Should the government force mothers to look at their children before aborting them?

[AutoDas]

It's a parasite.

 

[Monolithic]

It's a parasite.

yes, this.

fetus' basically fit the definition of a parasite.

 

[The_Orlonater]

"No reason to kill them." That is insane. I suppose that means if someone has a reason, it is perfectly fine and we shouldn't punish it.

If the mother's life is at risk, abortion is okay, the disease that causes that is 1/100,000 pregnancies anyway, it's not like they could all of the sudden claim everyone is going to die if they don't have their baby murdered.

As for any other case, there is another A-word: adoption. If you don't want it, adopt it out, there are plenty of people who will take it. If we enact our other policies that have to do with the economy, that would also help to fill the adoption roles.

What if there's a detection that the baby will have a mental disorder like down syndrome? Why keep the poor kid alive, families with kids like that suffer too. Just, peacefully abort it. Besides, from what I've heard. Giving birth wears you down. People should have the right to abort.

 

[trey4sports]

i could give two shits whether its alive or not,
ur not takin my tax dollars to shame someone into aborting an abortion

 

[nate895]

It's a parasite.

This where I wonder how long the human race has to live, or any intelligent being for that matter. All human instinct says "have as many children as I can support," but because we are so "evolved" we think that it is okay to kill off the unborn and dismiss it because it is a "parasite." When society begins to think this way of its young, it has little time before it totally dies off. Sometimes it is best to listen to your most basic instinct. I am sick of turning onto a sitcom on TV, and having it basically totally bash the mere idea of having children, for men to actually grow up, settle down, and have children, or for women to actually be a mother to their child. It is somehow a burden, not a great joy which all should welcome.

 

[The_Orlonater]

No one is advocating the abortion of every baby. I'm just saying that sometimes an abortion could be necessary.

 

[nate895]

No one is advocating the abortion of every baby. I'm just saying that sometimes an abortion could be necessary.

I am saying that abortion is never necessary and all children should be welcomed, and since this is a human life, the government should forbid the practice for it is murder. It is a shame that while a million babies a year die for no good reason, there are people out there looking for children they can't have due to some medical reason, and they can't find one because someone couldn't stand the consequences of their actions.

 

[AutoDas]

This where I wonder how long the human race has to live, or any intelligent being for that matter. All human instinct says "have as many children as I can support," but because we are so "evolved" we think that it is okay to kill off the unborn and dismiss it because it is a "parasite." When society begins to think this way of its young, it has little time before it totally dies off. Sometimes it is best to listen to your most basic instinct. I am sick of turning onto a sitcom on TV, and having it basically totally bash the mere idea of having children, for men to actually grow up, settle down, and have children, or for women to actually be a mother to their child. It is somehow a burden, not a great joy which all should welcome.

Stop being so melodramatic. Get a dictionary and look it up. Better yet, I'll save the trouble of book-learnin.

noun
"an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment."

 

[The_Orlonater]

I am saying that abortion is never necessary and all children should be welcomed, and since this is a human life, the government should forbid the practice for it is murder. It is a shame that while a million babies a year die for no good reason, there are people out there looking for children they can't have due to some medical reason, and they can't find one because someone couldn't stand the consequences of their actions.

Oh freaking please. There a tons of situations on where an abortion could be necessary. It's not a life when the sperm hits the egg. If it is then, we should outlaw masturbating. Think of all the possible amounts of babies could be born if that sperm went somewhere!

 

[nate895]

Stop being so melodramatic. Get a dictionary and look it up. Better yet, I'll save the trouble of book-learnin.

noun
"an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment."

It actually doesn't fit the definition. A fetus is not of another species.

 

[nate895]

Oh freaking please. There a tons of situations on where an abortion could be necessary. It's not a life when the sperm hits the egg. If it is then, we should outlaw masturbating. Think of all the possible amounts of babies could be born if that sperm went somewhere!

There is a humongous difference between sperm, and when the sperm hits the egg and eventually becomes a zygote. I propose abortion to be against the law once it hits the stage of zygote, unless of course the body performs the abortion, which happens often when the zygote is terribly deformed, to the point it isn't even a human anyway.

 

[Danke]

From the Free Turkey:

Should the government force mothers to look at their children before aborting them?

Wise words from The One:

Clutter it [yongrel's blog] up with a bunch of pictures of choo-choo trains.

 

[yongrel]

Instead of arguing ideologically, let's think about abortion pragmatically.

What would happen if we outlawed abortion tomorrow?

I think you'll find that the consequences are even less desirable.

 

[nate895]

Instead of arguing ideologically, let's think about abortion pragmatically.

What would happen if we outlawed abortion tomorrow?

I think you'll find that the consequences are even less desirable.

Oh yes, the "but all those mother will die because they participated in back alley abortions" argument. I don't care if they die. They deserve what happens to them if they are looking to kill their child.

 

[americana]

Stop being so melodramatic. Get a dictionary and look it up. Better yet, I'll save the trouble of book-learnin.

noun
"an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment."

It is a human, not a parasite. It is the same species. If you don't believe me, do the karyotype (check the dna). The fetus is a human species at very early stages of development. We are all on a continual developmental process. Why should the govt be allowed to define at what stage of development a person can be killed and no charges be brought against the killer? Again look at crimes where a person is hit by a car and their unborn child dies. The criminal is prosecuted for killing the child. Should that not be a crime??

And a sperm is not a human. No amount of development by itself will yield a human, ever. It only has half the dna that a human species has.

 

[yongrel]

Oh yes, the "but all those mother will die because they participated in back alley abortions" argument. I don't care if they die. They deserve what happens to them if they are looking to kill their child.

My point is that simply outlawing abortion doesn't solve any problems and creates a lot more.

If abortions were outlawed tomorrow, abortions would still take place, likely with near the same frequency as today. The difference? They'd be less safe, more women would die, and valuable doctors would be treated as criminals. Look at what happened with Portugal back when they outlawed abortion. It's not a good situation.

Instead of using the government to back up your position with force, try educating people. Did you read what I wrote in the original post on my website? The responsibility of the pro-life movement is to truly be pro-life, and not just an angry bunch of people praising the deaths of mothers seeking an abortion.

 

[AutoDas]

I've been so wrong onthis whole liberty thing. People owning themselves? What nonsense!

 

[americana]

I've been so wrong onthis whole liberty thing. People owning themselves? What nonsense!

But it is not just your body that you are affecting. It is another human that you are exterminating. Where are his/her rights?

 

[AutoDas]

What rights are you talking about? Prove these rights.

 

[nate895]

My point is that simply outlawing abortion doesn't solve any problems and creates a lot more.

If abortions were outlawed tomorrow, abortions would still take place, likely with near the same frequency as today. The difference? They'd be less safe, more women would die, and valuable doctors would be treated as criminals. Look at what happened with Portugal back when they outlawed abortion. It's not a good situation.

Instead of using the government to back up your position with force, try educating people. Did you read what I wrote in the original post on my website? The responsibility of the pro-life movement is to truly be pro-life, and not just an angry bunch of people praising the deaths of mothers seeking an abortion.

I am not in favor of the bill they were trying to pass. I am only in favor of an outright ban on abortion, at least at the state level. This issue is the state's jurisdiction, not the Supreme Court's.

I doubt abortion could possibly stay at the same levels if it was prohibited. It is murder, not doing drugs. By that logic, we should legalize murder to find safer, cleaner ways of doing the job, since murder would stay at the same levels anyway. The way to prevent the murder of innocent children is to have them go through the same health class that they are forced to go through, with more emphasis on fetal development. Whenever we have the day at my HS in health class where they go over the stages of fetal development, you will always see a class that is totally pro-life, even if only for 5 minutes until they stop thinking about it. Banning the practice and recognizing the fetus as a life will reinforce this lesson.