Should the GOP be forgiven for excluding Ron Paul ?

aravoth said:
they can either beg for Ron Paul's forgiveness, tell every one of his supporters that they are sorry, swallow their pride, and adopt Ron Paul's platform, or, we can continue this vote splitting bullshit to it's final stupidity.

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You forgot "bend over, stick their heads between their legs, and kiss their own ass." (BRAVEHEART QUOTE FTW)
 
Well, I wrote in Dr Paul's name this last election, and was a registered "non-affiliate" at that time.

After looking at that ridiculous "Rebuild the Party" web site, I decided to re-register as a Republican.

Yes, there are still plenty of endless war/corporate welfare/"what's-the-Constitution?" die-hards, but the Ron Paul supporters are obviously still making their voices heard, and drowning out the other folks.

The bitter irony is that their stated objective with the site is to accomplish everything that Dr Paul's campaign already accomplished this season: appeal to young voters, build a grassroots base, better web activism, etc.

Unfortunately, they still seem to think they can accomplish this without actually adhering to a traditional, Constitutional conservative platform. I got news for 'em: Obama didn't just win because of the internet. Ideas matter. Dr Paul was the only candidate who could've beat Obama.

Anyhow, the GOP as a demographic keeps getting older; if all us young rebellious Paulsters get in line now, we will eventually take the party...and I was one of the most vocal "I'll never register with a major party, it's third-party or independent all the way, et al" upstarts. The bottom line is your affiliation just shouldn't matter, including if you ARE registered with a major party. We can change that by focusing on ideas instead of labels.
 
Seems like an awful collective thread. I have been Republican all my life, a California delegate for RP, Campaigned for RP, but If people want to collectively bash me I say it is you people that need to go to hell.
 
HOLLYWOOD said:
The House GOP party just excluded him out of the SECRET MEETING in VA to select the new republicans for the house. The GOP/RNC went as far to even keep the meeting secret.
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Of course they did. That should not have been a surprise to anyone. Those at the top are the asshats we're trying to get tossed out.
 
JohnJay said:
Just like that - we should just forgive the neo-cons and war-mongers
who cut us off at caucuses and county and state conventions -
as well as at the national convention ?

By excluding the US Constitution from their principles - so then
shall the GOP expect the people to exclude the Republican Party from office forever.
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It has nothing to do with forgiving them. It has to do with achieving our goal. To do that, we need to take over one of the major parties, since it is only they who are allowed in the debates. Since the GOP at one time, was the party of small government and they are weak right now, it makes sense that we target them.

We can sit here and have temper tantrums about how badly they treated us, OR WE BECOME THE PARTY. The neoconservatives walked in and took over the party and we can help them walk on out. There has never been a time as good as this one to take over the party from the ground floor on up. If we do that, WE WILL BE THE LEADERS. Or, we can sit here on our asses and belly ache about how terrible it all is.

The choice is ours.
 
I deal with a LOT of grassroots republicans and to be honest the ONLY beef they have with Ron Paul is they think he is an isolationist. That is the answer I get every time. These folks have been so brainwashed by Fox news that the muslims are the boogyman...they can't even think rationally. They are GOOD hearted patriots..they are not neo cons...they don't even know what a neo con is! They , themselves, don't understand the term. The Neo con "intellectuals' at the TOP of the party are who we need to get rid of...they are the neo cons...the grassroots are Constitution loving, patriotic, Founding Father loving.traditional good folks. It is up to us to defend THEM from the asshats at the top who have taken over the GOP by GEntly reminding them about the constitution ..and how the bastards at the top of government are taking us down the path to tyranny. We can Do this. They think Ron Paul is a kook because oreilly and hannity said so. how do we get thier noses out of Fox news??? Tones
 
I have to add...in the larger cities, such as Tampa, miami and orlando...those GOP leaders are ALSO asshats...they are crooked! We have to get the majority of the grassroots who are active on our side..work from the bottom incognito. i guess we will probably have to not mention Ron Paul...but continue to talk about his principles...because as soon as those party leaders hear his name...we'll be out of there. We will have to fly UNDER the radar and take the Ron Paul bumper stickers off the car etc..but still preach the Ron Paul doctirne. Hate it, but to win , it has to be done. Tones
 
tonesforjonesbones said:
I deal with a LOT of grassroots republicans and to be honest the ONLY beef they have with Ron Paul is they think he is an isolationist. That is the answer I get every time. These folks have been so brainwashed by Fox news that the muslims are the boogyman...they can't even think rationally. They are GOOD hearted patriots..they are not neo cons...they don't even know what a neo con is! They , themselves, don't understand the term. The Neo con "intellectuals' at the TOP of the party are who we need to get rid of...they are the neo cons...the grassroots are Constitution loving, patriotic, Founding Father loving.traditional good folks. It is up to us to defend THEM from the asshats at the top who have taken over the GOP by GEntly reminding them about the constitution ..and how the bastards at the top of government are taking us down the path to tyranny. We can Do this. They think Ron Paul is a kook because oreilly and hannity said so. how do we get thier noses out of Fox news??? Tones
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I agree with this, and have had the same experience. Tones.
 
LibertyEagle said:
It has nothing to do with forgiving them. It has to do with achieving our goal. To do that, we need to take over one of the major parties, since it is only they who are allowed in the debates. Since the GOP at one time, was the party of small government and they are weak right now, it makes sense that we target them.

We can sit here and have temper tantrums about how badly they treated us, OR WE BECOME THE PARTY. The neoconservatives walked in and took over the party and we can help them walk on out. There has never been a time as good as this one to take over the party from the ground floor on up. If we do that, WE WILL BE THE LEADERS. Or, we can sit here on our asses and belly ache about how terrible it all is.

The choice is ours.
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Forgiving them in the sense that we just turn our heads at what was done,
and then turn around and go right back in giving them our input and begging to be part of the Republican Party.

That is what the Republican Liberty Caucus tries - to be a wing of and still part of the GOP.
Maybe that is not the best idea, after the lessons learned over the past 18 months.
No temper tantrums, but derfinitely giving up on fruitlessly trying to become the Republican Party.

I don't think the neo-cons will retreat from their takeover of the Republican Party -
they are so hell-bent on excluding youth and energy, they should be the ones to just die off a slow
- if not a quick - death, it may be wasted energy to try to revive the Grand Old Party and better to just start fresh anew.

Call it the Ron Paul Party for all I care . . .
built on constitutionalist, libertarian, and true republican principles like non-interventionism.
GOP goons abused the term isolationist to describe us as well - we're quite the opposite really
as the term isolationist refers to trade policy.

"When goods don't cross borders, soldiers will." ~Fredric Bastiat, French economist/philosopher
 
The principles that are MOST important at this time are Limited government, Constitution, Sound Money, Free Markets, non interventionism, The Fed/iRs. i would forget the small stuff until we can get the GOP back to these basic principles.

Please forget these:
gay marriage
atheism
hate for Christians
Legalizing drugs (some might be ok with the medical marijuana issue)
gambling
prostitution
The addictions.
That will not fly and if you push these things withing the gop ...eh..out the door you'll go. Tones
 
Political re-alignments don't happen overnight...the GOP is long overdue for one and their wake-up call came less than one week ago, on November 4. Just because the Liberty Caucus didn't accomplish all its goals in one season is no reason to take our marbles and go home.
 
i, personally, am DONE tip-toeing around the GOP... my wife and i were elected (with 2 votes each, mind you...) to the County Republican Committee... went to a couple of meetings and these people are far too stuck in their ways to change (at least in our area) i can no longer "go along" as a means to an end... i think being something you are not to try and get these people to "see the light" is just as bad, if not worse, then some of the shit they do in the name of "furthering" their agenda...

so, no, forgiveness for these people is not in my heart... they make me sick.
 
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