@Enforcer
As usual, you didn't address what I've said & instead imputed a bunch of things on me, which I've never said & then proceeded to destroy the straw man argument you've created
Again, "God" or "nature" or "creator" does NOT give or protect "rights", your version of "rights" will only be honored if people around you believe in the same version of "rights"; while if people around you believe in socialism & therefore have a different version of "rights" &/or they believe it's ok for government to steal then your version of "rights" is irrelevant & will be violated anyway
Let's say all the Paul-supporters that believe in right to life, liberty & property form a country, then such a country will be pro-liberty & life, liberty & property of people will be respected, government therefore will only be funded through voluntary means & so on
BUT if such a country allows an influx of people who DON'T believe in right to life, liberty & property then over time, it will necessarily be diluted of it's pro-liberty spirit & turn into a socialist tyranny that most countries turn into because most people are by nature socialist, & that's why liberty, capitalism are such "fringe" ideas; that's why it's essential for any free-society to create & sustain pro-liberty culture by limiting the influx of people who aren't pro-liberty
Read my post again :
I would admonish
YOU to read MY post again as well. When you started that "straw man" argument, it shows that you are relying on a cop - out to face the
facts.
Having already stipulated that a nation built from foreigners will ultimately end in a socialist based country. Would you mind telling me what in God's name
AGREEING with you on that point has to do with any fricking "
straw man" argument?????
The premise that all of you anti - immigrants operate from is that
anyone that enters the United States must ultimately become a citizen. On that point, you are deaf, dumb, blind and completely stupid. Your side likens the entire issue to where the United States is a "
house." If anyone enters this house without
YOUR permission, they are invaders - or like a person that breaks into your house. Let's quit this screwing around and get down to brass tacks, Paul or Nothing II:
You can't stand the thought that someone else lives in that "house" we call the United States and they invite people that you don't like. So, by some magical standard, YOUR view must be respected or you will resort to the Council on Foreign Relations dribble as espoused by Glenn Beck, Sean Vanity (Hannity), Michael Weiner (aka Savage), etc. etc. You spew that silly shit about
straw men, invaders, "illegal aliens", "ad hominem attacks," etc., etc. but, at the end of the day you cannot cite anything from the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence save of racist overtones to support your position... BTW, I have also admitted to the strengths of your references to racist arguments there as well. So, what's your real issue?
You may claim that you did not want the so - called "
Patriot Act," National ID / REAL ID Act, warrant less searches, the assault on innocent until proven guilty, the National Defense Authorization Act, etc. but wake up. Wake the HELL UP. It was politicians that agree with
YOUR position that introduced that very legislation to do what you want done. The reality is, as long as the Fourteenth Amendment stands, you cannot single out other races and cultures for some special law since
all persons are due the
equal protection of the laws. What part of that do you not understand????? EVERYTHING you claim you demand from the politicians IS addressed in the laws mentioned above.
Furthermore, you cannot name me one, single, solitary politician at the federal level that agrees with you... or what you claim to believe in. You cannot name a single one.
ALL of the politicians that spew the same shit you do have consistently voted against the Constitution of the United States. They are the ones that drafted and introduced every single bill I've complained about throughout the last fifty posts I've done on this thread.
Now then, we come back to the realities of our situation:
Quite frankly, I don't give a shit about whether or not God actually gives me my rights or not. I believe in it. That's all that matters at that level. Our country was built on that premise. Our country was also built on the premise that the people have the Right to be the final arbiters of what the law is, even if it took outright rebellion to enforce it. I don't understand what you fail to comprehend about that. Rights come from our Creator (our God, whomever we deem that to be.) If the government disagrees, then it comes down to whether the people choose to become subservient to the almighty state
OR they invoke their Rights and refuse unconstitutional laws. If you choose to believe that only men can choose to decide what is right or wrong, by whose standards is the problem you're stuck with. You blame capitalism and then talk to me about "
straw men" arguments. You either don't know what you're talking about OR you cannot read. Screw capitalism. Let's talk about a free market economy where a businessman can conduct his business the way he sees fit. Are you against that? If so, why are you on a Ron Paul site, trying to use a board name linking you with a cause related to a free market economy?
I want to end the Abbott and Costello routine with you today. So, let's go back to the
"house" analogy. At your house in real life, does every guest have a requirement to become part of your family to visit? If you let the plumber in to fix the plumbing, is he then required to become your sister or daughter's husband? Is THAT the way you conduct your household?
Look, it is this simple:
Every person was born with the Right to
Life,
Liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness. That is a foundational principle upon which this nation was built. The anti - immigrant lobby cannot honestly argue that meant "
citizens" as there were no citizens and it would be more than a decade before we had a Constitution. Now, had you bothered to read the many posts I've done here... and the links, the
ONLY basis upon which you can disagree with me is that the early court decisions stated that the citizenry was made up of whites. Your only argument there is predicated upon racism... another point that I have admitted to. So, where is your fricking problem now????
When are you going to get it through your head that a
GUEST in your country cannot do the things you claim? If I invite you into my home, you cannot sell it out from under me. The title is in my name. If you decide to contract for a re-modeler to come in and change things, I can send that person packing at no cost or obligation to me. Ditto for the guests that come into your country.
CITIZENSHIP IS A PRIVILEGE. UNALIENABLE RIGHTS ARE BESTOWED UPON US AT BIRTH AND BY LAW, WE ARE NOT BEHOLDEN TO GOVERNMENT FOR THE RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Where did you take a left turn? What about that can you not understand? Guests that are not citizens cannot change your form of government. Guests have no voting privileges. They cannot take your tax money for entitlements. That is illegal.
Our country as founded on the principle that our Rights came from a Creator. That is what the founding fathers believed. That is what I believe. In order to defend that position, according to the declaratory charter of man's Rights:
"
That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
As long as I believe that; as long as a segment of society believes that, one of two things can happen:
1) The government will rise against the people and reduce them to slavery or
2) Patriots will rise up, rebel and reclaim the Rights they claim to believe in.
I don't know what world you live in, but that is the way it works.
