Should the Revolutionary War have been fought?

[tmosley]

I was referring to their style of dress.

Good thing. It's hard to read sarcasm on the internet, unless you make it obvious.

 

[Optatron]

Tell that to the next thug that robs and murders you.

Violence solves tyranny of many types. It need only be used in self defense.

who gets to decide what's tyranny and self defense?

 

[Optatron]

"At least we have peace..."

yeah, show some APPRECIATION

 

[Young Paleocon]

YouTube - America's Two Just Wars (1 of 5) Murray N Rothbard

 

[Mini-Me]

who gets to decide what's tyranny and self defense?

...probably the same people who get to decide whether Mars is red or blue.

 

[revolutionisnow]

No. They should have all just wrote about their complaints in their vlogs and forums. (diaries/town halls)

 

[Steeleye]

yeah, show some APPRECIATION

"Why, yessir, Massa. We's greatly aprreciatin' dem table scraps. And much obliged fo' da beatins.

 

[RevolutionSD]

Did you think of that all by yourself, or do you have some academic evidence for that statement?



The colonists were not slaves. They were far freer than we are today. At least, the white males were. But as the OP states, the Constitution just legitimized that discrimination.

The genocides of the Native Americans are inexcusable. I agree with Lew Rockwell. Fuck that genocidal "revolution." We would be far better off today if we had remained monarchic colonies.

Ditto what Brassmouth said.

Violence is NEVER the answer, and look what the American Revolution eventually got us- tyranny FAR worse than what they had in the colonies, and even more apathy among people. Oh yeah, but we got taxation WITH representation. Woohoo!

 

[Optatron]

The genocides of the Native Americans are inexcusable. I agree with Lew Rockwell. Fuck that genocidal "revolution." We would be far better off today if we had remained monarchic colonies.

Lew Rockwell believes we should've submitted to King George?

 

[Cowlesy]

BTW, tmosley, I think Optatron was being sarcastic when he said violence never solves anything, because judging by his other posts, he seems to have less of a problem with violence than just about anyone else on this board. I mean, it's hard to tell sometimes, because he tends to be sarcastic in almost every single post, but...along with another recent poster (I forget who...), some of his posts make me think he might be Josh_LA reincarnated.

Wow -- you might be onto something there.

 

[Optatron]

Ditto what Brassmouth said.

Violence is NEVER the answer, and look what the American Revolution eventually got us- tyranny FAR worse than what they had in the colonies, and even more apathy among people. Oh yeah, but we got taxation WITH representation. Woohoo!

eventually?

took them long enough!

 

[tmosley]

Ditto what Brassmouth said.

Violence is NEVER the answer, and look what the American Revolution eventually got us- tyranny FAR worse than what they had in the colonies, and even more apathy among people. Oh yeah, but we got taxation WITH representation. Woohoo!

Right, so it's never worth it to fight for something better, since it will all just become worse eventually. Why bother getting up? You'll just have to go back to bed again. Why bother eating? You'll just get hungry again.

The problem with fighting for your freedom is that it causes apathy, therefore don't fight, but just be apathetic?

There's a lot of dumb in this thread.

 

[Agent CSL]

Let me enlighten you for a moment. There will never be a perfect system. It is the law of nature and the nature of humanity that pushes and turns a wheel of time. There are some who wish to be left alone, to be left to make their own life; and there will always be those who want to enforce their own views upon others under the guise of protecting or saving them. Over a period of time the balance shifts and there will be more of one kind. Right now, we are seeing a country where over 60% (based on congress) of the population chooses peace through apathy and dependence on a system which hates them. Given time, the balance will shift back after those who chose apathy say "hey, wait a minute" and finally find the courage to take back what they are losing.

The American Revolution was absolutely necessary, as are many revolutions. The American Revolution turned violent because the King chose to send armies to confiscate guns, food and shelter from colonists. This on top of heavy taxes from an infant economy. The English government wouldn't listen so they did the final thing they could and fight.

Who knows what might have been if everyone had just laid there like a dead fish flopping around. But are you willing to take that chance? When an individual realizes they can take advantage of a situation, they will. The same goes for businesses and governments. You always need to lay your boundaries and your foundation for your own freedom, and if anyone steps over these boundaries and will not listen to logic, it's time to protect yourself in self defense.

There will never be utopia or true freedom, but we can at least attempt to get close to it. It is noble to fight for your right to exist the way you see yourself existing. The early Americans examined this and chose their path to freedom.

 

[ScoutsHonor]

Let me enlighten you for a moment. There will never be a perfect system. It is the law of nature and the nature of humanity that pushes and turns a wheel of time. There are some who wish to be left alone, to be left to make their own life; and there will always be those who want to enforce their own views upon others under the guise of protecting or saving them. Over a period of time the balance shifts and there will be more of one kind. Right now, we are seeing a country where over 60% (based on congress) of the population chooses peace through apathy and dependence on a system which hates them. Given time, the balance will shift back after those who chose apathy say "hey, wait a minute" and finally find the courage to take back what they are losing.

The American Revolution was absolutely necessary, as are many revolutions. The American Revolution turned violent because the King chose to send armies to confiscate guns, food and shelter from colonists. This on top of heavy taxes from an infant economy. The English government wouldn't listen so they did the final thing they could and fight.

Who knows what might have been if everyone had just laid there like a dead fish flopping around. But are you willing to take that chance? When an individual realizes they can take advantage of a situation, they will. The same goes for businesses and governments. You always need to lay your boundaries and your foundation for your own freedom, and if anyone steps over these boundaries and will not listen to logic, it's time to protect yourself in self defense.

There will never be utopia or true freedom, but we can at least attempt to get close to it. It is noble to fight for your right to exist the way you see yourself existing. The early Americans examined this and chose their path to freedom.

This really says it all.

 

[ChaosControl]

Absolutely. Sure bad things happened during it as they do during all wars but the overall cause was a just one. Likewise a modern American Revolution would be just as well. Now, if we can achieve freedom without a war that is obviously ideal, but that doesn't mean that a war is unjust as a last resort.

 

[Aurelia]

The thing is, these people were volunteers dying for their own land. Who is somebody else to tell them that this is wrong? This isn't the damn Iraq war we are talking about. Yes, lots of lives were lost, but if somebody wanted to avoid fighting it wasn't like they couldn't disappear. This would have had social consequences (maybe), but the point remains. There was always Mexico, there were no ID cards, etc.

It's also not only Britain we're talking about--it also indirectly caused the fall of the Spanish empire. Most of the Latin American revolutions then started around 1810 and eventually all crumbled. Not to mention the colonies in the Caribbean. This revolution was the start of it all and laid the foundation for good government.

How is it possible that these people are saying it never should of happened, oh gods of capitalism and self-interest? I think it goes to show that everybody says stupid things sometimes, even if they are generally smart people.

 

[ScoutsHonor]

Absolutely. Sure bad things happened during it as they do during all wars but the overall cause was a just one. Likewise a modern American Revolution would be just as well. Now, if we can achieve freedom without a war that is obviously ideal, but that doesn't mean that a war is unjust as a last resort.

Agree completely. No way I can view our founding fathers with anything but the
greatest admiration. (especially Thomas Jefferson )