thread I ever created.

 

[Enforcer]

No, we're talking about somebody cherry picking what founding father to quote.

You make an accusation and have not given one single example. IF you claim that a quote or a fact is cherry picked, it is up to you to prove it. Making a silly ass allegation is not adding any proof to your case. It's making you look stupid. If I have to take Tom Woods apart for you, it would also make you the laziest person on this forum.

 

[Enforcer]

I think this is the longest thread I ever created.

Let's hope it was the most educational. Let the chick stay. She and I can get married and have a few kids just to whizz onlyrp off.

 

[Enforcer]

and each time it lead to less immigrants, better wages, lower crime and better quality of life for Americans, right?

Which one of these amnesties were overtly open border as gumball scenarios premise?

All of them since we did nothing to reform the immigration laws after making those people citizens.

 

[Voluntary Man]

then why wasn't stare decisis suffice , that we needed 3 new amendments? Or, can we get rid of the 3 amendments and still have what we have?

Through the Amendment process anything is possible.

 

[Enforcer]

At this stage, I don't know where to go with onlyrp. We have sufficiently exposed this guy as a fraud. The Ron Paul Revolution is about Liberty and the promotion of constitutional principles.

onlyrp has stated he does not believe in unalienable Rights. That subject alone was the reason for the Declaration of Independence, the War for Independence, the creation of the Constitution AND the Bill of Rights.

Not wanting to extend Rights to others, onlyrp only recognizes a Government / God. I guess he and I will always disagree. Even the sources he brings to the table disagree with him. At first, I figured that all the anti - immigrants were silent because they agreed with onlyrp. Maybe it's because they are embarrassed to be associated with a man that has never read any American history, law or the positions of major candidates and parties... not to mention the candidates that onlyrp would support.

At least now, most of you have a more clear and concise picture of what the fight is all about. If we do not support the Rights of others, we lose any legal or moral Right to defend our own Liberties.

"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
James Madison

"It is not for glory or riches or honours that we fight, but only for liberty, which no good man will consent to lose but with his life." -- The Declaration of Arbroath, a reply to the Papal Bulls excommunicating Robert Bruce for recapturing Berwick, as sent to Pope John XXII on behalf of the community of the realm of Scotland, 1320 A.D.

"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur

 

[MelissaWV]

I think this is the longest thread I ever created.

It's getting serious. There is bolding AND color.

 

[onlyrp]

You make an accusation and have not given one single example. IF you claim that a quote or a fact is cherry picked, it is up to you to prove it. Making a silly ass allegation is not adding any proof to your case. It's making you look stupid. If I have to take Tom Woods apart for you, it would also make you the laziest person on this forum.

The fact I can find another person who cherry picked his facts to come to a different conclusion than you, is proof you didn't pick his facts, and that makes you a cherry picker.

 

[onlyrp]

All of them since we did nothing to reform the immigration laws after making those people citizens.

No, because we didn't say "this applies to everybody then, now and future. Only people who've already come. And correct me if I'm wrong, but every time we say "this won't happen again", why? Because we fear saying "this will happen again" would encourage gumballing?

 

[onlyrp]

If we do not support the Rights of others, we lose any legal or moral Right to defend our own Liberties.

That's like saying if you are not a communist who believes in egalitarianism, you lose your right to defend your own property. I don't support the rights of people who are not citizens, or else I'd favor intervention on tyrannical nations. I make no apology for being biased against non-citizens or foreigners who disrespect our laws. I don't believe in unalienable rights, I never lied about it, so I don't know what's fraud of me that you accuse.

 

[Enforcer]

The fact I can find another person who cherry picked his facts to come to a different conclusion than you, is proof you didn't pick his facts, and that makes you a cherry picker.

I almost want to overlook your ignorance and stupidity, but if you believe that B.S. you are not qualified to debate this subject any longer.

If you're going to make an accusation, back it up... one way or another, back it up. You don't have a fact at your disposal.

I've learned one thing from arguing with this idiot. Never argue with an idiot like onlyrp. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

 

[Enforcer]

That's like saying if you are not a communist who believes in egalitarianism, you lose your right to defend your own property. I don't support the rights of people who are not citizens, or else I'd favor intervention on tyrannical nations. I make no apology for being biased against non-citizens or foreigners who disrespect our laws. I don't believe in unalienable rights, I never lied about it, so I don't know what's fraud of me that you accuse.

Since communists do not believe in property rights, then they cannot, morally at least, claim a Right they do not believe in. I may have to fight for him; however if a communist fights for property rights, he would be a hypocrite.

 

[Enforcer]

It's getting serious. There is bolding AND color.

It's more entertaining than you.

 

[onlyrp]

Since communists do not believe in property rights, then they cannot, morally at least, claim a Right they do not believe in. I may have to fight for him; however if a communist fights for property rights, he would be a hypocrite.

Let me rephrase, if you don't believe everybody is entitled to a piece of land and guaranteed supply of food for life, you lose your right to claim you have it. How's that?

 

[onlyrp]

I almost want to overlook your ignorance and stupidity, but if you believe that B.S. you are not qualified to debate this subject any longer.

If you're going to make an accusation, back it up... one way or another, back it up. You don't have a fact at your disposal.

I've learned one thing from arguing with this idiot. Never argue with an idiot like onlyrp. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

I'm not the one who claims DoI is a law, and then quotes Supreme Court opinion saying that it's an ideal and we needed to pass 3 amendments to conform to it, because the Constitution was insufficient and DoI on its own wasn't enforceable.

 

[MelissaWV]

It's more entertaining than you.

Of course. Let me know when you two resolve this.