Should this be a law?

[ChooseLiberty]

First question - why won't they ship to those addresses? I'm guessing credit card fraud. Maybe not all service members are on the up and up? Not saying you. Maybe if Congress passed a law indemnifying all merchants for any credit card fraud conducted when shipping to military addresses as sort of a military benefit.

Second question - isn't forcing merchants to ship there EXACTLY diametrically opposed to the free market principles?

You do know some merchants will not ship to certain countries, right?

 

[Thunderbolt]

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[jmarinara]

This is my point: They want my business, they just don't want to take my address. It's the only one I got though.

Many of them just don't want to hire the techie-kid that can come in and update their system to handle those addresses in like 2 hours.

Sounds like a lazy management problem to me, NOT a problem with law.

 

[foofighter20x]

Maybe you didn't notice, but I'm NOT in the U.S.

I'm in Australia. Were I in the U.S., this would NOT be a problem, as I'd have a State address to which they would ship.

Being that I'm overseas, I only have an APO address.

Now, what's your solution?

 

[foofighter20x]

Did you ever ask why they won't send a package to those addresses? Does it occur to you that it might be an expense they cannot face? Perhaps things that go to those addresses routinely end up broken because the packages are not taken care of properly. Does it matter to you that they might lose money sending you stuff?

Nope. To hell with them right. This is all about YOU. What You want. So you want to use the force of government to stick a gun in these people's face so that you can be happy?

B.S.

Broken merchandise is a cost of doing business and entirely tax deductable. If it gets broken, then they write it off and they don't lose a single penny.

Good job at not knowing business law. Thanks for playing.

 

[constituent]

not everyone that sells online does it as a business..

good job at knowing reality. thanks for playing.

why are you here again?

 

[constituent]

Thunderbolt said

So you want to use the force of government to stick a gun in these people's face so that you can be happy?


of course thunderbolt... that's his life's goal, his greatest ambition, the means by which his career will advance. par for the course. this man is part of the biggest murder machine ever assembled on the face of the earth.

 

[constituent]

foo... what city in australia?

 

[foofighter20x]

First question - why won't they ship to those addresses? I'm guessing credit card fraud. Maybe not all service members are on the up and up? Not saying you. Maybe if Congress passed a law indemnifying all merchants for any credit card fraud conducted when shipping to military addresses as sort of a military benefit.

Second question - isn't forcing merchants to ship there EXACTLY diametrically opposed to the free market principles?

You do know some merchants will not ship to certain countries, right?

1) Merchants that aren't paid on a credit account should already have the member's social security number. They simply have to notify the member's commander that the member is not fulfilling their financial obligations, which in the military is a crime. The commander can then use garnishment of the member's pay to meet the debt obligation.

If the merchant gets defrauded, the military has the necessary tools to get the merchant their rightful money. Oh, and the defaulting dirt-bag gets kicked out of the military, too. Everyone wins.

2) When you word the question that way, yep. But, we've given the power to Congress to make such a law. The only way to stop them is to either repeal that power or to elect leaders that won't make such a law to begin with, even if they still hold the power to make such a law.

 

[constituent]

Broken merchandise is a cost of doing business and entirely tax deductable. If it gets broken, then they write it off and they don't lose a single penny.
spoke foo.

yea, but it is a pain in their ass... and what about the money they had to refund you (and the return they could have earned on it), and the cost of both the shipping and the merchandise that they are out in the meanwhile, and the lost cost of actually turning a profit on that unit... oh yea, and their labor and missed opportunity costs.

good job at knowing business. but why would you need to, when you're close enough to the pigs teet to suckle right off for the rest of your life f* it.

 

[constituent]

foo... we haven't given them (congress) the power to force interstate trade transactions, only to regulate them if they occur.

i swear, you'll be the death of this place.

 

[foofighter20x]

foo... what city in australia?

One you've never heard of. Trust me.

Exmouth, Western Australia. I'm up to my eyebrows in Outback. The town I live in only has like 3K people.

Mail only goes out twice a week. It's tiny.

 

[foofighter20x]

foo... we haven't given them (congress) the power to force interstate trade transactions, only to regulate them if they occur.

We gave them power to make laws necessary and proper to faciliating the raising and support of an army.

So, since this involves the military, they have the power to do it.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

The reason I ask this question: I go to buy something online and the businesses won't take my APO/FPO address as a billing address. They still wish to do business with me, they just refuse to accept my APO billing address.

How the hell am I supposed to have an address other than where I get my mail? Do I just make one up? Sheesh.

To be honest, I think this is something Congress is entirely within it's power to do... I'd see such a law a provision to maintain an army, and necessary and proper, etc., etc....

We're not even supposed to have a standing army.. and when we do appropriate money for one its only supposed to be for 2 years.

 

[constituent]

i doubt your amazon order has much to do w/ congress raising and supporting an army.

that argument is the most rediculous thing i've heard from you in hours.

::edit, minutes::

 

[constituent]

town of 3k huh?

how've your efforts been coming along w/ that meetup group you were starting?

 

[foofighter20x]

yea, but it is a pain in their ass... and what about the money they had to refund you (and the return they could have earned on it), and the cost of both the shipping and the merchandise that they are out in the meanwhile, and the lost cost of actually turning a profit on that unit... oh yea, and their labor and missed opportunity costs.

good job at knowing business. but why would you need to, when you're close enough to the pigs teet to suckle right off for the rest of your life f* it.

Yep, running is a business is a pain inthe ass. What's new?

They are only required to refund you for the cost of the merchandise, not the cost of the shipping. That's the price the consumer pays for shopping by mail.

Again, they didn't lose a penny. Me? If it breaks and I send it back, I'm out $10 for shipping both ways. That's the risk I take.

The lost cost of yadda yadda yadda can all be factored into the cost of doing business. Again, that is completely tax deductable. They don't lose a penny.

You lose@ debating business and tax law.

 

[constituent]

don't think so.

because again, they have and should have and will have the right to refuse to do business with you [.] end of story.

and now that both of your premises for why Congress has the power (interstate commerce/international commerce, and military), what is your basis for believing such a law-as that which you propose-would be constitutional... i've forgotten, refresh my memory on that one. not that the constitution matters, after all you swore to uphold it... now look at you, in the outback part of a standing army and you haven't even protected the constitution from any of its foreign or domestic enemies (in other words, your commanding officers). by your own standards you should be expelled from the military.

who do we write to so that we can complain about all the military people's failure to uphold their oath?

oh yea, and what the hell that has to do w/ ron paul's message of freedom?