Should we Deport Her? College student never "broke the law" until now.

[The Binghamton Patriot]

I did. You didn't answer the question.

Don't turn around and say your parents did it the right way. If they were immigrants, they were invaders. What are you gonna pretend it's all about whether it's legal or not?

Also, when you list "culture, lifestyle, social habits, faith, language" you're making it about race. None of those things are any of the federal government's business.

OK erowe stop with the racism and the demagoguery. I will state once again that in order to preserve liberty, the natural social and lifestyle constraints imposed upon a free society by its' own citizens must be in place in order to preserve the laws which allow us to exercise liberty. These constraints are not imposed by the government, but are the responsibility of parents, churches, friends, and voluntary associations; Our goal in life is to strive for excellence in virtue, but without proper constraints imposed on us on an individual level, posterity will lack the mechanism in order to preserve these foundational principles. Example: if parents do not impose proper bedtimes and study times for their children, and allow them to skip school, do drugs, and dress like a barn animal, how do you expect these children to be worthy of raising children that will be self sufficient and worthy of the mantle of liberty? You don't. This is where culture comes in. The preservation of our CULTURE (i.e. borders language, faith, blood, soil, and history) is essential to guaranteeing that posterity will have the resources from which to draw in the event that a petty dictator comes to power and attempts to revise history. Peaceful immigration is amazing, and I'm all for it, but when you have people who come here without the authority of the government to whom you have vested your authority (the duty to whom it belongs to secure the boundaries governing a society which you on this forum have supposedly attempted to preserve), you have a problem. When large numbers of people come here en masse uninvited and without proper permission granted by the collective organization of laws known as government, they are INVADING. When you encroach on someone's property and trespass, you are violating property rights. The same thing can be said here. Those of a foreign nation who come here, arrive with the expectation that they can do whatever they want, and import their culture here without any repercussions. I say, get out. You are a hypocrite of the highest order, someone who doesn't seek to impose their culture or brand of government on a small middle eastern country, but will allow migrants of the THIRD WORLD to come here with disease, low skills, and no desire to assimilate into our advanced society.

 

[erowe1]

What part of illegal are you having a problem comprehending ?

The part about how doing something illegal = invasion.

So she broke a law that was the equivalent of a traffic infraction. Fine her accordingly and be done with it. The latitude and longitude she happens to reside is no more the federal government's business than mine or yours are.

 

[No Free Beer]

I did. You didn't answer the question.

Don't turn around and say your parents did it the right way. If they were immigrants, they were invaders. What are you gonna pretend it's all about whether it's legal or not?

Also, when you list "culture, lifestyle, social habits, faith, language" you're making it about race. None of those things are any of the federal government's business.

I feel either you don't get what we are discussing, or you and I are approaching this topic from different angles.

Are you talking specifically about the subject of this young lady? If so, I have stated that she did not enter this country illegally. However, she did over stay her visa. Therefore, she should be deported. That's how it works with everyone, no need to make any exceptions because she could be considered, "brown."

I am talking in general terms. We have laws. We are a nation. A nation is enforced by borders. The U.S. Constitution specifically gives authority to the federal government, allowing them to enforce our laws on the border. Why? Because it is also a national security issue. The federal government has the authority to follow who comes in and out of this country. Again, it is a national security issue. To put it differently, it is a "defense" issue. When someone follows our rules and would like to visit the US or reside here, they are okay. Why? Because those are the rules of our federal government, supported by the constitution. My parents followed the rules and came here legally, based on US law. You are not making the distinction between immigration v illegal immigration v defense. For you to imply that I am a racist simply because I want to enforce our laws and borders is quite ridiculous. I don't care where the illegals come from, they are invaders and breaking our laws and should be treated as such. If a foreign country puts troops on our soil, we have a right as a country to protect ourselves. If an individual does the very same thing, we should apply the same strategy. This is why you all are hypocrites.

About culture, language, soil, etc. , you are right. The government doesn't have the authority to define what our culture should be like. But, are you going to ignore the facts that almost all the countries in the world have their own culture? Are you saying there isn't an American culture? What does this have anything to do with our government enforcing our borders? I don't get your argument?

I feel as though you are trying to set up a trap of some sort, but don't seem to understand where you are going with this.

We have laws. We are a nation. We have borders. The Constitution authorizes our government to protect them from ANY invader. Period.

do you understand?

Either way, I have a bunch of studying to do. I will check back before UNC vs Duke tonight...

 

[erowe1]

OK erowe stop with the racism and the demagoguery. I will state once again that in order to preserve liberty, the natural social and lifestyle constraints imposed upon a free society by its' own citizens must be in place in order to preserve the laws which allow us to exercise liberty. These constraints are not imposed by the government, but are the responsibility of parents, churches, friends, and voluntary associations; Our goal in life is to strive for excellence in virtue, but without proper constraints imposed on us on an individual level, posterity will lack the mechanism in order to preserve these foundational principles. Example: if parents do not impose proper bedtimes and study times for their children, and allow them to skip school, do drugs, and dress like a barn animal, how do you expect these children to be worthy of raising children that will be self sufficient and worthy of the mantle of liberty? You don't. This is where culture comes in. The preservation of our CULTURE (i.e. borders language, faith, blood, soil, and history) is essential to guaranteeing that posterity will have the resources from which to draw in the event that a petty dictator comes to power and attempts to revise history. Peaceful immigration is amazing, and I'm all for it, but when you have people who come here without the authority of the government to whom you have vested your authority (the duty to whom it belongs to secure the boundaries governing a society which you on this forum have supposedly attempted to preserve), you have a problem. When large numbers of people come here en masse uninvited and without proper permission granted by the collective organization of laws known as government, they are INVADING. When you encroach on someone's property and trespass, you are violating property rights. The same thing can be said here. Those of a foreign nation who come here, arrive with the expectation that they can do whatever they want, and import their culture here without any repercussions. I say, get out. You are a hypocrite of the highest order, someone who doesn't seek to impose their culture or brand of government on a small middle eastern country, but will allow migrants of the THIRD WORLD to come here with disease, low skills, and no desire to assimilate into our advanced society.

Free citizens do not have the right to impose lifestyle constraints on other free citizens.

Why should I care what skills somebody has if they come to some place near me? Does their lack of skill affect me somehow?

And when you keep bringing up words like "culture" and "assimilate" you are making it about race.

And your whole post is confusing. What's "these constraints are not imposed by the government" mean? We're talking about deporting someone. That's the government.

 

[The Binghamton Patriot]

The part about how doing something illegal = invasion.

So she broke a law that was the equivalent of a traffic infraction. Fine her accordingly and be done with it. The latitude and longitude she happens to reside is no more the federal government's business than mine or yours are.

you are refusing to recognize that the latitude and longitude in which this illegal lives, is under the jurisdiction of a country to which she is not a legal citizen. She may have no fault in this, and the fault lies entirely with the people that brought her here at birth. She was not born here. IF she were born here, she would be a citizen, which tells me she was smuggled in or came here illegally, or overstayed her visa. If a child grows up with a brain disorder because one of the parents dropped he/she on their head at a young age, does this alleviate the responsibility that the parent has for developing another human life? The parents are entirely responsible for this, and this girl has no one to blame but the people who smuggled her in.

 

[No Free Beer]

He never does.

hahaha you never answered bing's statement...you hypocrite.

 

[erowe1]

Are you talking specifically about the subject of this young lady? If so, I have stated that she did not enter this country illegally. However, she did over stay her visa. Therefore, she should be deported. That's how it works with everyone, no need to make any exceptions because she could be considered, "brown."

The question of the thread is not about how it does work but how it should work. Should we or should we not deport people like that? The correct answer is no.

 

[The Binghamton Patriot]

Free citizens do not have the right to impose lifestyle constraints on other free citizens.

Why should I care what skills somebody has if they come to some place near me? Does their lack of skill affect me somehow?

And when you keep bringing up words like "culture" and "assimilate" you are making it about race.

And your whole post is confusing. What's "these constraints are not imposed by the government" mean? We're talking about deporting someone. That's the government.

YES, free citizens, such as parents, have the moral responsibility to raise children that are going to be inheriting the responsibility of preserving liberty, responsibility, and free markets. Parents have the DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO provide guidance, constraints, and thresholds in which their children live and operate. Stop with the over generalizations and race baiting. Race is not tied to culture, as anyone can come here, learn english, read american newspapers, play american sports, and assimilate into our society. Culture involves becoming an advanced communicator in english, and learning how to spread ideas through this mechanism. You're really embarrassing yourself.

 

[erowe1]

you are refusing to recognize that the latitude and longitude in which this illegal lives, is under the jurisdiction of a country to which she is not a legal citizen.

Correct. I refuse to acknowledge that. And I have trouble understanding the mindset of those who do acknowledge it. I know Ron Paul doesn't. Nobody has jurisdiction over my latitude and longitude, nor yours. You can keep me out of your private property, but beyond that, you have no jurisdiction, nor does anyone else.

 

[Butchie]

Free citizens do not have the right to impose lifestyle constraints on other free citizens.

Why should I care what skills somebody has if they come to some place near me? Does their lack of skill affect me somehow?

And when you keep bringing up words like "culture" and "assimilate" you are making it about race.

And your whole post is confusing. What's "these constraints are not imposed by the government" mean? We're talking about deporting someone. That's the government.

Yes, they do, I can't tell you not to smoke, but I can tell you not to blow it in my face. This fairytale notion some of you have of "freedom" is silly. Every society has to come up with some set of laws and some manner of enforcing those laws, it will never please everyone, but that is life.

Tell you what, how about you, and those who are like minded, pool your money, buy some property and start your "free" community, I promise whether your society sinks or swims I will in no way interfer so long as what you do remains on your property. I would love to see if your system of open borders and no force will last a week.

 

[erowe1]

YES, free citizens, such as parents, have the moral responsibility to raise children that are going to be inheriting the responsibility of preserving liberty, responsibility, and free markets. Parents have the DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO provide guidance, constraints, and thresholds in which their children live and operate. Stop with the over generalizations and race baiting. Race is not tied to culture, as anyone can come here, learn english, read american newspapers, play american sports, and assimilate into our society. Culture involves becoming an advanced communicator in english, and learning how to spread ideas through this mechanism. You're really embarrassing yourself.

You mentioned more than just language earlier. But whether language or culture, I have the right to speak the language I want and conform to the cultural norms I want, and it's none of the federal government's business.

 

[No Free Beer]

Correct. I refuse to acknowledge that. And I have trouble understanding the mindset of those who do acknowledge it. I know Ron Paul doesn't. Nobody has jurisdiction over my latitude and longitude, nor yours. You can keep me out of your private property, but beyond that, you have no jurisdiction, nor does anyone else.

^^^ blind Ron Paul supporter.

 

[The Binghamton Patriot]

Correct. I refuse to acknowledge that. And I have trouble understanding the mindset of those who do acknowledge it. I know Ron Paul doesn't. Nobody has jurisdiction over my latitude and longitude, nor yours. You can keep me out of your private property, but beyond that, you have no jurisdiction, nor does anyone else.

you if misguided if you think ron paul doesn't believe in borders. He sure as hell doesn't advocate the type of transnationalism for which you are publicly advocating on a forum in his name. Ron is about as anti-nwo as you're going to find.

 

[erowe1]

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Tell you what, how about you, and those who are like minded, pool your money, buy some property and start your "free" community,

I've already done that. Now explain to me how it's any of the US federal government's business is someone I allow onto this property is one of their legal citizens or not.

 

[No Free Beer]

You mentioned more than just language earlier. But whether language or culture, I have the right to speak the language I want and conform to the cultural norms I want, and it's none of the federal government's business.

Ask Switzerland how that's working.

 

[erowe1]

you if misguided if you think ron paul doesn't believe in borders. He sure as hell doesn't advocate the type of transnationalism for which you are publicly advocating on a forum in his name. Ron is about as anti-nwo as you're going to find.

Don't change the subject.

 

[No Free Beer]

I've already done that. Now explain to me how it's any of the US federal government's business is someone I allow onto this property is one of their legal citizens or not.

You don't seem to understand the definition of "nation"

 

[erowe1]

Ask Switzerland how that's working.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Do you mean that you really think it is the federal government's business what language I speak and what cultural norms I follow?

 

[erowe1]

You don't seem to understand the definition of "nation"

Maybe I just don't accept your definition. What, you can define a word and from that you have the authority to extrapolate an ethical system?

The only kind of a nation I can support is a republic. That is clearly not what you support, otherwise you would agree with what I said about my property.

 

[No Free Beer]

He never does.

I never do? I suggest you read the rest of the thread. Or can't you?